Yet a top player who uses it frequently has no exceptional use for traditional english.
If people claim to be 'Instructors' they should teach proper fundamentals! All this BS is not one of them.
If a traditional fundamental slows a player down, a good teacher either helps them over the hump or gives them an alternative. I sometimes do one, sometimes the other.
Let me tell you how my world works. I'm far from a pro, but play pretty sporty. So maybe there's something to be considered.
You go down on the shot as if you're shooting center ball every time? That seems strange for a higher level player. If I'm reading this right, then you are doing what I thought you were arguing against in the thread -- changing your angle of delivery in relationship to your body on every shot.
I want to say yes, but the odds are that on shots I know will have a heavy english requirement I start off somewhat off center. That said, those circumstances are nearly always a recovery type situation. Typically I play patterns that focus on natural carom angles so any additional english is minor. No more than a tip, (11.6mm) ...generally speaking
Nope... I don't know the amount of english that will be required until I have gotten down on the shot. I need to know the exact carom angle to determine it, and don't know that until I have fine tuned my aim line. Can't fine tune my aim line until I have my hand planted.
I'll agree that you can make a coarse approximation while standing. "Modern" doesn't necessarily equate to "good" though...
...and I believe the majority of players that make these tiny adjustments do so unwittingly and when doing so successfully for a period of time, consider it "the zone".100%.... I just coin it the "aim line" merely because I extend it to be in relationship with the OB and use it's length to verify that I'm cueing straightly.
We agree again... ...and why swooping is a fool's errand imo.
Man you're on fire today
Again (as if you’ll ever understand), stroking diagonally is adjusting for squirt/swerve. No “also” needed.
It’s the only “answer” your hilarious, nonsensical posts deserve. Pity the player who falls for them.
Uh-huh, there's nothing to add regarding your cue's pivot point, your bridge length, etc.
I'm surprised that you aren't able to "feel" or "see" a very close approximation of how much english you need before getting down on the ball. I thought this was exactly what we're supposed to be doing while looking at the shot from above. My view is -- it's much easier to identify the shotline while standing 10 feet behind the cue ball then it is with my face planted directly behind it. So I don't need to be down on the ball to understand how much english is needed. I can give a very close approximation of how much english OTHER players need before they shoot, even if watching on video. Figuring out "about" how much I need while standing is a breeze.I want to say yes, but the odds are that on shots I know will have a heavy english requirement I start off somewhat off center. That said, those circumstances are nearly always a recovery type situation. Typically I play patterns that focus on natural carom angles so any additional english is minor. No more than a tip, (11.6mm) ...generally speaking
I do change my angle of delivery but not in relationship to my body. I keep my bridge hand planted and pivot my entire upper body if required. For tiny adjustments, I'll tweak my bridge by rolling my hand (planted fingers, sliding heel) and slide my thumb up/down my finger. Keep in mind I'm an open bridge player. I know the pivoting of my entire upper body seems excessive, but it keeps my mechanics solid. I maintain 4 points of contact with my cue at all times, (bridge, chin, chest, grip).
My method is more closely related to BHE, but with the massive caveat that I don't alter my mechanics or have any horizontal wrist movement.
Nope... I don't know the amount of english that will be required until I have gotten down on the shot. I need to know the exact carom angle to determine it, and don't know that until I have fine tuned my aim line. Can't fine tune my aim line until I have my hand planted.
I'll agree that you can make a coarse approximation while standing. "Modern" doesn't necessarily equate to "good" though...
Who says I can't...
I can guess just as well as anyone else. I just don't know what it WILL be until I'm down on the shot.Well there is a concept that as a player you make your decision while standing and just follow that decision without remorse while down.
Just so we don't trip down the rabbit hole of terminology. I consider the "shotline" the path the OB will take to the pocket. The line between the CB and OB is the "aim line". I only mention this so there's no miscommunication and not to be pedantic.
Hard to honestly say without physically walking through the shot. There's also other variables at play which greatly alter the tip placement requirements. CB/OB distance, cloth condition, rail type and condition..., etc. I'm not avoiding, but these other variables change the shot significantly enough to alter tip placement.
Because a video “shows” nothing about how squirt/swerve is compensated for - words and diagrams are our best tools for that - well, for those of us who actually know what we’re talking about.
PJ, I think you're right. No one can ever learn anything from a video, truly that is so.
I get this. I think a more accurate statement would be: You don't know what it will EXACTLY be until you're down on the shot.Who says I can't...
I don't think that's the view of any decent player. I acknowledge everyone makes adjustments. We're just talking about how extreme the adjustments are or should be.
It's not one or the other. You can adjust while up, adjust while down, or a combination of both. My view is it's best to do both but do most of the heavy lifting while standing.
That makes sense.
All true. We aren't even really arguing about anything just walking through your method I suppose. It's possible I could be doing it wrong.
You can't avoid these types of shots while playing high level pool because they are often times the only way to stay on the proper positional line/route. Also, anytime you have an object ball within say -- 6 inches of the pocket, using close to, or even max english may have more benefits than risks. These shots come up rack after rack. You can't just pattern play your way around the demands of english while playing high level 9 ball.
I think you might be surprised at what the alternatives could be. Case in point your half ball, inside 4 railer, can be turned into a 'outside/draw' 2 railer. Wherein the first rail rebound happens just below the side pocket. Again though, this is table condition dependent. I know I can hit that very shot at my local home room. I'd have zero chance of making it 45mins down the highway on some beaten diamonds. However this very type of alternative is an adjustment I saw the elite do at the USopen last year on the 4" pockets.
It's not table conditions dependent AS MUCH AS it is layout of the balls dependent. You don't just get to pick your favored shot all the time. Your proposed replacement shot travels an entirely different path that wouldn’t necessarily be available.
I think you might be surprised at what the alternatives could be. Case in point your half ball, inside 4 railer, can be turned into a 'outside/draw' 2 railer. Wherein the first rail rebound happens just below the side pocket. Again though, this is table condition dependent.
I get sometimes shots aren't always available table to table. Lively rails, small pockets, and fresh cloth all changes the available shots. The biggest of those is fresh cloth. Multi-rail spin shots aren't always available on fresh cloth. That's the one variable I see that changes the patterns of pros. Once the cloth breaks in, they go right back to their typical patterns.
Again -- tons of options if you're shooting one ball. You're lucky if you get two options on a shot while running out a 9 ball rack.
I'm always skeptical of the "low english" crowd. There's just way too many shots where it makes more sense to roll the cue ball with "lots" of english than it does to stun it with a "little" english.
Again, misrepresenting what I said. Seems to be all you got...
You're a brave man.
