BHE vs FHE

SpiderWebComm said:
Then I would hope JV puts as many videos out on YouTube like L'il Chris does to help the world of pool.
Can we pick which facet of pool he could do it on?

Btw, who do you think would win between JV and Stan Shuffett; JV and Landon Shuffett; JV and Tyler Styer.
This is like the hometown hero who can shoot par in golf at the local muni or club and all the regulars thinking he'd
kick ass and take names later against a top national amateur or pro player.
I guess what you've never heard of when there's something REALLY BIG on the line like a bunch of money or national notoriety,
something else kicks in. It's a medical term known as PUCKERING ASSHOLE SYNDROME and TREMORS.
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You seem to be coming down with what is commonly known as the double o syndrome.
Reading and comprehending seems to be a problem.
Many of your replies have no correlation to what was originally stated.
Off on a tangent again........
 
The_JV said:
Hey I'm cool with being wrong. However it takes more then just saying I am ;)

So let me ask you this. If your upper body remains still and you employ BHE. How does your body (to encompass all possible movements) shift the butt end of the cue either left or right..?
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It happens from YOUR butt end. It's a hip pivot. A very, very slight rotation. Put a cue in your hands and do it. You'll see.
 
sparkle84 said:
You seem to be coming down with what is commonly known as the double o syndrome.
Reading and comprehending seems to be a problem.
Many of your replies have no correlation to what was originally stated.
Off on a tangent again........
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I have two suggestions for you...GET LOST or DROP DEAD!
 
SpiderWebComm said:
It happens from YOUR butt end. It's a hip pivot. A very, very slight rotation. Put a cue in your hands and do it. You'll see.
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I pivot at the hip. Lil' Chris pivots his back arm. The video you posted proves that much. Wildly different approaches.

Don't make draw in the arrows to highlight what can be plainly seen
 
The_JV said:
Consider me an eternal optimist.

I know nothing of the Shuffett's games. I've seen Tyler play pretty badly, so there's a remote chance...lol
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Yes, there is a remote chance. It's called a snowballs chance in hell for all names mentioned.
Here's Landon Shuffett a few years ago against Earl Strickland on a 10' table. It was a "close" match. LMAO

 
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straightline said:
Correct. But when a pooler like JV starts equating game to validity of technique that needs to be addressed as such.
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Technique is not exclusive to results. I understand you don't think that's the case, and I certainly wouldn't dismiss your approach if you had some below average rating. However in this day an age. A player's rating is very available and depending on the system, directly comparable to anyone else in the system.

We've also had Spidey suggest the validation of CTE because of exceptional players. I fully agree with him that it does on some level a proof of concept.

If you don't have a rating beyond self assessment, that's fine. If you have one and are choosing to withhold it, that's fine as well. However silence speaks volumes.
 
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Patrick Johnson said:
Look at the pivoted/unpivoted pics above - see the difference in where the cue is next to his chin. I'm sure he can cope, but that's what he has to do.

pj
chgo
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If you're speaking of the pics i posted. Chris is fully pivoted in each direction. I have zero doubt he has learnt to compensate for the varying mechanics BHE produces. My point is that it's unnecessary complication to the learning curve of budding players
 
The_JV said:
Technique is not exclusive to results. I understand you don't think that's the case, and I certainly wouldn't dismiss your approach if you had some below average rating. However in this day an age. A player's rating is very available and depending on the system, directly comparable to anyone else in the system.

We've also had Spidey suggest the validation of CTE because of exceptional players. I fully agree with him that it does on some level a proof of concept.

If you don't have a rating beyond self assessment, that's fine. If you have one and are choosing to withhold it, that's fine as well. However silence speaks volumes.
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Still nonsense peripheral to you trying to win something.
 
straightline said:
Still nonsense peripheral to you trying to win something.
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Not at all... you have a stance. I have mine. I've tried to disclose all I can to substantiate mine. You retort is to claim I'm pulling something nefarious.

That's cool, but please stop pretending that I'm on the weak side of this debate.
 
The_JV said:
If you're speaking of the pics i posted. Chris is fully pivoted in each direction. I have zero doubt he has learnt to compensate for the varying mechanics BHE produces. My point is that it's unnecessary complication to the learning curve of budding players
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If by BHE you mean a non-straight stroke or even a wonky stance, I wholeheartedly agree - although that’s not the definition of BHE that I’m familiar with.

I think of BHE as just how the cue angle is defined (angled through a bridge on the center ball line at the shot’s effective pivot point), not how you get it there. Of course how you get it there should be as simple as possible.

pj
chgo
 
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Patrick Johnson said:
If by BHE you mean a non-straight stroke, I wholeheartedly agree - although that’s not the definition of BHE that I’m familiar with.

BHE in its “standard” (preferred) form is a straight stroke pre-pivoted on a fixed bridge. That’s obviously the most reliable way for any player - being good enough to cope with the added complication of a non-straight stroke doesn’t mean it isn’t still there.

pj
chgo
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By BHE, I mean a stroke that is out of natural alignment with the body in an effort to produce English on a CB.
 
The_JV said:
By BHE, I mean a stroke that is out of natural alignment with the body in an effort to produce English on a CB.
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That's how most people do BHE, and how a lot of instructors teach it. But to me it's counterintuitive when it comes to developing consistent stroke mechanics.

The body/stance and stroke should be in tune with each other every time. So instead of the player simply moving the grip hand in or out from the body to apply BHE, it would be better to slightly move the body/stance to match the english-adjusted stroke line/angle. In other words, keep the body in alignment with the stroke.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Look at the pivoted/unpivoted pics above - see the difference in where the cue is next to his chin. I'm sure he can cope, but that's what he has to do.

pj
chgo
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How about we look at any picture of you with a cue down on a ball at the table instead of the Ghost man who sees all, knows all,
and preaches to all?!
 
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