Big Argument

caponekid

caponekid

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Sorry this is long but I would really appreciate everyones input!

I was playin a guy the other night and we were at 7-7 goin to nine so this rack was to get on the hill. The 2 and 9 ball were close to each other so I asked him to watch the hit, and a friend came over and watched. The friend called it a good hit but my opponent called it a split hit(they hit simultaneously) which he said is bad. I said the benefit of a split goes to the shooter and asked 3 other pool players in the place what the rule is and they agreed. He is not from around here so he said my friends ruling wasnt fair and that he stated the night before when we played that a split is bad. He did say that and I spoke against it but when he insisted I just got down and made sure I made a good hit. I understand his part of the argument but at the same time split hits are good right? Thats what the BCA rules say anyway? I offered to let him rebreak the rack or we could go back to 5-5 but I was not giving him ball in hand. He got mad and quit saying that it was bullshit and if I showed him that rule in a rule book he would believe it and we would finish the set with me up 8-7 or vise versa if I was wrong. When I talked to him today he said hes not gona do it because he asked around and people said he was right and since I didnt correct him the night before about split hits being bad then that was the rule. What am I suppose to do? I should be finishing a $100 set to 9, up 8-7 but instead he is just arguing. We had set up a game at his place for tom night, a head set for $500 -$1000 but I feel like if I let this set go and keep playing him then hes gotten the best of me and that puts me on the ass end of things.
 
caponekid said:
Sorry this is long but I would really appreciate everyones input!

I was playin a guy the other night and we were at 7-7 goin to nine so this rack was to get on the hill. The 2 and 9 ball were close to each other so I asked him to watch the hit, and a friend came over and watched. The friend called it a good hit but my opponent called it a split hit(they hit simultaneously) which he said is bad. I said the benefit of a split goes to the shooter and asked 3 other pool players in the place what the rule is and they agreed. He is not from around here so he said my friends ruling wasnt fair and that he stated the night before when we played that a split is bad. He did say that and I spoke against it but when he insisted I just got down and made sure I made a good hit. I understand his part of the argument but at the same time split hits are good right? Thats what the BCA rules say anyway? I offered to let him rebreak the rack or we could go back to 5-5 but I was not giving him ball in hand. He got mad and quit saying that it was bullshit and if I showed him that rule in a rule book he would believe it and we would finish the set with me up 8-7 or vise versa if I was wrong. When I talked to him today he said hes not gona do it because he asked around and people said he was right and since I didnt correct him the night before about split hits being bad then that was the rule. What am I suppose to do? I should be finishing a $100 set to 9, up 8-7 but instead he is just arguing. We had set up a game at his place for tom night, a head set for $500 -$1000 but I feel like if I let this set go and keep playing him then hes gotten the best of me and that puts me on the ass end of things.
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A split hit is a good hit.

I wouldn't play this guy anymore. Just my opinion.

I would just move on.

BVal
 
It sounds to me like the night before you did not concede the fact that a split hit was bad. You just made sure to make a good good and didn't want to argue about it.
Many time I gave up a set for $100 just to get a bigger set. Here you haven't given up anything and have the opportunity for a bigger set playing so many ahead which is better if you think that you are the better player. Seize the opportunity and don't make the split hit an issue other that setting the rule for it. Split hits goes to the shooter but it can be whatever you two decide. If you play good luck to you.

P.S. Split hits are hard to judge and may be called incorrectly by the observer. Two people may call them different because that's the way they saw it.
 
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Sounds like tough action because that guy doesn't know what he is talking about. I've been down the road where you bend to someone else just for the sake of having some action. It's not worth it. Just look at how he was acting over $100 what is he going to do for 5-10 times more money and with home table advantage. Action might be too tough to really pursue. I'd let it go unless he finishes the first set, that way you kind of get odds on your money for the next set and that would balance what you have to fade playing this guy. Let us know what you end up doing.
 
caponekid said:
Sorry this is long but I would really appreciate everyones input!

I was playin a guy the other night and we were at 7-7 goin to nine so this rack was to get on the hill. The 2 and 9 ball were close to each other so I asked him to watch the hit, and a friend came over and watched. The friend called it a good hit but my opponent called it a split hit(they hit simultaneously) which he said is bad. I said the benefit of a split goes to the shooter and asked 3 other pool players in the place what the rule is and they agreed. He is not from around here so he said my friends ruling wasnt fair and that he stated the night before when we played that a split is bad. He did say that and I spoke against it but when he insisted I just got down and made sure I made a good hit. I understand his part of the argument but at the same time split hits are good right? Thats what the BCA rules say anyway? I offered to let him rebreak the rack or we could go back to 5-5 but I was not giving him ball in hand. He got mad and quit saying that it was bullshit and if I showed him that rule in a rule book he would believe it and we would finish the set with me up 8-7 or vise versa if I was wrong. When I talked to him today he said hes not gona do it because he asked around and people said he was right and since I didnt correct him the night before about split hits being bad then that was the rule. What am I suppose to do? I should be finishing a $100 set to 9, up 8-7 but instead he is just arguing. We had set up a game at his place for tom night, a head set for $500 -$1000 but I feel like if I let this set go and keep playing him then hes gotten the best of me and that puts me on the ass end of things.
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This situation will NOT leave your head. Do not play another with him.
 
He's wrong on two counts: 1) splits go to the shooter & 2) he gave up rights to argue the hit when he agreed to have someone judge it. He escaped the good chance that he was going to pay you off.
 
For one thing if he quit in the middle of the set, he lost the set. I would not want to play sets with such an individual because if he quits, he probability will not pay if he looses, he was trying to get out of the set with out paying. Any decent player will not put such infuses on one bad hit, even if it cost them the set. Most will say I will give you that and if it happens again it goes the other way.
 
mosconiac said:
He's wrong on two counts: 1) splits go to the shooter & 2) he gave up rights to argue the hit when he agreed to have someone judge it. He escaped the good chance that he was going to pay you off.
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Well stated....randyg
 
Sounds like sour grapes and bad action.......these type of players sooner or later run into a player that will set them straight....one way or the other. For those of you talking about rules and etiquette, why? Doesn't come into play in this situation.
 
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caponekid said:
Sorry this is long but I would really appreciate everyones input!

I was playin a guy the other night and we were at 7-7 goin to nine so this rack was to get on the hill. The 2 and 9 ball were close to each other so I asked him to watch the hit, and a friend came over and watched. The friend called it a good hit but my opponent called it a split hit(they hit simultaneously) which he said is bad. I said the benefit of a split goes to the shooter and asked 3 other pool players in the place what the rule is and they agreed. He is not from around here so he said my friends ruling wasnt fair and that he stated the night before when we played that a split is bad. He did say that and I spoke against it but when he insisted I just got down and made sure I made a good hit. I understand his part of the argument but at the same time split hits are good right? Thats what the BCA rules say anyway? I offered to let him rebreak the rack or we could go back to 5-5 but I was not giving him ball in hand. He got mad and quit saying that it was bullshit and if I showed him that rule in a rule book he would believe it and we would finish the set with me up 8-7 or vise versa if I was wrong. When I talked to him today he said hes not gona do it because he asked around and people said he was right and since I didnt correct him the night before about split hits being bad then that was the rule. What am I suppose to do? I should be finishing a $100 set to 9, up 8-7 but instead he is just arguing. We had set up a game at his place for tom night, a head set for $500 -$1000 but I feel like if I let this set go and keep playing him then hes gotten the best of me and that puts me on the ass end of things.
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What do you care if you feel you can win. It is small potatoes. I used to play guys that cheated in every way that could think of. I knew I could win regardless so I let them get away with it. It almost seemed to keep them playing, think they were getting away with something. One guy used to always air game me the last game and say he would pay next time but he never did and I never asked for it. As far as your split hit. I don't think there is such a thing really. It is the responsibility of the shooter to make the shot so it can be called. If he whacks it so it can't be called, it's bad. It is not the problem of the incoming player as far as i am concerned.
 
mosconiac said:
He's wrong on two counts: 1) splits go to the shooter & 2) he gave up rights to argue the hit when he agreed to have someone judge it. He escaped the good chance that he was going to pay you off.
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To the OP: Read this and learn from it. As soon as two players call over another person and agree to let him/her judge the call, that person become the judge, jury, and executioner of the call. End of story. If he had a problem with your friend making the call, he should have spoke up BEFORE the shot.

Regardless, he was wrong about split hits anyway. Print out a copy of the WPA rules and show him, in writing, what it says.
 
Of course I wasn't there, but this sounds to me like a classic move. Choose an incorrect position against your opponent and argue until he is thoroughly pissed off about being right. Then beat him for the cash.

I've seen guys argue about the score...hey, you only won 3 games...you must have moved two beads at once. And on and on the arguement wages. The victim knows he is right, but so does the other guy. He gets a rise out of him then collects the chips.
 
In your post you say you told HIM to watch the hit, if that is what you did I would suggest you change this in future.

If you want to suggest the hit be watched (actually it is his responsibility to request this but sometimes it saves trouble to suggest it yourself) tell him to pick someone to watch the hit, and make sure they know what they are doing.

But you should both understand when he has someone call the hit, what they say goes.

And like the others have said, if he quit you and didnt pay for 100 why would you give him a free roll at 500?
 
I agree with the majority here....

Most have said you were in the right. Seems this guy was looking for a way out of losing. Now you say you have another scheduled match for more money. If you continue to play with this guy, don't come back here and complain about anything more that happens. Bad action is bad action.
 
2 cents worth

Id just let it go and call it. So far niether of you are out any $ you are at a tie. Chaulk it up to a learning exsperiance and let it go.
 
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