Biggest Gambler Busted By Casino

I have often thought that gambling is akin to playing pool. When you're going for that lot-of-green shot in the corner pocket, you take a gamble whether you will make it. Skills comes into play, but one could lay odds on making or not making the shot. Yes, indeed, it's a gamble. Nothing is a sure thing in pool. You could miscue, for goodness sakes.

Money won is sweeter than money earned, they say. Winning big bucks gambling in pool is a high like no other, and it can be quite addictive for some folks. I have had some addictions in my younger life -- smoking cigarettes, as an example -- but I never did acquire the gambling addiction. :p

There's been a buzz on the forum about the recent coin heist debacle with Scooter, et al. Well, coin heists have been going on with pool people since I was a teenager. I remember many a player coming into the pool room with with bags and bags of quarters. It is sometimes difficult to unload the quarters. Casinos have always been a good vehicle to unload coins. Back then, it was mainly soda machines. Today, it's mainly car washes. :embarrassed2:

The phenomenon of that easy money quickly is what attracts some pool peeps into a life of crime, whether it's coin heists or cheating in casino games. It's that lure of quick money, just like gambling in pool, that is the draw. :(

I know one young man in the pool world, who shall remain nameless for purposes of this thread, who was a professional coin heister. He'd travel the country and return home with five figures. He had the method down pat and could do it in the blink of an eye. He also could play a pretty mean game of pool. I'd rate him a strong B player. Best part about it, nobody knew who he was. So when on the road, he also would partake in high-stakes action on a field of green. If he lost, he didn't sweat it because he could go out and make it back in one night in coin heists.:eek:

After getting to know the young man a little, I offered counsel to him, advising him to get out now and start a business. I recognized he was actually extremely, extremely intelligent. Whatever he wanted -- money, women, winning in pool -- he was capable when he applied himself. :cool:

Eventually, car wash owners began to utilize the latest technology to catch anyone robbing their machines. Lady Luck ran out for my friend, and he got caught. Judge let him off with a slap on the wrist, a fine, and probation.

Sometimes young men are thrown into a life of crime because of their environment. His father did a long stint in jail while he was growing up, and his mother commit suicide. I truly believe if given a nurturing upbringing as a child, his intelligence would have taken him through college and he would have been a successful businessman. :smile:

Well, after being busted and put on probation, he couldn't land a job that paid the bills, and soon he was back on the road again, looking for isolated car washes at night. And again, he was caught, but this time, he did a couple years in prison. I liked the kid and felt bad for him, but I was also happy that he realized that he needed to turn the corner and get a normal job. Jail has a way of reforming folks, and in this regard, I had high hopes for this young man. He was talking the right talk, and when he got out, I just knew he'd be walking the walk. Yay!

He never did heist another coin machine, but that fast money, that high one gets when gambling, was too much, so he started selling pot, got caught, and he's now doing 10 years in prison. It's a sad story of a child never realizing his strengths, but it illustrates the gambling addiction and how making "quick money" is sometimes too much for some folks. This, unfortunately, was how he grew up.

Is he a bad guy? Does he deserve to be in prison? I can see both sides of the coin on this one [pun intended].
 
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Anyone who wins 180k off some sucker playing pool is a legit ninja. Way more impressive, imo.

Didn't you act like you were an arms dealer from Russia or something? Did you have to work on your accent?

No accent. I was posing as a billionaire Pennsylvania industrial tycoon.

Beard
 
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I guess I am a little weird. I love to hear how a guy either cheats or beats the casino. I mean the casino business is a license to steal really.

I was wrong years ago as I was one that thought allowing casinos throughout the country verses just in Vegas would be okay. But what I have seen is instead of seeing those communities improve, they decline too. The money is just sucked out of the areas. I thought since I didn't gamble in them and only the stupid ones did, how did it hurt me? What I have learned is stupid people go, drop their money and then when they are broke I have to support them..:rolleyes:

The local casinos also take the money from pool too.

The other thing that amazes me is pool players. They have a talent and win money and then blow it on race tracks and casinos. I heard the rumor that Keith McCready as soon as he was paid for the COM, the next day he blew the money at the track. Pool players who can be so savvy gambling at pool and then become even more stupid at casinos.

One of the arguments against Bonus Ball (yes I said it) is that it is in Vegas. IF it had worked out, most thought the pool players would still be broke from the life in Vegas.

But I also root for the bank robbers in the movies too...:thumbup:

Ken

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Wow...Holy hangers batman' what a post! If the rest of this country wakes up and smells the roses that are telling the truth about uncle sams blind robbery operation this place might be what a free country is about. But that's the real problem, America founders were well aware what the outcome of the banking system would come to someday-oneday and regretted it in their lifetime of what they created.
America is so used to being robbed everyday that we accept the fact that its ok if we have a piece of a chance of getting or winning the money and then some back in one way or another..... But there are people that realize its robbery and use somewhat of the same operation to gain but in a form that uncle sam says is against the laws that they "uncle sam" created.
Then it turns in a nasty swirling cycle of never-more, there's no going back, and i don't see any sunlight ahead.....
Sic and twisted but the truth.....


Rob.M
 
I watched Jimmy Wetch and toby play some high dollar one pocket.

Yes he played pool for big bucks years ago and Toby was one of the biggest benefactors. Toby bought in to the LV Cue Club (for a few years) with some of the $$ won from Archie. Archie wasn't a great pool player but he loved being in action. Those were fun times!

He played pretty sporty.

Sorry to hear about his bad luck.........
 
I actually won 180k and then got stiffed for 800k.

Beard

Excuse my english.. but to get stiffed means "cheated on", elsewhere I thought I read this in the context of a person getting robbed. Did you get robbed or did he cheat and by that allmost won a million? If so: how did he cheat?
 
Excuse my english.. but to get stiffed means "cheated on", elsewhere I thought I read this in the context of a person getting robbed. Did you get robbed or did he cheat and by that allmost won a million? If so: how did he cheat?

If you got "stiffed", you got air barreled.
 
Benny died on Christams day, 1989, his son Jack was the owner when Archie had this run.

Thanks. I knew it was one of them. Same principle I think that the reputation of Binion's was to take on all action no matter how high. Another part of the story was that they had to have chips made in 50k denominations for Archie's action iirc.
 
I have often thought that gambling is akin to playing pool. When you're going for that lot-of-green shot in the corner pocket, you take a gamble whether you will make it. Skills comes into play, but one could lay odds on making or not making the shot. Yes, indeed, it's a gamble. Nothing is a sure thing in pool. You could miscue, for goodness sakes.

Money won is sweeter than money earned, they say. Winning big bucks gambling in pool is a high like no other, and it can be quite addictive for some folks. I have had some addictions in my younger life -- smoking cigarettes, as an example -- but I never did acquire the gambling addiction. :p

There's been a buzz on the forum about the recent coin heist debacle with Scooter, et al. Well, coin heists have been going on with pool people since I was a teenager. I remember many a player coming into the pool room with with bags and bags of quarters. It is sometimes difficult to unload the quarters. Casinos have always been a good vehicle to unload coins. Back then, it was mainly soda machines. Today, it's mainly car washes. :embarrassed2:

The phenomenon of that easy money quickly is what attracts some pool peeps into a life of crime, whether it's coin heists or cheating in casino games. It's that lure of quick money, just like gambling in pool, that is the draw. :(

I know one young man in the pool world, who shall remain nameless for purposes of this thread, who was a professional coin heister. He'd travel the country and return home with five figures. He had the method down pat and could do it in the blink of an eye. He also could play a pretty mean game of pool. I'd rate him a strong B player. Best part about it, nobody knew who he was. So when on the road, he also would partake in high-stakes action on a field of green. If he lost, he didn't sweat it because he could go out and make it back in one night in coin heists.:eek:

After getting to know the young man a little, I offered counsel to him, advising him to get out now and start a business. I recognized he was actually extremely, extremely intelligent. Whatever he wanted -- money, women, winning in pool -- he was capable when he applied himself. :cool:

Eventually, car wash owners began to utilize the latest technology to catch anyone robbing their machines. Lady Luck ran out for my friend, and he got caught. Judge let him off with a slap on the wrist, a fine, and probation.

Sometimes young men are thrown into a life of crime because of their environment. His father did a long stint in jail while he was growing up, and his mother commit suicide. I truly believe if given a nurturing upbringing as a child, his intelligence would have taken him through college and he would have been a successful businessman. :smile:

Well, after being busted and put on probation, he couldn't land a job that paid the bills, and soon he was back on the road again, looking for isolated car washes at night. And again, he was caught, but this time, he did a couple years in prison. I liked the kid and felt bad for him, but I was also happy that he realized that he needed to turn the corner and get a normal job. Jail has a way of reforming folks, and in this regard, I had high hopes for this young man. He was talking the right talk, and when he got out, I just knew he'd be walking the walk. Yay!

He never did heist another coin machine, but that fast money, that high one gets when gambling, was too much, so he started selling pot, got caught, and he's now doing 10 years in prison. It's a sad story of a child never realizing his strengths, but it illustrates the gambling addiction and how making "quick money" is sometimes too much for some folks. This, unfortunately, was how he grew up.

Is he a bad guy? Does he deserve to be in prison? I can see both sides of the coin on this one [pun intended].

I do not think your friend deserves to be in prison for selling pot. I do think that robbing car wash owners is flat out stealing and deserves jail time. I was a car wash owner and hopped my back fence many nights to catch people doing things to my car wash that cost me money. (I should have installed a gate to make those times easier).
 
To be technically correct, it is absolutely statistically possible to turn $50 into $40M at a casino. Highly unlikely for sure but well within the realm of statistically possible. The odds on many of the games favor the house by a very small margin. If you take $50 and double 20 times in a row, you exceed $40M.
 
I actually won 180k and then got stiffed for 800k.

Beard

Reminds me of a joke:

Guy is rolling through town when the local law scoops him up, gives him a quick trial and sentences him to death. The guy complains he didn't even break any laws so the judge tells him he can fight the jail house dog instead if he would rather. Of course he agrees so they bury him in the ground with only his head above ground and let the dog loose on him for the "fight". Dog makes one pass and rips off an ear. Next run he tears out an eye. Finally the guy pushes his head as far back as possible and when the dog attacks he pushes his head forward and bites the dog on the nose. At which point the guard comes over and kicks him in the face and tells him. Fight fair, no biting!!

And this is what the poor gambler faces against the casino. The entire gaming industry is fraud and thievery against the public almost by definition. But god help anyone should "cheat" them. If that happens they send their jack boot thugs to teach a lesson.

JC
 
If you got "stiffed", you got air barreled.

Had to look that one up as well, but I understand now. Thanks!

So what happens when one gets air barreled? I assume the person has to pay later or else face trouble? Or is it to much hassle to collect it? Man $800k..
 
I will be sure to show your post to the guy who got arrested *and* charged for thrownig dice. ;)

Just to clarify for him your thoughts. :smile:

No casinos will arrest and charged dice players for "throwing" dice any certain way, just like the casinos cannot arrest and charge players for counting cards. The players only get arrested and charged because the casinos suspect cheating (swapping loaded dice, etc).

Your friend didn't tell you the whole thing. There's more to it than what he told you.

It seems like there are quite a few casino employees posting in this thread. Maybe they can verify this simple fact.
 
I will be sure to show your post to the guy who got arrested *and* charged for thrownig dice. ;)

Just to clarify for him your thoughts. :smile:

I can verify that you will get banned from the craps table for not hitting the wall with both dice after being warned. On my trip last year I starting rolling the dice all by myself at ~6 am and they warned me after I was on a good roll.

I really didn't make a huge amount of money, but two guys joined the table and they made quite a bit more than me.

I think that it was the third time where one of the dice didn't hit the back wall where the called an older guy down from wherever he was. Once I realized that they were going to hassle me even more I cashed in.

I then came back to the empty table about 1 hour later and started playing. I got about 4 rolls in and they told me that I had been banned from playing craps in their casino.
 
To be technically correct, it is absolutely statistically possible to turn $50 into $40M at a casino. Highly unlikely for sure but well within the realm of statistically possible. The odds on many of the games favor the house by a very small margin. If you take $50 and double 20 times in a row, you exceed $40M.

Right. Completely statistically possible. $50 at an even money payout where the winner lets it ride, in 20 passes is $52M. The odds of that happening are (I think) 1 in 2 to the 20th power, which is 1 in 1,048,576. In comparison, the odds of winning some Powerball Lottery Jackpots are 1 in 175,000,000, which people do win. So its not only within the realm of statistical possibility, its also possible.

Maybe a better question is what are the odds of finding a guy who would let 25M ride in effort to make it 50M? I think those odds are 1 in 7 Billion, Archie the Greek being the only. And of course, a guy that would do that would sooner or later end up broke. The fact that he is now broke in no way proves he couldn't do what he did in the past. It actually supports it.

Kevin
 
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No accent. I was posing as a billionaire Pennsylvania industrial tycoon.

Beard

Freddie

Great stuff. What do you think in your career did you get paid more or stiffed more total? The Greek's Air Barrel to you is maybe the largest I've heard of. Must have stung like a *****. Did you get of of Vegas with your $180K at least (if you were in Vegas)?

Kevin
 
. I was a car wash owner and hopped my back fence many nights to catch people doing things to my car wash that cost me money. (I should have installed a gate to make those times easier).

John, tell them about the time you caught Johnny Archer taking lint from the vacuum canisters.
 
No casinos will arrest and charged dice players for "throwing" dice any certain way, just like the casinos cannot arrest and charge players for counting cards. The players only get arrested and charged because the casinos suspect cheating (swapping loaded dice, etc).

Your friend didn't tell you the whole thing. There's more to it than what he told you.

It seems like there are quite a few casino employees posting in this thread. Maybe they can verify this simple fact.

I just asked how it was done. You take one dice and put the number you want on top.

Then as you're getting ready to throw 'em, you slide one dice simultaneously while throwing the other. You are assured that the sliding dice number will be one of the two numbers, so it lessens the odds, I guess. ;)

I don't think I could do it. :embarrassed2:
 
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