biggest improvement in pool equipment

realkingcobra said:
177 thread count per square inch
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1 out of 4 isn't bad I guess. A more pioneering answer might have looked like this:

Merino wool, 'Superfine' Twill (or open)
Warp: 24 cross band yarns 16-18 turns per inch
Weft: 24 open band yarns 10-12 turns per inch
Finished cloth 72" with 44-45 picks and 54-55 threads per inch
190z per yard.

Since most of the tensile strength is needed lengthwise, you want tighter warp yarns, but this has the tendency to create a directional pattern in the weave, so to account for that, you'll want to either increase the density of the weft with a higher pick count or use a looser turned yarn. etc etc


realkingcobra said:
....The knowledge of that is more important than knowing the make up of the cloth
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For typical installers yes.
Not for pioneers of greatness such as yourself.
 
realkingcobra said:
That's assuming Brunswick invented the game of billiards, in which they didn't, they just built the tables better....so who do they owe gratitude to?
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Certain people (and/or their companies) have changed the course of history, and in the realm of indoor recreation, Brunswick is one of them.
 
realkingcobra said:
The blue label Diamonds do, I do that same test as well on all the tables I rebuild, as does Mark Gregory, but we also check for bounce back and forth the length of the table as well, the cue ball has to travel at least 4 1/2 - 5 times the length, and make it 9 rails around. But, not all players have the stroke to perform the test, that's not the tables fault!
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My GCII will pass both of these tests and I certainly do not have a stroke. Of course my sub-rails, and pocket angles were modified and my table now has Artemis cushions on it, think I wish I used the Super Speeds instead though.
 
Mr. Bond said:
1 out of 4 isn't bad I guess. A more pioneering answer might have looked like this:

Merino wool, 'Superfine' Twill (or open)
Warp: 24 cross band yarns 16-18 turns per inch
Weft: 24 open band yarns 10-12 turns per inch
Finished cloth 72" with 44-45 picks and 54-55 threads per inch
190z per yard.

Since most of the tensile strength is needed lengthwise, you want tighter warp yarns, but this has the tendency to create a directional pattern in the weave, so to account for that, you'll want to either increase the density of the weft with a higher pick count or use a looser turned yarn. etc etc


For typical installers yes.
Not for pioneers of greatness such as yourself.
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Now answer my questions MR. Bond, because all the info you provided means nothing to anyone playing pool, or someone installing the cloth. Players either like playing on the cloth, or they don't. Installers don't give a damn about the make up of the cloth, they just want to install it, right or wrong, and get paid...so, the answers to my questions are????
 
fastone371 said:
My GCII will pass both of these tests and I certainly do not have a stroke. Of course my sub-rails, and pocket angles were modified and my table now has Artemis cushions on it, think I wish I used the Super Speeds instead though.
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Who did your rails ?
 
realkingcobra said:
If it was a new Diamond today, they might very well be replacing the GCs' with all new Diamonds:thumbup:
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What constitutes new?
One that was made last week?
Last month?
A year ago?
2 years ago?
5 years ago?

At what point in time did the rails go "normal" because every single diamond table in the area, plays retarded.
If Diamond came out with a new product that plays normal, what does that really say about all the tables that are still out there that blow, and the room owners who are stuck with them?
Do they get a warranty that covers recalls and repairs? Do they get a letter that says, HEY GUYS, WE F*CKED UP! WE WILL BE SENDING OUT A REPAIRMAN TO SWAP OUT DEFECTIVE RAILS!

Or are Diamond table owners just sh*t out of luck cause they will have to spend more money to fix a messed up product?

Inquiring minds want to know.
 
SUPERSTAR said:
What constitutes new?
One that was made last week?
Last month?
A year ago?
2 years ago?
5 years ago?

At what point in time did the rails go "normal" because every single diamond table in the area, plays retarded.
If Diamond came out with a new product that plays normal, what does that really say about all the tables that are still out there that blow, and the room owners who are stuck with them?
Do they get a warranty that covers recalls and repairs? Do they get a letter that says, HEY GUYS, WE F*CKED UP! WE WILL BE SENDING OUT A REPAIRMAN TO SWAP OUT DEFECTIVE RAILS!

Or are Diamond table owners just sh*t out of luck cause they will have to spend more money to fix a messed up product?

Inquiring minds want to know.
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Maybe you can ask the same of Glen and see how much warranty money he's gotten from Brunswick for his repairs.

From what I've seen, heard and dealt with, Diamond comes up with ideas to make the tables better for owners, users and mechanics. Valley and others come up with new ways to charge the users.

I hear quite often how much people enjoy playing on the diamonds, from players and non-players alike. What i take in from the tables in comparison to the former tables also speaks volumns. Nobody has to believe me, but my customers sure don't have a problem with them.
 
realkingcobra said:
But you didn't answer my question about who Brunswick owes gratitude do...again;)
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I didn't answer because whomever Brunswick owes or doesn't owe gratitude to means absolutely nothing in relation to the subject of this thread, and my comments about them. I have no idea why you would bring it up.
 
SUPERSTAR said:
What constitutes new?
One that was made last week?
Last month?
A year ago?
2 years ago?
5 years ago?

At what point in time did the rails go "normal" because every single diamond table in the area, plays retarded.
If Diamond came out with a new product that plays normal, what does that really say about all the tables that are still out there that blow, and the room owners who are stuck with them?
Do they get a warranty that covers recalls and repairs? Do they get a letter that says, HEY GUYS, WE F*CKED UP! WE WILL BE SENDING OUT A REPAIRMAN TO SWAP OUT DEFECTIVE RAILS!

Or are Diamond table owners just sh*t out of luck cause they will have to spend more money to fix a messed up product?

Inquiring minds want to know.
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Improving the design of a pool table don't mean that what was built before the change was wrong. Just wondering, did Brunswick send out table mechanics to replace all the cushion's that went bad on the GC 3'S, or are you just stuck on Diamonds?
 
SUPERSTAR said:
What constitutes new?
One that was made last week?
Last month?
A year ago?
2 years ago?
5 years ago?

At what point in time did the rails go "normal" because every single diamond table in the area, plays retarded.
If Diamond came out with a new product that plays normal, what does that really say about all the tables that are still out there that blow, and the room owners who are stuck with them?
Do they get a warranty that covers recalls and repairs? Do they get a letter that says, HEY GUYS, WE F*CKED UP! WE WILL BE SENDING OUT A REPAIRMAN TO SWAP OUT DEFECTIVE RAILS!

Or are Diamond table owners just sh*t out of luck cause they will have to spend more money to fix a messed up product?

Inquiring minds want to know.
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I guess you're a little behind the times, Diamond did a rail redesign 5 years ago this month;)
 
realkingcobra said:
Improving the design of a pool table don't mean that what was built before the change was wrong. Just wondering, did Brunswick send out table mechanics to replace all the cushion's that went bad on the GC 3'S, or are you just stuck on Diamonds?
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So what constitutes new?
What timeframe?
 
Mr. Bond said:
I didn't answer because whomever Brunswick owes or doesn't owe gratitude to means absolutely nothing in relation to the subject of this thread, and my comments about them. I have no idea why you would bring it up.
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Same reason you brought up the questions to me about the make up of Simonis cloth, it don't mean a damn thing in the big picture of things.
 
Ok. So any table made in the last 5 years should play normal.
Cool.
I'll just go ask all the rooms how old their Diamonds are, and if anyone says less then 5 years, and the tables are still bouncy, I'll know what I need to.
Thanks.
 
Mr. Bond said:
I didn't answer because whomever Brunswick owes or doesn't owe gratitude to means absolutely nothing in relation to the subject of this thread, and my comments about them. I have no idea why you would bring it up.
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Now why does green Simonis stretch less than Blue Simonis cloth?
 
realkingcobra said:
Where have you been for all the conversation on AZB about Diamond changing from the red label rails to the blue label designed rails...jeeesh.
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I was in Notcaringville. It is right next to IHateDiamondTablesburg. Both are located in Thisisboring County.

I was playing pool on a Centennial at the time.
 
realkingcobra said:
Now answer my questions MR. Bond, because all the info you provided means nothing to anyone playing pool, or someone installing the cloth. Players either like playing on the cloth, or they don't. Installers don't give a damn about the make up of the cloth, they just want to install it, right or wrong, and get paid...so, the answers to my questions are????
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You're absolutely right Glen, the example I provided would mean nothing to an installer or player, but it would mean everything to someone who is a cloth pioneer.

So if you don't actually know anything (or care) about what the cloth is made of, how its prepared, and how it is woven and processed, how can you be a pioneer of 760?

Do you have any actual experience in the textile industry, other than to make a suggestion to someone about faster cloth?
 
Ultra skin tips

No offence but it is about time someone made a decent laminated tip that didn't cost ten bucks or more.

Tom Hay
Has done a hell of a job of keeping the cost down on these tips.
And I like em.
 
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