Black Boar Question

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Sorry, not really the same. I don't think you understood the context of the question.

"Why would you?" In other words it's a bad decision based on the facts. When you consider aspects such as value. My $4500 PFD would be $10K +++ from BB. So how does that equate to value?

I know some of you are going to state that thats the "market value" right now. While that may be the case at present, there won't always be people like Tikkler around to hype the crap out of them so people are willing to spend more than it's really worth.

Question I'm not cutting on your cue but......
How the heck can you even compare your 4500 PFD to a BB @ any price range with his new logo????? If you show me 1 cue outta the PFD shop with even the same quality of inlays being as sharp put together Playability and in true art form I'd like to see it????

Then when you buy your PFD for 4500 your 99.9% wether you play with it or not, aren't getting your money back your losing like buying a car. I've seen the resale of them. With Tonys cues you atleast break even and every one I had I made $$$ on and I don't mean a few hundred I'm talking 2grand easy

Not being rude or anything like I said just some food for thought
 
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Your quote

Well, I guess we'll see since Tikkler is selling a few of his.

And if you take into consideration what you had to pay for it in the first place, and consider the difference, you'll see which is a better value.

I'm sorry, but anyone who pays $8K for a plain Jane player with a spider on the buttsleeve needs to have his head examined.


I don't see how thats crazy to pay 8k
I had same cue with out the limited edition account of a spider and made 2k on mine and the price the customer paid was a deal because he will make $$$$ too. I didn't even get a price break when I bought it I paid his asking price
 
easy answer

why would someone pay 400+K for a Ferrari when a 75K Nissan GTR or even a 100K ZR1 would run circles around them all day long???????? Beacuse they want to and can afford to.
 
Question I'm not cutting on your cue but......
How the heck can you even compare your 4500 PFD to a BB @ any price range with his new logo????? If you show me 1 cue outta the PFD shop with even the same quality of inlays being as sharp put together and in true art form I'd like to see it????

Then when you buy your PFD for 4500 your 99.9% wether you play with it or not, aren't writing your money back your losing like buying a car. I've seen the resale of them. With Tonys cues you atleast break even and every one I had I made $$$ on and I don't mean a few hundred I'm talking 2grand easy

Not being rude or anything like I said just some food for thought

I'm sorry, but you know not of which you speak.

Paul is well capable of matching ANYTHING Tony can muster up. And his cues play well.
 
why would someone pay 400+K for a Ferrari when a 75K Nissan GTR or even a 100K ZR1 would run circles around them all day long???????? Beacuse they want to and can afford to.

One word..... heritage.

Have you ever heard me once question the value of a Gus, Balabushka, etc?

The answer is no. Why? Because the value of these cues is according to the heritage and the fact that they are deceased legends.

And I have news for you, neither of those vehicles is anywhere near as beautiful as a Ferrari. The ZR1 is a $30K vehicle at best. With it's legoland build interior is should have a Fisher Price logo on it. So what, it's fast. I've driven new Corvettes and with only a few thousand miles on them, they have more rattles than a baby's first birthday. What a POS.
 
I'm sorry, but you know not of which you speak.

Paul is well capable of matching ANYTHING Tony can muster up. And his cues play well.

Are you sure about that? :rolleyes:



I think you are doing Paul a disservice by your words... :nono:



Maybe Paul can comment on if HE do this type of work?




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1st off my cell died or I'd comment faster

I'm sorry, but you know not of which you speak.

Paul is well capable of matching ANYTHING Tony can muster up. And his cues play well.

Sir I know a ton!

1st - let me say I never cut on cue or Paul as stated
2nd- I'm sorry but for every PFD that u think Paul can do equal to
Tony post a pic and I'll show a BB cue that is better oops ....


I see CMD beat me to it already and there are many more where that came from for sure
 
An then there is this ...

One word..... heritage.

Have you ever heard me once question the value of a Gus, Balabushka, etc?

The answer is no. Why? Because the value of these cues is according to the heritage and the fact that they are deceased legends.

And I have news for you, neither of those vehicles is anywhere near as beautiful as a Ferrari. The ZR1 is a $30K vehicle at best. With it's legoland build interior is should have a Fisher Price logo on it. So what, it's fast. I've driven new Corvettes and with only a few thousand miles on them, they have more rattles than a baby's first birthday. What a POS.



Them I see you don't know cars or what u speak of kinda like Tony's cues ....

The Corvett zr1 uses ground down Ferrari break rotors
Ferrari uses GM tecnology as reference for handling from their Cadillac cts-v car

Now u say 30k at best ... Yeah the first 1 made let's move to the second one king sh!t
http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/corvette/2012/options.html?style=101388744&trim=zr1&sub=zr1

Notice invoice is 104k but it's even selling for 111k mark
Up it's rare kinda like Tony's cues good day sir

http://m.chevrolet.com/html5/index.html?t=corvette#vehiclesFam

Starts @110k new zr1 2012 maybe we are just on two different style/years just like we are on cues sir
 
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I'm sorry, but anyone who pays $8K for a plain Jane player with a spider on the buttsleeve needs to have his head examined.

I've played with a spider cue and if I had 8k in my pocket that day I would
have walked out with that cue because it felt that good.

bryan
 
Nobody here gets it, Tony isnt about the art and inlays, that's secondary to playability. Tonys passion is building the best playing cues in the world, the inlay work is added to "blanks" s tony calls them per a customers order. the "blank" is a 8 pt cue with no inlay work, he builds them long before a customer orders a cue.

he builds around 12-15 blanks a year and some get chopped up because the wood does funny things along the building process, so every year he builds as many cues as he has good blanks. its a good process so people dont have to wait forever for a cue and he can take his time building perfect blanks.

I have a very heavly inlayed BB that took 5 months and 2 weeks to inlay, it dont play any better than my regular one, its just art/flash same cue under the hood, Tony and his grandson work on the designs together and Tony never does the inlay work. tony works with the wood, making sure the wood is what he is looking for, monoriting the humidity 24/7 in his shop. working with adhesives, lubricants, design work for construction processes that other cue makers dont use. One example is there is no pin at the A joint in the butt, its one piece of wood from the bumper to the pin-how many other cue makers do that? very few. there are reasons for everything. the ivory over SS on the joint isnt for looks, its there to regulate the weight of the joint, not everyone has the same amount of SS or ivory, depending on the cue he uses different amounts of ivory/SS to get the balance he is looking for.

Tony is a scientist and a cue maker, the inlay/art stuff is where the profit is at, he keeps the C&C machine running to bring in the $$ to drive his passion to build the best playing cues there is. thats his bag, I dont know any other person like that.


Unless you been to his shop and really know him you just dont get it, I know I didnt get it. now that I have been there many times and know him well I get it. I was just going to ignore this thread, but it got to the point i couldnt stand it any longer so I spoke up. I played the past 3-4 years with a Boar as my player, my cue has been used by damn near everyone, i let people use it and they all say the same thing. Ask Max, Shane, JA, Ralf, Cotton, Tang, Mike dechane, Artie, Rodney, Pinnigar they all say the same thing. guys that hate me who arnt kissing my ass still say the same thing, "that might be the best hitting cue ever" and they might be right. I have gus thats similar, ray martins gus plays similar to boars. I will add one thing I wouldnt like the Boars on slow cloth, 860/760 is what Tony has designed them for-they dont have enuff backbone for the old slow cloth.


Its about playability not art for Tony. As far as inlays go thats a C&C pissing contest these days, 10 years ago it was more the man not his machines. those days are gone. I have inlays in a Boar so small anyone needs X2 magnification to see them, so what? that's over IMO, all that counts is how it plays. and a few cue makers can make that happen, Gus did with Sears tools 30 years ago, tony said he learned more from Gus than anyone else. Look at Barrys cues, how good do they play? perfect. and he aint putting 1000 inlays in them. the C&C pissing contest is for other posers, not the real guys.
 
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I can't afford a BB cue so I have to play with my cheap POS $75 EBay cue.

Fortunately, I have approx 1 million tied up in lathes, tooling, supplies and related FKing equipment in the basement so maybe I will build myself a cue before I die. Oh, and don't even start on me about the extra 500K in exotic wood. Its sleeping and waiting for the right time to be made into a cue.

Until then, I am just a lowly repair man that plays with a cheap POS cue.
 
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Very well stated

Very well stated....

His cues play so good it's insane that's Tony's main passion...he likes seeing his cues in hands of people that can really play the most that's where he sees his work perform to its capabilities.

I just also like the style of his points His inlays his artistic capabilities along with his grandsons &, on top of a cue that plays like theirs,,that it's for me it's just breath taking.


His inlays and style of building a cue speaks volumes in the cue industry IMO
 
I can't afford a BB cue so I have to play with my cheap POS $75 EBay cue.

Fortunately, I have approx 1 million tied up in lathes, tooling, supplies and related FKing equipment in the basement so maybe I will build myself a cue before I die.

Until then, I am just a lowly repair man that plays with a cheap POS cue.



I played with a Mali a guy loaned me at the Derby a few years ago, might have been a $100 cue, it played so good I didnt go to my room to get my cue. Point is price dont always equal how good a cue plays. I think SW's are great playing cues and they are not $10K.

like I said in my post tony is always working on building great playing cues, the art is a seperate thing and usually the most expensive part of any cue. and art has never made a cue play better.
 
Fatboy

Fatboy I was always told this...

"INLAYS NEVER MAKE A CUE HIT BETTER JUST COST MORE NO MATTER IT'S MAKER"

Hahahahahaha that's the truth
 
What I like about Tony's site is that he surrounds himself with all the other indulgences he loves in life. Fine cigars, coffee, vodka, motorcycles, guns etc. The list goes on.

Nothing he does is half a ssed. Its all or nothing. He is a man that realizes his passions in life and lives his short time on earth to the fullest.

Its something that I try to do also, only with a heck of a lot less money.
It is still doable.

I know we all have responsibilities in life that are more important. Family, work, mortgage, bills. The list also goes on. Don't we know it.

But, we could all study Tony a bit and learn a few lessons from him. There is a bit of deep reflection that can be done by visiting his site.
 
I love the way my 6-point custom BB looks and plays. It was not cheap and i don't care. Tony in my opinion is not only a superb cue builder and artiste' but he is also a fine gentleman and friend. Tony's grandson Donnie is doing great work helping with the production of these fine billiard instruments. To me it's all worth it. Thanks Tony and Donnie for your excellent work.
"country"
 
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well stated

I love the way my 6-point custom BB looks and plays. It was not cheap and i don't care. Tony in my opinion is not only a superb cue builder and artiste' but he is also a fine gentleman and friend. Tony's grandson Donnie is doing great work helping with the production of these fine billiard instruments. To me it's all worth it. Thanks Tony and Donnie for your excellent work.
"country"

well stated country...i caught this thread,a single person bashing and its sad.im over it
 
It always amuses me when some guy only can see the value in the thing he likes/uses and finds it necessary to put down the value/worth of stuff he doesn't buy. Tony builds less than 20 cues a year, prices them according to what he can get and gets it those 20 times. He's only trying to sell cues to those who appreciate them, those who don't (for whatever reason) can certainly exercise their option to buy something else. Lots of cues out there in all sorts of price ranges.

Thanks

Kevin
 
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