Blue Diamond Chalk

eyesjr said:
Mr 23 year road Player dont want action? You tirelessly revert to bringing me to you - You are the great big Woofing expert that called me out. Come see me, and like I said, win, lose, or draw, one of us will learn something, two of us will bet something, and maybe one of us will win something.

I guess all the military taught you was how to retreat.
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Like I have said in prior posts Sweet Heart your words and your actions insulted many members of this forum, so in essences you called the forum out. Little people like you come and go, but they do not stay for long, they either get banned, or they loose so much credibility that no one cares what they say or how they say it.

Your posts throughout all allude to a single thing, you do not have the money to gamble. Ya, some one may back you for a little cash, however, lose a $1000 and your on your own. Woofing is not my strong point, but be assured that unlike you I will do what I say, and that is not Woofing.

Over and over again you say come see me, but that would be impossible because you are just an electron zooming through cyber space. You hide behind a user name so that no one knows who you are or even where you are really located. Until you can come out of hiding, and become a verified human being it is very hard to take you serious about anything you say or do.:yeah: :yeah: :yeah: do you understand, so either shit or get off the pot!!!!!!!:thumbup:


Have a great night Sweet Heart!!!!!
 
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If 10 ahead for a half, or possibly a dime is worth the drive come see me. Jackson Tn. All you have to do is say 10 ahead. And bring more than one barrel,

Yes, I have played for less. And yes, I think low dollar/10$-20$ a game cheaps is a nice, friendly game to socialize and I have never tried to rob. I play as even as I can and have actually given too much weight to keep action.

I often play weaker players at supercheap, 5 bucks or so, because they dont play higher. Does that make me less in your eyes?

And yes, I played for 25 cents/game few months back. I did win 11.25 though, I didn't do it for the money, IT was the ONLY action on a dead day.

What a man bets is of little importance to me. I have raised and supported a child on playing pool alone for 2 years now, ever since I walked into work only to be laid off.

Starting from 2 months in the hole in bills and winning my way into the ahead zone made my balls bigger, my mind sharper, and my head clearer. All I know is that someone may beat me. But If we play everyday, they will only win until I find it. And when I find it, the peace, the way, I will take the strengths of my superior and make it my own.

I could be a 95-100 percent winner If I bet nitty, but I step out and try all who come through. Myself and one other player are responsible for the place we play having 3 shitloads of action. Instead of being a 95-100 percent nit winer, I am an 85- 90 percent smart playing winner. Fear comes not from another persons abilities. Only inspiration.

100/game does not affect my nerves, it only affects my thinking. Which is the strength of my game in the first place.

manwon said:
Like I have said in prior posts Sweet Heart your words and your actions insulted many members of this forum, so in essences you called the forum out. Little people like you come and go, but they do not stay for long, they either get banned, or they loose so much credibility that no one cares what they say or how they say it.

Your posts throughout all allude to a single thing, you do not have the money to gamble. Ya, some one may back you for a little cash, however, lose a $1000 and your on your own. Woofing is not my strong point, but be assured that unlike you I will do what I say, and that is not Woofing.

Over and over again you say come see me, but that would be impossible because you are just an electron zooming through cyber space. You hide behind a user name so that no one knows who you are or even where you are really located. Until you can come out of hiding, and become a verified human being it is very hard to take you serious about anything you say or do.:yeah: :yeah: :yeah: do you understand, so either shit or get off the pot!!!!!!!:thumbup:


Have a great night Sweet Heart!!!!!
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eyesjr said:
If 10 ahead for a dime is worth the drive come see me. Jackson Tn. All you have to do is say 10 ahead. And bring more than one barrel.
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You just don't get it Sweet Heart, real people don't gamble with free electrons with no substance, Identify yourself and become part of the Human race!!!!!:D

Oh and by the way Sweet Heart, lets make it a Dime a game, pay as you play, and if you don't have 20 dimes to post up in advance there is no use in starting.;)

But that should be easy for some one who plays as well as you, that should be pocket change!!! I suspect the major difference between you and me is that money like this is pockets change
 
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Chalk

Ordinarily, I learn a great deal from these posts, but this one is so laced with emotion that I only have questions.

1. Is all chalk the same with the only distinctions being labels & hype?

2. Are the only perceived differences a function of placebo effects?

3. If the brand of chalk makes no difference on leather tips, are there significant differences on phenolic tips?

4. Where does Sang Lee chalk rank with leather tips? with phenolic tips?
 
berlowmj said:
Ordinarily, I learn a great deal from these posts, but this one is so laced with emotion that I only have questions.

1. Is all chalk the same with the only distinctions being labels & hype?

2. Are the only perceived differences a function of placebo effects?

3. If the brand of chalk makes no difference on leather tips, are there significant differences on phenolic tips?

4. Where does Sang Lee chalk rank with leather tips? with phenolic tips?
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1) All chalk is not the same, some has more grit and some has less grit. The grit is a filler that is designed to make the chalk rough up the leather of a tip as it is applied, kinda like a scuffer and adhears better. The hardness of your tip will also effect how Chalk will adhear to your tip. The old Masters formula, was the best Chalk I have ever used, it had just the right amount of fill mixed and compressed with the raw Chalk. I have not found it equal to date, thank God I still have more than a Gross of the Old Stuff, along with half a Gross of the Triangle for the 1960's which was also just as good.

2) No, as stated above the type of fill used in Chalk will definately effect how well a Chalk works. However, if the fill and the Chalk combination are not blended properly or if too much fill is used the results will be terrible like most Chalks today.

3) Phenolic Tips do not even need to be chalked at all. Their surface can act as Chalk if the surface is properly maintained, and the user knows how to use that type of tip.

4) Sang Lee Chalk is a promotional item, I knew Sang personally and when he was playing in a National or World Championships he used Masters Blue or Green depending upon the color of the cloth, and that I can state without a doubt. Sang, also sold cues with his name on them, just like the Chalk, I mean why not get something for being a World Champion.

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I bought a few pieces. I used them for months and I still tend to prefer the old Master Chalk. I can't really say why... I guess I like them about the same as both are easy to get on the tip, have fine grain which adhears nicely and spreads well.

I can't say that the Blue Diamond is any better and it's sure a lot more expensive. :groucho:

http://www.poolndarts.com/index.cfm...AE2&Fuseaction=Catalog.Product&productID=3150
 
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MANWON't do it

The game I offered is good action. That I am good for. Woof on, try to eek out of playing, or high roll out, 10 ahead 4 a dime is good action.

You SHOULD own a pool room, you have the tendencies of a pool player..

1- You woof
2- then you back out
3- Then you try to offer some bizarre arrangement to play
4- Then you try to NAME YOURSELF to get me not to play
5- Then you act as if I don't exist to evade the game.
6 FINALLY, You try to high roll. You call me a nit, I offer 100/game 10 ahead for a dime, whatever, and YOU NIT OUT BY HIGH ROLLING.
YOURE either stupid for not taking my offer, or smart for not doing it.

I am left to assume your tactics in play are as ass-holeish as your woof, oops, I woof'd, back down...Oh god, other guy woof'd back, better act fast and high roll....SO WHAT. I told you 3 posts ago the measure of a man is not what he can bet.

That said, The most I will play an unknown for is 10 ahead for a dime. Thats realistic. But the Bottom line is, I am a player of decent caliber, and my ability alone does not give me the dead nuts. BUT I PLAY ANYWAY. That is called heart, and no tactic you throw at me will shrink it or make it colder. Unless you contact me concerning a match, do not contact me at all.

My time spent with you on this site has been no less than undesireable, At this point I actually hope you never do come through town. Because I don't play pool to bust. I dont play pool to prove a point. I play pool to be the best I can be at it and constantly improve.

Your tactics, sir, offer me no substance for improvement.
If you really have hundreds of thousands of dollars, then I commend your means of obtaining it. However, using money as a substance to try and bully around, is no good. You would be smarter to take the offer and just beat me and increase your roll by whatever mine is.

If the

manwon said:
You just don't get it Sweet Heart, real people don't gamble with free electrons with no substance, Identify yourself and become part of the Human race!!!!!:D

Oh and by the way Sweet Heart, lets make it a Dime a game, pay as you play, and if you don't have 20 dimes to post up in advance there is no use in starting.;)

But that should be easy for some one who plays as well as you, that should be pocket change!!! I suspect the major difference between you and me is that money like this is pockets change
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I could not find a delete function here, it seems Manwon and myself have mutually repaired our differences.

I hope the aggressive nature of our conversation can be overlooked by those neutral, and I extend an apology for my inability to command properly the english language.

Manwon, I am at peace if you are.
 
this thread reminds me of the one about the sharpie marker discussion on a old schon cue. it was millions of words over nothing. its chalk, its cheap, nad its blue. so what??? new business....

BTW I dont like it
 
You are right about that chalk. I think it was finer than master, and I liked it. I want a jelly roll for advertisement...
RiverCity said:
The chalk has a mystique to it, therefore people are going to pay the high prices and flock to it for a while like its a miracle cure...... until they realize its just chalk, and chalk is chalk.
Other than that..... I have some National Tournament with the old black label (this was THE BEST CHALK EVER MADE.........) that Ill sell for $200 a dozen if anyone is interested...... ;) :thumbup:
Chuck

ps, I have a bridge for sale too......
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Eyesjr, I'm still curious.

Since you apparently won't / can't give us a name or a face ( but like to woof ) can you at least get us a character refernce from someone that has some credibility?

I understand that nice warm blanket of anonymity will embolden most but it certainly doesn't lend you any bite to your bark.
 
eyesjr said:
CaCO3 is the base of any chalk. It is cheaper than cheap, and readily available. industrial chemical binding compounds are also easily obtained.
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This isn't really true. Though there may be some calcium carbonate in billiard chalk, it's not the working material in it. You're getting confused with chalk vs. billiard chalk. Billiard chalk's working substance is silicon dioxide and other metal dioxides. They only call it chalk because it probably started years ago to use actual chalk. Today, we don't use CaCO3 chalk.

So, given that information, maybe that will shed more light as to why one would be better. The billiard chalk adds abrasion and friction to the cue tip. Silicon dioxide is basically crushed fine sand. That's why they use it. Binding agents mixed with the dioxides to create higher friction while being able to coat a leather tip is probably what the company was going for.

Hope this helps in your quest,

Fred
 
eyesjr said:
I could not find a delete function here, it seems Manwon and myself have mutually repaired our differences.

I hope the aggressive nature of our conversation can be overlooked by those neutral, and I extend an apology for my inability to command properly the english language.

Manwon, I am at peace if you are.
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I am also at Peace!!

Have a great day!!!!!!!
 
Darn.......

I'm sorry to see Manwon and eyes kiss and make up. It was very entertaining reading. Was hoping some good live stream action was going to result.
Ok, back to reality now. I have played for years using Masters chalk. I have known many players using it and they are good players. I can't see how the type of chalk could possibly make somebody hit balls or pocket balls any better. If miscues are a problem it is most likely a persons stroke, not the chalk.
BD chalk could very well be a "stickier" substance. But, if I need to use that much more english, did I play bad shape to get where I am? Did my opponent play me tough and leave me there? Can I just play a safety, instead of taking a chance on extreme english?
Another note to add: Willie Mosconi never played with BD chalk. He still holds record for high 14.1 run. Equipment is always improving, but does it make you a better player?
There is many valid questions in my post. I feel most players will use chalk they can afford. But, if BD chalk makes you feel superhuman and miscues will never happen, then by all means go by it. Peace of mind is priceless.:smile:
BTW, I was never insulted by original post. There are many personalities on this forum. If we just try to filter through the way things are written and take in what the subject is, there will be much less woofing and argueing.;)
 
Great, I get all this popcorn popped for nothing! Yeesh.

Seriously though, there is a good point under all this, which is the utter dearth of any good quality, independent comparative reviews of Billiards equipment and services. Pretty much the only way to get anything close it to read forums and blogs like this and suffer through the slings and arrows of the outrageous posts and flame wars that usually accompany them.

As we cannot even agree on terms about major items like what quantitively differentiates a good cue from a bad one trying to argue the merits of one brand of chalk over another comes dangerously close to counting the number of the tiny invisible naked Japanese angels that are rumored to be dancing on the surface of every Moori tip.
 
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Great, I get all this popcorn popped for nothing! Yeesh.

Seriously though, there is a good point under all this, which is the utter dearth of any good quality, independent comparative reviews of Billiards equipment and services. Pretty much the only way to get anything close it to read forums and blogs like this and suffer through the slings and arrows of the outrageous posts and flame wars that usually accompany them.

As we cannot even agree on terms about major items like what quantitively differentiates a good cue from a bad one trying to argue the merits of one brand of chalk over another comes dangerously close to counting the number of the tiny invisible naked Japanese angels that are rumored to be dancing on the surface of every Moori tip.
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Well in many cases I would agree with you however, when some one starts a thread with the following:

Blue Diamond Chalk
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Ok, Here it is. A thread ONLY for either test results concerning Blue Diamond chalk, or for A players testimony. If You are a full time pool player, etc, hih roller, someone with CREDENTIALS, not a hack, not"Im the best in my pool league"

Everyone here is dying to know if it is superior, and just how much better is it, and here is the place to see. DO NOT CLUTTER THIS THREAD UNLESS YOU ARE A REAL PLAYER. Can you spot an average player the 6 out? Can you give 12-4 to an average local one-pocket player? I want to hear why this chalk is better.

I would also like to know why on the site, it has been worldwide for years upon years, but 'just now discovered in USA.'
Lets not have a 14 page thread with a bunch of hacks here, lets save this for those that know whats going on here. Thank you for your time, J

When some one starts any thread trash talking, and woofing nothing else will every result from it. Being disrespectful to forum members will very quickly keep posters with the information desired form posting to the thread. I do agree however that at time flames wars and negative comments can creep into any thread, but this is just a fact of life on the Internet.

So if I were you I would not be so hasty making Popcorn in the future, it is wrong to waste food, didn't your mother teach you that some where there are hungry children who need that food!!!!!!!;)
 
AuntyDan said:
Great, I get all this popcorn popped for nothing! Yeesh.

Seriously though, there is a good point under all this, which is the utter dearth of any good quality, independent comparative reviews of Billiards equipment and services. Pretty much the only way to get anything close it to read forums and blogs like this and suffer through the slings and arrows of the outrageous posts and flame wars that usually accompany them.

As we cannot even agree on terms about major items like what quantitively differentiates a good cue from a bad one trying to argue the merits of one brand of chalk over another comes dangerously close to counting the number of the tiny invisible naked Japanese angels that are rumored to be dancing on the surface of every Moori tip.
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Mmmm, naked Japanese angels. I think I'll put a couple of Moori tips under my pillow tonight--you never know what might happen.
 
manwon said:
When some one starts any thread trash talking, and woofing nothing else will every result from it.
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It certainly makes it harder, but this thread does have some relevant posts with some reasonably useful information in it, so clearly it does not make it impossible. There is no question that the OP can stand to learn some better forum manners and could have expressed themselves much better from the start. There is also no question that it takes two to tango in a flame war. People in glass houses and all that. Two bad posts do not make one good one IMHO.

However all that aside I feel there is no way to properly answer the original question, due to a lack of any commonly accepted way to measure the performance of pool cues, and by extension their tips, chalk, shafts, joints etc. If the OP is as experienced as they claimed to be they should have already known that before they asked the question.

To me the fact that there is no good way to answer this question is the more interesting talking point and one that we members (or should it be "denizens"?) of the community could potentially do something positive about.
 
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eyesjr said:
Find Jackson Tennessee and come bet something. And bring your Own chalk, mine is inferior.
I currently make my living playing pool, And I would love to either learn from you as you bust me, or simply bust you. Really doesnt matter either way.

This is why AZ is near the bottom of my marked sites - A ??? gets asked, and 3 pages later, no CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE!!! Some like it, others say its just chalk.

My attitude, sir, is the by-product of this nitty site, where ???'s never get answered, people WOOF OVER THE INTERNET AND WONT DO NOTHIN, and all other sorts of things, and YES, My Attitude towards this is to the negative. BUT I TRIED TO START A GOOD THREAD, YALL JUST CANT LT THAT HAPPEN CAN YOU..

MAYBE ILL GET LUCKY AND BAN-HALEN WILL CANCEL ME.
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Where did all your green boxes go? Was that me?

:grin-devilish: :grin-devilish:

As I said in your red rep comment, If you don't like it here, why stick around?

Don't let the door hit ya.....
 
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