Bonus Ball Schedule: Right or Wrong

Bonus Ball Schedule: Right or Wrong?

  • Right

    Votes: 57 28.9%
  • Wrong

    Votes: 140 71.1%

  • Total voters
    197
  • Poll closed .
None of this makes me feel good Darren. There is something called business ethics that are being violated here. I'm sorry you fail to grasp that. The players are the pawns in this scenario, you included.

I would not call it business ethics but pool politics at play here and most people I believe see that. People are making a big stink and nothing big has really happened as far as weak turnouts yet, lets see how the numbers are at Tunica and the US Open 1 Pocket and 10 ball before we keep bashing Bonus Ball in the ground when they are handing the players a real paycheck.

Darren has came on here and spoken, a respected top pro player, I believe his opinion holds more weight then a bunch of hearsay or misinformation going on the forum as of late. This is the best chance for pro players to make a living right now period.

I would say majority of businesses do not care about the competitors really, imagine Ford giving GM a loan or Domino's giving Pizza Hut a helping hand by loaning them a delivery guy when they are shorthanded. The fact is the industry is very broken up with cliques here and there along with loyalty to certain promoters, everyone does not work together just like in the real world with all people.

I do wish success for the older events that have always paid the players money as I have enjoyed them and hope they continue on, I do feel they will and this crap talk on here is pointless really. When the attendance is the same or better as in past years what will there be to complain about next. (not a question because I really do not want to hear more BS) :)
 
Your writing style -- punctuation, initial caps, sentence structure, grammar -- is completely different from your first two posts on this thread.

Must have been a long day at the Bonus Ball venue. :)

This might be crazy but maybe it is actually Darren, haha. :p
 
I don't usually post on forums anymore, but I will speak on behalf of the players...

We the players have been waiting a long time for something big and fresh to happen to billiards since the IPT. Now we have Bonus Ball. At first, like most players, I wasn't sure about the game, the rules etc., but after 2 weeks of matches we were all in love and glued to the game. It's a great game to play and everyone I speak to at the venue loves to watch it. The concept, scoreboard, shot clock and team play makes it exciting to watch and play.

Obviously these guys hit some bumps in the road the past 12 months and it has cost them more money than they wanted.

I don't know the business model and what the future holds, but myself and the players are passionate about this game and love the concept. We see the potential and we feel like professional players at this arena. This experience has definitely united the players.

We were asked months bank from WPBLTV which tournaments we would like to attend; and we all replied. Obviously it's not possible to avoid all competitions, but they tried their best. The players do have a choice to play Bonus Ball or attend a tournament because each team has 2 alternates. The cancellation of the World 10 Ball has also affected a lot of teams.

Like I said, all the guys have the option to play Bonus Ball or tournaments. We never got told any different. In addition, every single tournament in the world does not receive the same field or all the best players... mainly due to financial difficulty, personal reasons or no invitation.

For example, last year at the Great Southern Classic, many top players were missing including: Efren, Bustamante, Mika, Corteza, Souquet... and a long lost of other top players. Nothing was said this time last year when these players didn't show and none of these players received phone calls with threats. They didn't attend because they didn't want to or they couldn't afford the expenses. We don't want to play every tournament on the calendar and we are certainly not contracted to play anything. With so many international tournaments, it's touch to keep everyone happy.

This year, the Great Southern Classic will only be affected by 8-12 players from Bonus Ball. Some teams wanted this time off to play the Great Southern Classic and they will go play; that's their choice. Some teams have no matches scheduled the week of the Great Southern Classic but they simply can't afford to play. 75% of the players are broke! To play Ultimate 10 Ball, then the Southern Classic including the $1000 entry for the Bigfoot Challenge... players are looking at a minimum of $5000 inc travel expenses. I know some players with $200 to their name and some totally broke.

I will play Ultimate 10 Ball and it cost me about $1500-2000 in expenses. To stay another 10 days and play the Southern Classic would cost another $3000. I could afford to stay but I decided this time the best decision for me was to play Bonus Ball. I will definitely play future tournaments in the US this year and DCC next year.

With or without Bonus Ball, lots of these guys wouldn't be attending Great Southern Classic simply because they can't afford to play and payout $3000-5000 for 1.5-2 weeks. If they played everything including Ultimate 10 Ball, the Asian and European players are looking at $6000 in expenses, unless they have a stake horse.

This year, Great Southern Classic will be a much better field than last year. The guys traveling from Asia, Europe and the Middle East to play in the Ultimate 10 Ball will probably stay to play Great Southern Classic. The ones that don't will be because it is too expensive.

The list of players that are part of Bonus Ball and are staying to play Great Southern Classic are:
Johnny Archer
Shannon Daulton
Dennis Hatch
Warren Kiamco
Justin Hall
Joey Gray
Chip Compton
Jeremy Jones
Jayson Shaw
Phil Burford
Karl Boyes
Chris Melling
and I'm sure a few more..

I also know some of the Bonus Ball Guys could go and would like to go, but are not because it is too expensive.

Then there are about 6 of us who have to choose if we want to play Great Southern Classic, but decided to play Bonus Ball and be guaranteed a wage. A few guys couldn't afford to go and need the guaranteed money. My guess is Great Southern Classic lost 6-8 players tops due to Bonus Ball... it's hard times in the world right now.


Great Southern Classic will still get more entries than last year and it will certainly be a tougher field. ie: Bustamante, Reyes, Corteza, Biado, Melling, Fiejen and many more. None of these guys played Souther Classic last year.

So, I feel everyone is making a big fuzz out of nothing..

Also, the US Open 10 Ball and 8 Ball will have sick fields this year with the Asian and European guys flying over. The field is stronger than ever and the Bonus Ball guys are changing match times to allow players to play if they want. I will not play US Open 8 Ball and neither will Archer, Shuff and Orcullo. Nothing was said when we couldn't play, because we are playing in the World Games in Columbia. It just seems to me everyone is against Bonus Ball for the wrong reasons and it all has to do with money.

I certainly respect Greg and all his staff and I will continue to support his events in the future. I'm sure this year's event will be well supported and a great success, and wish everyone luck.


Darren Appleton
World 9 Ball Champion
Thanks for posting your feelings on the situation from the viewpoint of an actual player. I know many players are not on the forums or just post on Facebook, others are scared to say anything because they are scared of repercussions about possibly not being able to play in events or being on the blacklist. That kind of thing is pool politics and truly bad business. :cool:
 
I truly understand why the players want a weekly check... tournament life can be tough and 'eating what you kill' can be a real struggle. I guess I cannot blame anyone selling out for their own financial gain. I wouldn't, but I've never been in your shoes. But lets not get it twisted, it really is selling out. I have yet to see anyone play bonus ball who wasn't on the clock. I've yet to hear of anyone gambling playing bonus ball. Everyone smiles for the camera and backs it up because they're getting paid to do so, I get it.

You can label me a hater, that's totally fine. I'm not really worried about what you think of me. But I'm not a hater, I'm realistic. I'm not even trying to be mean, just honest. On facebook you called me "bitter" because of what I've said about a game I'm not a fan of. Either you think I was hoping to be involved (LOL) or possibly bitter would imply something else in England that I'm unaware of... but I can assure you, I'm not bitter. Bonus ball could not help me financial and it will never hurt me. I don't make a living in pool.

I've watch the game. I remember being at the US Open years ago when they were pushing it out in the lobby... it was laughable. My opinion hasn't changed. I think it's terribly boring and cheesy. I'm not a fan, but I'm not your market. I do think the studio looks pretty cool (minus the purple strip club lights).

I personally am a fan of your game and hope I continue to see you playing 9ball and 10ball tournaments... and winning.
Many of us sell out certain things when we go to work but that is just how life goes, not sure what the players are selling out though. Going to a job that gives a paycheck over gambling on the tournament trail sounds pretty smart to me. I know some players who really enjoy the game and I am sure others are there to just pick up a paycheck and could care less what the game is like you have said.

I know some guys have really practiced and it shows and the other guys who did not you can see by the way they are playing. Those players need to shape up or they will be shipped out when next season comes around because those poor performers will be replaced and teams do not want weak links. One thing is for sure that cannot be denied as interesting is the team dynamic and shot clock along with how players react to it.
 
This was my solution in another thread for the BCA events to Mark Griffin. I believe this could work if the players are accommodated.

I apologize for not being able to call, long day at the arena. My solution is simple really and I spoke to some of the players about it. We know the players Bonus Ball match schedules and if you can work around the time window they have to play which is usually for 3-4 hours then they can be accommodated to play in both as the venues are 10-15 minutes away. Those that I spoke to would like to play both if possible but understand we cannot shut down for that time period and like sure money.

Thursday and Friday there are 1 match each day which take up 3-4 hours of time and start at 6pm. The matches on Saturday and Sunday start at noon and run until 3pm and then the other matches start at 6pm and go until 9pm roughly so I do believe some players can be accommodated and if not and they are in the finals or deep in the money they can use an alternate to fill in at Bonus Ball. This is just my suggestion from an idiot cameraman. :smile:

P.S. Greg, I do not know the answer for Tunica. I believe the star performers will be there most likely but do not know if you are able to reschedule a match or wait on some of them for a full day which seems very unlikely. I would rather find solutions to problems then argue or point fingers. Perhaps players can fly in for their BB match and head right to the event after but financially it might not make sense for them to do.
 
None of this makes me feel good Darren. There is something called business ethics that are being violated here. I'm sorry you fail to grasp that. The players are the pawns in this scenario, you included.

Jay I respect you about as much as I can respect another human which is to say a hell of a lot. You have been there and done that all-in all your life for pool.

But on this one I have to disagree with you and say that if you're right and the players are pawns then you can make the clear choice to not be the one to treat them like pawns. You can just be on their side on this one and wish them well.
 
This might be crazy but maybe it is actually Darren, haha. :p

Lenny, the only thing I was pointing out was that his first two posts were written perfect, with proper punctuation, capitalizations, paragraphing, spelling, and grammar.

The posts Darren wrote thereafter had an opposite style of writing; for example, all lowercase letters, no capitalization.

I read transcripts every single day produced by others, 24/7/365. I immediately recognize traits in one's style of writing. It is frowned upon for someone to accept a job and then farm it out to somebody else. That is why I am always on high alert for writing styles. It is, I guess, an occupational hazard of mine. My daughter won't even write me notes anymore because I return them to her edited.

I received a PM from a member who told me that iPhones fix one's punctuation when using them. I did not know that, so maybe Darren used an iPhone for the first two posts and used a different device for the rest of his posts.

This, by the way, is not a criticism. I'm just pointing it out. The first few posts by Darren seem to have been written by somebody else than Darren if his later posts were written by him.

And, Lenny, I admire you, always have. I like your style much better than the other BB staff. I believe you when you state your opinions. I know you stand by them, and you're your own man. The comparision of Ford and Domino pizza companies to this fractured pool industry is off the mark, and I think you must know this, deep down inside.

Jay is right on with what he writes. In reality, the players, the promoters, pool purists, and even those blue-blooded BCA industry members is what we have in this pool world. It is a close-knit family. In the history of pool in my lifetime, promoters work together to schedule around each other, with the exception of Charlie Williams. But we all know that Charlie Williams is the exception rather than the norm when it comes to working together with others.

Now, as far as the players go, I get it. They're all nestled in Vegas and don't want to leave. Of course, losing points on the BB league also is an incentive to stay. Promoters come and go in the pool world, as to players, but Greg is a long-standing valued promoter. My friend Brandon Shuff, along with Darren and others, I guess, asked to have their money back or canceled their appearance to come to Southern Classic after agreeing to come. The players have a right to do what they want, but the consequences will be that the promoters who supported them in the past, those promoters will not feel loyalty to those players anymore. If an independent contractor canceled a job on me in my business at the last minute after accepting it, I would never use them again. As all of you so rightly point out, there's other fish in the sea.

Professional pool is circling the drain. When Bonus Ball folds after their imaginary prospective investors fail to fund the operation, much like Trudeau and Ho with the IPT, the players will be left out to dry, with possibley bounced checks or no checks or maybe a payment plan over the course of a year or two. I know the feeling well.

Regional tours have prohbited pro players from competing in their events or have placed higher entry fees and brutal handicaps. Maybe Southern Classic, Deby City, Mark Griffin's enterprise will do the same. When BB folds, these pro players won't have too many competitions in America to go to, unless it's overseas. And who can afford that? Only players with fat stakehorses, sponsors, and I can count on one hand who that is.

There is an integrity in the pool industry among those who work together. They just may be competitors in many respects, but they all know that if they don't work together, the pool world will be much worse off, kind of like what BB is doing right now. I feel it's tragic.

Best of luck to you, Lenny. I hope you don't quit your day job for BB. With a family to take care of, it sure is a risky venture to put all yoru eggs in one BB basket, but that's your business and not mine. Wishing you all the very best, as always!
 
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None of this makes me feel good Darren. There is something called business ethics that are being violated here. I'm sorry you fail to grasp that. The players are the pawns in this scenario, you included.

Hypothetically, Bonus Ball changes their schedule to accommodate the SC etc, what's stopping other promotors from trying to do the exact same thing you/Greg are doing? Do you guys think you have the only big tournaments coming up?
 
Hypothetically, Bonus Ball changes their schedule to accommodate the SC etc, what's stopping other promotors from trying to do the exact same thing you/Greg are doing? Do you guys think you have the only big tournaments coming up?

Of course they are the only big ones. Besides that there's no others in the U.S. on a regular basis.

Turning stone - twice
SBE
CSI/BCAPL
Derby Events -twice

Can't kill the six events that they have, cause after season 1, possibly 2, when bonus ball is gone they will be running back to these. Cause they sure and he'll are not going overseas, none of them can compete there.

That's it until at least the next tribe elections.
 
Of course they are the only big ones. Besides that there's no others in the U.S. on a regular basis.

Turning stone - twice
SBE
CSI/BCAPL
Derby Events -twice

Can't kill the six events that they have, cause after season 1, possibly 2, when bonus ball is gone they will be running back to these. Cause they sure and he'll are not going overseas, none of them can compete there.

That's it until at least the next tribe elections.
Bonus Ball is bigger then anything overseas, star factor and money wise for sure. Next season I bet there will be more Asian players and when I say Asian that is Pinoy players too because I spoke to Ronnie and Efren and they are all for it. :smile:
 
Lenny, the only thing I was pointing out was that his first two posts were written perfect, with proper punctuation, capitalization's.

The posts Darren wrote thereafter had an opposite style of writing; for example, all lowercase letters, no capitalization.

I read transcripts every single day produced by others, 24/7/365. I immediately recognize traits in one's style of writing. It is frowned upon for someone to accept a job and then farm it out to somebody else. That is why I am always on high alert for writing styles. It is, I guess, an occupational hazard of mine. My daughter won't even write me notes anymore because I return them to her edited.

I received a PM from a member who told me that iPhones fix one's punctuation when using them. I did not know that, so maybe Darren used an iPhone for the first two posts and used a different device for the rest of his posts.

This, by the way, is not a criticism. I'm just pointing it out. The first few posts by Darren seem to have been written by somebody else than Darren if his later posts were written by him.

And, Lenny, I admire you, always have. I like your style much better than the other BB staff. I believe you when you state your opinions. I know you stand by them, and you're your own man. The comparison of Ford and Domino pizza companies to this fractured pool industry is off the mark, and I think you must know this, deep down inside.

Jay is right on with what he writes. In reality, the players, the promoters, pool purists, and even those blue-blooded BCA industry members is what we have in this pool world. It is a close-knit family. In the history of pool in my lifetime, promoters work together to schedule around each other, with the exception of Charlie Williams. But we all know that Charlie Williams is the exception rather than the norm when it comes to working together with others.

Now, as far as the players go, I get it. They're all nestled in Vegas and don't want to leave. Of course, losing points on the BB league also is an incentive to stay. Promoters come and go in the pool world, as to players, but Greg is a long-standing valued promoter. My friend Brandon Shuff, along with Darren and others, I guess, asked to have their money back or canceled their appearance to come to Southern Classic after agreeing to come. The players have a right to do what they want, but the consequences will be that the promoters who supported them in the past, those promoters will not feel loyalty to those players anymore. If an independent contractor canceled a job on me in my business at the last minute after accepting it, I would never use them again. As all of you so rightly point out, there's other fish in the sea.

Professional pool is circling the drain. When Bonus Ball folds after their imaginary prospective investors fail to fund the operation, much like Trudeau and Ho with the IPT, the players will be left out to dry, with possibly bounced checks or no checks or maybe a payment plan over the course of a year or two. I know the feeling well.

Regional tours have prohibited pro players from competing in their events or have placed higher entry fees and brutal handicaps. Maybe Southern Classic, Derby City, Mark Griffin's enterprise will do the same. When BB folds, these pro players won't have too many competitions in America to go to, unless it's overseas. And who can afford that? Only players with fat stake horses, sponsors, and I can count on one hand who that is.

There is an integrity in the pool industry among those who work together. They just may be competitors in many respects, but they all know that if they don't work together, the pool world will be much worse off, kind of like what BB is doing right now. I feel it's tragic.

Best of luck to you, Lenny. I hope you don't quit your day job for BB. With a family to take care of, it sure is a risky venture to put all your eggs in one BB basket, but that's your business and not mine. Wishing you all the very best, as always!

I spell checked your post and corrected your errors which is a rarity, haha. I do appreciate your well wishes but like I said the players feel much as Darren does but most are not on here or will not speak it in fear of being blacklisted. The events will have just as good attendance if not better due to the Bonus Ball monies the players are receiving and also because they are allowed to choose what they want to play in.

Those who feel they can gamble and win in these events will but believe it that tournaments are gambling with the odds factor involved and the best have the best of it but anyone under top 5 will not make more than $50,000 a year because of huge expenses. These are facts you can see in black and white and it is sad.

Like you I feel Trudeau is not a bad guy in pool, he lost money on that or someone did, the players made money but it just did not work out. I really wished it could have worked out and all the players would be living well.
 
Bonus Ball is bigger then anything overseas, star factor and money wise for sure. Next season I bet there will be more Asian players and when I say Asian that is Pinoy players too because I spoke to Ronnie and Efren and they are all for it. :smile:



:eek:

That would be awesome!
 
This was my solution in another thread for the BCA events to Mark Griffin. I believe this could work if the players are accommodated.

I apologize for not being able to call, long day at the arena. My solution is simple really and I spoke to some of the players about it. We know the players Bonus Ball match schedules and if you can work around the time window they have to play which is usually for 3-4 hours then they can be accommodated to play in both as the venues are 10-15 minutes away. Those that I spoke to would like to play both if possible but understand we cannot shut down for that time period and like sure money.

Thursday and Friday there are 1 match each day which take up 3-4 hours of time and start at 6pm. The matches on Saturday and Sunday start at noon and run until 3pm and then the other matches start at 6pm and go until 9pm roughly so I do believe some players can be accommodated and if not and they are in the finals or deep in the money they can use an alternate to fill in at Bonus Ball. This is just my suggestion from an idiot cameraman. :smile:

P.S. Greg, I do not know the answer for Tunica. I believe the star performers will be there most likely but do not know if you are able to reschedule a match or wait on some of them for a full day which seems very unlikely. I would rather find solutions to problems then argue or point fingers. Perhaps players can fly in for their BB match and head right to the event after but financially it might not make sense for them to do.

Lenny,

Great post here! This post actually has solutions! Nathan said "it was $13,000 in rent preventing attendance" Then a solution was created when Mark offered to cover it weeks ago!

Now, you are suggesting BCA Us Open juggle match times! So, Mark's offer was objectionable and not accepted? I see the promoters being generous and flexible. But, bonus ball won't take one step to meet them half way??? For weeks not one offer! for weeks no one would say the REASONS for the double booking? When they do disclose the REASONS the offer to eliminate those concerns is deemed unacceptable!

I really believe Bonus Ball can not compete with Big Truck and Accu-Stats on content for that double booked time slots!!!! If I was Mark and Greg I would have FREE streams during the double booked matches!!! Try earning money when their product is FREE during the same time! FAT CHANCE!!! If Bonus Ball is so interested in its well being extend the season for one week for Tunica and allow BCA Us Open juggle things for that week like you suggested. That is compromise!!!!!!!

Bonus Ball should maybe get some ad space in exchange or a free booth at these events. Alot can be done with the old barter system. But, you guys have to ask and think outside the box!!!!

KD
 
Lenny,

Great post here! This post actually has solutions! Nathan said "it was $13,000 in rent preventing attendance" Then a solution was created when Mark offered to cover it weeks ago!

Now, you are suggesting BCA Us Open juggle match times! So, Mark's offer was objectionable and not accepted? I see the promoters being generous and flexible. But, bonus ball won't take one step to meet them half way??? For weeks not one offer! for weeks no one would say the REASONS for the double booking? When they do disclose the REASONS the offer to eliminate those concerns is deemed unacceptable!

I really believe Bonus Ball can not compete with Big Truck and Accu-Stats on content for that double booked time slots!!!! If I was Mark and Greg I would have FREE streams during the double booked matches!!! Try earning money when their product is FREE during the same time! FAT CHANCE!!! If Bonus Ball is so interested in its well being extend the season for one week for Tunica and allow BCA Us Open juggle things for that week like you suggested. That is compromise!!!!!!!

Bonus Ball should maybe get some ad space in exchange or a free booth at these events. Alot can be done with the old barter system. But, you guys have to ask and think outside the box!!!!

KD
Like I said my solution in your quote can work and cost really nothing so its a logical choice as the players are right down the street. I am willing to bet that there are more pro players this year in the US Open One Pocket, 10 Ball and 8 Ball then there was last year so all this BS you are seeing on the forums is just that sadly. With CSI's system they surely can make this work out. The $13,000 is rent and overhead cost, I believe $50,000 is the actually closer to the weekly nut since players and staff still need to be paid.

Bonus Ball is a business and they have been very flexible with the players allowing them to do almost whatever they chose to do. I know it is easy to say shut down for a week here and there when it is not your money or business but those monies do add up and cause issues. Bonus Ball is trying to bring a weekly show and consistency to a game that has not had that. Give it a chance is all I say, the misinformation on here is ridiculous but I do enjoy reading it with a cold one.
 
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Like I said my solution in your quote can work and cost really nothing so its a logical choice as the players are right down the street. I am willing to bet that there are more pro players this year in the US Open One Pocket, 10 Ball and 8 Ball then there was last year so all this BS you are seeing on the forums is just that sadly. With CSI's system they surely can make this work out. The $13,000 is rent and overhead cost, I believe $60,000 is the actually closer to the monthly nut.

Bonus Ball is a business and they have been very flexible with the players allowing them to do almost whatever they chose to do. I know it is easy to say shut down for a week here and there when it is not your money or business but those monies do add up and cause issues. Bonus Ball is trying to bring a weekly show and consistency to a game that has not had that. Give it a chance is all I say, the misinformation on here is ridiculous but I do enjoy reading it with a cold one.

Lenny, did you move your entire family to Vegas? Is that what I just read? :confused:
 
Of course they are the only big ones. Besides that there's no others in the U.S. on a regular basis.

Turning stone - twice
SBE
CSI/BCAPL
Derby Events -twice

Can't kill the six events that they have, cause after season 1, possibly 2, when bonus ball is gone they will be running back to these. Cause they sure and he'll are not going overseas, none of them can compete there.

That's it until at least the next tribe elections.

Derby - 2 weeks (4 total)
Turning Stone - 1 week (2 total)
CSI/BCA - 2 weeks (4 total)
SBE - 1 week

So Bonus Ball, who pays players $30,000 a week should take 11 weeks off? All on different times of the year? What about Mosconi Cup time? World events? What about the US Open? (if its back)

People are setting their sights on this one event or one period of time, after this passes it will be just on to the next complaint that Bonus Ball didn't reschedule because people wanted to play in the White Diamonds tournament to jump in on a huge Calcutta.

Anyone who runs a big tournament is likely respected (Mark, Zuglan, Allen, etc) it's not Bonus Ball going against tradition and other tournaments, it's them trying to maximize the opportunity they have during the off season of pool (now)

Summer IS the off season, no?
 
Derby - 2 weeks (4 total)
Turning Stone - 1 week (2 total)
CSI/BCA - 2 weeks (4 total)
SBE - 1 week

So Bonus Ball, who pays players $30,000 a week should take 11 weeks off? All on different times of the year? What about Mosconi Cup time? World events? What about the US Open? (if its back)

People are setting their sights on this one event or one period of time, after this passes it will be just on to the next complaint that Bonus Ball didn't reschedule because people wanted to play in the White Diamonds tournament to jump in on a huge Calcutta.

Anyone who runs a big tournament is likely respected (Mark, Zuglan, Allen, etc) it's not Bonus Ball going against tradition and other tournaments, it's them trying to maximize the opportunity they have during the off season of pool (now)

Summer IS the off season, no?

I think they mean that THIS SEASON, Bonus Ball should have scheduled around these events.

Next season, if there is one for Bonus Ball, all promoters can figure it out and work around each other. That is a different story altogether.

Bonus Ball stepped on everybody's toes by changing their start dates over and over again, and now they step on Greg Sullivan's Southern Classic. That is what seems to be sticking in everybody's craw.
 
I think they mean that THIS SEASON, Bonus Ball should have scheduled around these events.

Next season, if there is one for Bonus Ball, all promoters can figure it out and work around each other. That is a different story altogether.

Bonus Ball stepped on everybody's toes by changing their start dates over and over again, and now they step on Greg Sullivan's Southern Classic. That is what seems to be sticking in everybody's craw.

If this works maybe the promoters can reschedule the events during the off time for the players benefit, that would be great. I do not believe there was malice involved in the scheduling but like I said I am just a cameraman and forum member. :o
 
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