Boo on Actionhound

[Poolplaya9]

I know I'm gonna get drilled for this but that's ok. It's just my opinion. Ok, If everyone who keeps posting here is truly "sad" that Jay didn't get paid then why don't you all pull a whole $3 a piece together and pay Jay so he will not be out the $300. I'll make the first $3 donation.. Is it right and stand up that the guy didn't pay off? No, It's not.. But he's not the first nor will he be the last person who doesn't pay off. This stuff happens all the time and has happened to me before too. What I did was took a step back, Looked at the situation, and asked myself who needed the money more. The guy who didn't pay off or me. I let it go and decided to just never deal in money again with that person. Maybe at the time the guy did have the money, Had intentions of payin you, Then ran into a set of problems that just left him high and dry and couldn't afford to pay up. Maybe he never intended to pay up, Only he knows the answer to this no matter what anyone thinks. Apparently from what I have heard the guy did lose his job and is very tight on money. So what would you do in this spot? Would you pay off and not have enough money to pay your rent, Eat, etc. or would you just have to take a hit on yourself in order to survive? For anyone who says they would pay off instead of having just enough money to scrape by, I'm going to have to call you a liar.. Just my opinion. Jay, Why don't you be the stand up guy here that you are. You certainly don't need the $300.. That little bit of money is not going to change your life one way or the other, but to a guy that's just scraping by that $300 might mean the world to him. Cut the kid a break, Let him slide, Tell him people don't usually give total strangers a helping hand. Tell him to pass along the favor one day when he sees someone in need if he can help. and tell him if he ever gets back on his feet to remember what you did for him.. Maybe this guy one day will remember you, Maybe he will pass on the favor to someone in need.. Maybe he will not.. but at least you will know that you were a decent enough guy to cut someone a break when they were down and out.. Am I saying your not a decent guy? No, I'm not saying that. Am I saying you will not be a decent guy if you continue to try and collect? No, I'm not saying that. To close it out.. Was it right of this guy to take ends and not pay up? No, It wasn't.. Would I be upset if this happened to me? Of course.. Should you let people take advantage of you just because you have money and they don't? No, You shouldn't.. But sometimes it's ok to take a step back, Look at the situation, Then look at yourself and where your at and cut someone who less fortunate a break. Will everyone catch my view of this? Probably not. Like I said, Try to imagine yourself in this spot.. Just lost your job and struggling to survive.. What would you do.

I'll make the first $3 donation so Jay can get paid.. Who will join me?

This post is so far off base it is not even funny IMO. You absolutely cannot let him out of this debt. It will not teach him to pay the kindness forward. It will teach him that you can get away with screwing people.

If Actionhound had any character and wanted to pay his debt, he would sell his belongings to pay it off as another poster pointed out. I would bet lots of money that he owns at least one pool stick, and he certainly does not need it. Sell it and pay your debts. There are free sticks to use in every pool hall. And then again, he shouldn't be playing pool either unless it is free. He shouldn't be wasting money on drinks, or eating out, or movies or dates etc. All that money could be sent to Jay. He can start eating lots of hotdogs and ramen noodles. He can cancel his internet and cable. He can sell cameras, jewelry, and lots of other items he likely has laying around his house that could be replaced later.

If Actionhound had any character and wanted to pay his debt, he would have gone to Jay and said "I was able to sell a few things, here is $160, it is all I have right now. I am barely able to eat and keep a roof over my head because I lost my job and the only money I get is from begging neighbors and friends to let me mow their yards and do chores and handyman work around their houses. I will send you $5 a week to show good faith. As soon as I start working, I will send every cent I can spare starting with my first paycheck, and promise that I will have you paid off by my second paycheck. I am sorry this put you in a bind Jay and I will have you paid off as soon as I am possibly able to, and I will throw in an extra $50 for your troubles. I just want you to know that I feel really bad about this and will be doing everything I can to get it taken care of asap, and I appreciate you working with me." Had he done this, I have no doubt that Jay would have been as lenient as possible with his payment plan expectations, or he may have even forgiven some or all of the debt owed by a good guy who fell on some hard times.

But that is not what happened, and that is not what kind of guy Actionhound is. Actionhound chose to try to avoid paying the debt, and hope that he was not called on it. When he was pressed for payment, he lied and said a check was in the mail in the hopes that by the time Jay figured out for sure that no check was coming that he would just throw his hands up and do as you suggested, which would be to say oh well forget it, he probably needs the money worse than I do so I will just let it go and write it off. There is no way you can let a guy like this slide. Make him pay. He needs to learn to take care of his obligations like a man.

 

[JimS]

Keep the thread at the top. He'll feel the heat.

 

[worldison2]

I know I'm gonna get drilled for this but that's ok. I'll make the first $3 donation so Jay can get paid.. Who will join me?

Nineball, there are 400 posts on this thread and to say what you've said clearly indicates you have not followed the story. Jay doesn't want your money. It's not about the money for him. It's about exposing a scumbag, and he has presented his case rather well.

You seem to feel the need to let this guy off the hook. I guess PT Barnum had you in mind when he said "There's a sucker born every minute".

(End of drilling)

 

[!Smorgass Bored]

That's Why God Invented The BOP On The Nose

Keep the thread at the top. He'll feel the heat.

He's Banned....what heat is he feeling ?
Doug

 

[iba7467]

He's Banned....what heat is he feeling ?
Doug

Probably the heat from his landlord, his car title holder, the local pawn shop, and likely many more people he's not paying back.

 

[jay helfert]

I know I'm gonna get drilled for this but that's ok. It's just my opinion. Ok, If everyone who keeps posting here is truly "sad" that Jay didn't get paid then why don't you all pull a whole $3 a piece together and pay Jay so he will not be out the $300. I'll make the first $3 donation.. Is it right and stand up that the guy didn't pay off? No, It's not.. But he's not the first nor will he be the last person who doesn't pay off. This stuff happens all the time and has happened to me before too. What I did was took a step back, Looked at the situation, and asked myself who needed the money more. The guy who didn't pay off or me. I let it go and decided to just never deal in money again with that person. Maybe at the time the guy did have the money, Had intentions of payin you, Then ran into a set of problems that just left him high and dry and couldn't afford to pay up. Maybe he never intended to pay up, Only he knows the answer to this no matter what anyone thinks. Apparently from what I have heard the guy did lose his job and is very tight on money. So what would you do in this spot? Would you pay off and not have enough money to pay your rent, Eat, etc. or would you just have to take a hit on yourself in order to survive? For anyone who says they would pay off instead of having just enough money to scrape by, I'm going to have to call you a liar.. Just my opinion. Jay, Why don't you be the stand up guy here that you are. You certainly don't need the $300.. That little bit of money is not going to change your life one way or the other, but to a guy that's just scraping by that $300 might mean the world to him. Cut the kid a break, Let him slide, Tell him people don't usually give total strangers a helping hand. Tell him to pass along the favor one day when he sees someone in need if he can help. and tell him if he ever gets back on his feet to remember what you did for him.. Maybe this guy one day will remember you, Maybe he will pass on the favor to someone in need.. Maybe he will not.. but at least you will know that you were a decent enough guy to cut someone a break when they were down and out.. Am I saying your not a decent guy? No, I'm not saying that. Am I saying you will not be a decent guy if you continue to try and collect? No, I'm not saying that. To close it out.. Was it right of this guy to take ends and not pay up? No, It wasn't.. Would I be upset if this happened to me? Of course.. Should you let people take advantage of you just because you have money and they don't? No, You shouldn't.. But sometimes it's ok to take a step back, Look at the situation, Then look at yourself and where your at and cut someone who less fortunate a break. Will everyone catch my view of this? Probably not. Like I said, Try to imagine yourself in this spot.. Just lost your job and struggling to survive.. What would you do.

I'll make the first $3 donation so Jay can get paid.. Who will join me?

Thanks Nine Ball, but me getting paid was not why I started this thread. You may have missed some of the posts, but the topic of AZ'ers paying me came up earlier.

I started this thread to warn other AZ'ers about this guy, so they don't get burned by him. If he did it to me, he might do it to you. Got it?

You're right, I will be fine with or without the $300 (but I'd prefer with of course). I just didn't like the way he conned me into believing him, and then telling lie after lie afterward. But I guess you missed all that. It's all in here if you care to look.

I posted on AZ about this, because our arrangement to stake John Schmidt was made on here. We communicated through AZ and made an agreement via PM's. I have saved all my communication with the Hound, and it is very telling. He made a concerted effort to con me and would have succeeded if John had won.

The guy is nothing more than a cheap con man and deserves to be outed on here. I'm sure he pulls moves like this on a regular basis. By the way, I don't buy any of his crap about the lost job, and dire financial straits. This is the same guy who told me how flush he was two months ago.

He is a congenital liar, nothing more, nothing less. Other people can try to find excuses for his behavior, but I will not be one of them. I know his type well, satisfied to go through life conning and conniving at every opportunity. He has no conscience about all this, only a desire to get away with it.

What a way to live is all I have to say.

 

[corvette1340]

Thanks Nine Ball, but me getting paid was not why I started this thread. You may have missed some of the posts, but the topic of AZ'ers paying me came up earlier.

I started this thread to warn other AZ'ers about this guy, so they don't get burned by him. If he did it to me, he might do it to you. Got it?

You're right, I will be fine with or without the $300 (but I'd prefer with of course). I just didn't like the way he conned me into believing him, and then telling lie after lie afterward. But I guess you missed all that. It's all in here if you care to look.

I posted on AZ about this, because our arrangement to stake John Schmidt was made on here. We communicated through AZ and made an agreement via PM's. I have saved all my communication with the Hound, and it is very telling. He made a concerted effort to con me and would have succeeded if John had won.

The guy is nothing more than a cheap con man and deserves to be outed on here. I'm sure he pulls moves like this on a regular basis. By the way, I don't buy any of his crap about the lost job, and dire financial straits. This is the same guy who told me how flush he was two months ago.

He is a congenital liar, nothing more, nothing less. Other people can try to find excuses for his behavior, but I will not be one of them. I know his type well, satisfied to go through life conning and conniving at every opportunity. He has no conscience about all this, only a desire to get away with it.

What a way to live is all I have to say.

so, I'm guessing you still didn't get the check?

 

[lodini]

But what astonishes me is that a thread can go 394 posts and get 20,000+ hits when the topic is one slob who welches on a small obligation. Rotten to welch on a dollar and lie about it but 394 posts?

Then again, I just made it 395 so oh well.

(-:

There is a GREAT reason for this. Finally...a topic that everyone agrees on! We all spend a lot of time arguing about things cause everyone has different opinions, and then one of the most popular posters here gets screwed over causing everyone to finally come TOGETHER and UNIFY on one side of a subject! The message is clear... don't mess with the peeps on AZ Billiards. We will defend one of our own till the death! (or a billion posts, whichever come first

 

[9 on the snap]

It's gotta be on the light!

 

[JoeyA]

Be Sure You're Right, Then Go Ahead.

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If Actionhound had any character and wanted to pay his debt, he would sell his belongings to pay it off as another poster pointed out. Make him pay. He needs to learn to take care of his obligations like a man.

No one can make Jeff pay. I believe you are right and that he needs to learn to take care of his obligations like a man.

I may be the only one in this thread who actually believes that Jeff will do the right thing and that is pay Jay the money.

I know that Jeff is feeling a little besieged but if he looks within, he will see that there is no one else to blame for that except himself.

If I were him, I would pay the debt as he agreed to. Clear the slate and go on with his life.

If Actionhound does not pay the debt, his name will be forever associated with being a deadbeat and a man who cannot keep his word.

If he pays the debt in a reasonable amount of time (within the next couple of weeks), he can take back his reputation and be able to still say that he paid his debt but he did so reluctantly because of the way he was besieged by all of us. In perspective, he has that right whether any of us agree with it.

It is Jeff's best path but it is one he will have to make.

The stigmatism of not paying or continuing not paying will last a LIFETIME.

I hope Jeff reluctantly clears the slate and gets this over with. It has gone on too long and unfortunately, it will never go away until he pays his debt.

If he were a complete unknown, perhaps he could slide away never to visit AZ again but pool is his passion and he will always be known to the pool world.
We all make mistakes. If Jeff corrects this one, when asked about it in future years he can say that he resolved the issue on his own.

No amount of badgering is going to make Jeff pay. It has gone way past that. That being said, he has made Jay wait a rather lengthy amount of time for his money and that is enough of a stick in the eye, IMHO.

It is Jeff's call. I hope he makes the right one. It will positively or negatively affect him the rest of his life.
JoeyA

 

[Fatboy]

No one can make Jeff pay. I believe you are right and that he needs to learn to take care of his obligations like a man.

I may be the only one in this thread who actually believes that Jeff will do the right thing and that is pay Jay the money.

I know that Jeff is feeling a little besieged but if he looks within, he will see that there is no one else to blame for that except himself.

If I were him, I would pay the debt as he agreed to. Clear the slate and go on with his life.

If Actionhound does not pay the debt, his name will be forever associated with being a deadbeat and a man who cannot keep his word.

If he pays the debt in a reasonable amount of time (within the next couple of weeks), he can take back his reputation and be able to still say that he paid his debt but he did so reluctantly because of the way he was besieged by all of us. In perspective, he has that right whether any of us agree with it.

It is Jeff's best path but it is one he will have to make.

The stigmatism of not paying or continuing not paying will last a LIFETIME.

I hope Jeff reluctantly clears the slate and gets this over with. It has gone on too long and unfortunately, it will never go away until he pays his debt.

If he were a complete unknown, perhaps he could slide away never to visit AZ again but pool is his passion and he will always be known to the pool world.
We all make mistakes. If Jeff corrects this one, when asked about it in future years he can say that he resolved the issue on his own.

No amount of badgering is going to make Jeff pay. It has gone way past that. That being said, he has made Jay wait a rather lengthy amount of time for his money and that is enough of a stick in the eye, IMHO.

It is Jeff's call. I hope he makes the right one. It will positively or negatively affect him the rest of his life.
JoeyA

great post-very well said. I have done some bad things in life but never failed to pay a debt I owed from action(i dont count the times the 21 dealer miscounted and I would keep mybet when they thought it was a push)

when you cant/wont pay your peers in your world thats bad, even if he is in a bad spot hell make installments $50 would show good faith.

 

[Cuaba]

All these types need is an excuse. First it was "the check's in the mail." Then it was "I just lost my job." Then "you are rich and don't need the money." And so on & so on.

"You humiliated me on AZ and got me banned" will probably be his excuse from here on out. I don't think you'll ever see a dime. Sorry.

 

[Ed Simmons]

It will positively or negatively affect him the rest of his life.
JoeyA

I'm not so sure. Does anyone know who this guy is? I'm not seeing a Jeff Kesler from Pensacola anywhere in Google or the billiards world that really identifies a person. Anyone?

 

[av84fun]

Small obligation? 300 bucks isnt really that small. If John had won the ring game action hound would have gotten paid even though he didnt post. I hope this thread goes to 10000 posts and a million hits. Threads like this need to stay up, not ones on how women can compete with men in pool.

Fine. You choose to find something to argue about in virtually everything I post. Knock your socks off. So, let's just ask the man.

JAY...IS $300.00 A BIG DEAL TO YOU...OR IS IT THE PRINCIPAL OF THE MATTER THAT BOTHERS YOU?

SHEEESH!

PS: Stiffing someone is fundamentally wrong as I have stated. All I said was that I was surprised at how many posts this incident has generated. If you have a problem with that, that is your problem.

 

[yobagua]

Fine. You choose to find something to argue about in virtually everything I post. Knock your socks off. So, let's just ask the man.

JAY...IS $300.00 A BIG DEAL TO YOU...OR IS IT THE PRINCIPAL OF THE MATTER THAT BOTHERS YOU?

SHEEESH!

PS: Stiffing someone is fundamentally wrong as I have stated. All I said was that I was surprised at how many posts this incident has generated. If you have a problem with that, that is your problem.

It aint Disco that seems to controvert every discourse on a thread. He does not need to stir up contoversy nor have the need to feel good by defending the defenseless.

 

[merkyone]

funny there was a guy with same last name but different first name in the money at ft walton tourney... i'm not saying... i'm just saying

 

[bigskyjake]

funny there was a guy with same last name but different first name in the money at ft walton tourney... i'm not saying... i'm just saying

It wasn't Keff Jessler was it?

Jake ( I friggin knew it)

 

[Nine Ball]

Worthless Thoughts From Me

funny there was a guy with same last name but different first name in the money at ft walton tourney... i'm not saying... i'm just saying

Your talking of Eric Kessler.. Not the same guy.. I don't know this Eric guy but he comes to the pool room at times. Military guy I believe. As far as this guy not paying off, I would like to know how it's going to bother the rest of his life? I think some people think this is doing more than it really is. All this really did was get him banned and most likely lock up a no chance of a pay off. This Jeff guy is not a big name player, Not a traveling road player. Maybe 3 people on here know what he looks like. I personally don't think this hurts him at all other than the fact of losing his azb sign up name. Which if he wanted could come back under a different name and if he did any business just use a false name. Nobody would know.. I just think what I had mentioned in my last post would of been a good way to just end it because this endless thread is really not going to take you any place. Unless you just want to have something to do when you get online. It also gave you a shot at actually getting paid in the future when this guy got back on his feet. Which a shot seems more than you have now. But the way it has went even if this guy got back on his feet I seriously doubt he would want to pay now after all this. This is really like a pin in a stack. I understand you guys want everyone to know who this guy is so they don't do business with him, but in the end 90% of these people on here if not more will never ever come in contact with this person. As I said he's no big name nor a road player. Yes Jay, It sucks for you that you got an air sandwich.. They leave a bad taste in your mouth and I do know. But what are you really getting out of this other than something to do? Like I said.. I seriously doubt anyone on here will ever be in the same room as this guy. He's no big name player nor a road player. I know getting aired makes you mad as it's happened to me before too. You just gotta move on man. Personally it doesn't matter to me if this thread stays on top forever. Just my thoughts on it..

And if it happened to me on here I may have done the same as you. So I do not fault you. I just feel this had a shot at doing some good but after all this time it's not going to do any good. Just like with ChrisC.. Did it do any good? Not really. I'm not against you Jay.. Just my worthless thoughts on the situation as it now is.

 

[Nine Ball]

Sucker Free

Nineball, there are 400 posts on this thread and to say what you've said clearly indicates you have not followed the story. Jay doesn't want your money. It's not about the money for him. It's about exposing a scumbag, and he has presented his case rather well.

You seem to feel the need to let this guy off the hook. I guess PT Barnum had you in mind when he said "There's a sucker born every minute".

(End of drilling)

Oh and I'm as far from a sucker as you can get.. Believe that!! I grew up in a pool hall around all kinds of people.. Been in them since the age of 9.. If you get over on me I'll gladly shake your hand and tell you job well done..

Added: Not that I want you to try...

 

[Cuebacca]

Your talking of Eric Kessler.. Not the same guy.. I don't know this Eric guy but he comes to the pool room at times. Military guy I believe. As far as this guy not paying off, I would like to know how it's going to bother the rest of his life? I think some people think this is doing more than it really is. All this really did was get him banned and most likely lock up a no chance of a pay off. This Jeff guy is not a big name player, Not a traveling road player. Maybe 3 people on here know what he looks like. I personally don't think this hurts him at all other than the fact of losing his azb sign up name. Which if he wanted could come back under a different name and if he did any business just use a false name. Nobody would know.. I just think what I had mentioned in my last post would of been a good way to just end it because this endless thread is really not going to take you any place. Unless you just want to have something to do when you get online. It also gave you a shot at actually getting paid in the future when this guy got back on his feet. Which a shot seems more than you have now. But the way it has went even if this guy got back on his feet I seriously doubt he would want to pay now after all this. This is really like a pin in a stack. I understand you guys want everyone to know who this guy is so they don't do business with him, but in the end 90% of these people on here if not more will never ever come in contact with this person. As I said he's no big name nor a road player. Yes Jay, It sucks for you that you got an air sandwich.. They leave a bad taste in your mouth and I do know. But what are you really getting out of this other than something to do? Like I said.. I seriously doubt anyone on here will ever be in the same room as this guy. He's no big name player nor a road player. I know getting aired makes you mad as it's happened to me before too. You just gotta move on man. Personally it doesn't matter to me if this thread stays on top forever. Just my thoughts on it..

And if it happened to me on here I may have done the same as you. So I do not fault you. I just feel this had a shot at doing some good but after all this time it's not going to do any good. Just like with ChrisC.. Did it do any good? Not really. I'm not against you Jay.. Just my worthless thoughts on the situation as it now is.

So when is this dude gonna up the money?