nasc said:I grew up in New England. I saw Shorty play on a few occasions in the 80's. Does anyone have any stories about him? He was quite the character.
Back in the mid 1990's I was at the Cue & Brew in Branford, CT and a young, talented Frankie Hernandez was woofing at a surely past his prime Boston Shorty trying to get him to play.., Frankie kept offering Shorty the 8 but Shorty just sat there and would not even look up, he'd just say "Nope".., finally, a frustrated Frankie shouted, "OK!!, you got the 7-ball.., c'mon, let's go!!.., you got the 7-ball!!"..., Shorty looked up at Frankie, paused and said, "I waited all my life for the 7-Ball.., get the balls kid!"nasc said:I grew up in New England. I saw Shorty play on a few occasions in the 80's. Does anyone have any stories about him? He was quite the character.
Island Drive said:Boston Shorty, we called him back in the 'day' "the short man" looked like a cab driver...had an internal smile that drew himself towards you. I being easily 12+ inches than the short man, I marveled in his mannerisms.
Like the Fat Man ' ala Rudolph Wanderone, the "short man" syndrome surely won him allot of money back in the day.
Shorty...Johnston City IL 67-72 first saw Boston Shorty...a lady's man
Powder Down...Never saw a player/probably never will...played with a non-wrap cue he had to look UP to the tip, could not see the top/PUT a ton of baby powder into both his hands...rubbed the powder into the "whole" cue from shaft to butt, rubbed his hands together, clapped them with a nice poof of powder and some clap noise...then he was ready to play. He was a ball under Ronnie Allen back in the day, more like 1.5+ balls anywhoo.
Saw him in the 'back room' Johnston City, "ring game" (1970/69?). Shorty, The Springfield Rifle, Ed Kelly, Mexican Johnny and Searcy. The bet $50/30 on the 10/5 & doulble on run-outs. Shorty finally got a shot after 5 racks of ten ball being run before his first shot, he was hooked...hooked good". Quoted Shorty..."this is the Shits"...he was sick to see such easy run outs till his shot...he would of felt lucky just to 'hit' his ball let alone luck it in.
As I recall, that would have been May 1st, 1978 starting at about 4PM at the Sahara. It was Ceulemans' first match and he had just gotten off the plane from Belgium. He won the lag and got out to 60-8 in 26 innings for a 2.308 average. Since Raymond broke, Shorty got the equalizing inning starting from a break shot, so he goes up to the table needing a run of 52 to tie. He got two points from the break for a 60-10 loss and a 0.385 average for the match. Ceulemans had a better match in the final of the tournament against Kobayashi (who finished 2nd) with only 25 innings.12squared said:... 2) At one of the World tournaments held in Vegas in the late 70s or early 80s, Shorty was about to play against Raymond Ceulemans for the 1st time. Ceulemans was, by far, the best player that ever lived in those days and still might be. He was averaging over 1.5 billiards/inning in the days where that was unheard of. But Shorty being Shorty, he leaned over to Allen Gilbert, whom I was next to at the time, and out of the side of his mouth he whispers something like: "wait til he (Ceulemans) gets a taste of good old American oiyyyyyyyylllll." (meaning safety play). Shorty then proceeded to get beat like 50 - 8 or 10 & Raymond had his best billiard/inning average of the tournament. Again, we we're rolling in the aisles.
Bob Jewett said:As I recall, that would have been May 1st, 1978 starting at about 4PM at the Sahara. It was Ceulemans' first match and he had just gotten off the plane from Belgium. He won the lag and got out to 60-8 in 26 innings for a 2.308 average. Since Raymond broke, Shorty got the equalizing inning starting from a break shot, so he goes up to the table needing a run of 52 to tie. He got two points from the break for a 60-10 loss and a 0.385 average for the match. Ceulemans had a better match in the final of the tournament against Kobayashi (who finished 2nd) with only 25 innings.
Some other details are at http://www.sfbilliards.com/3c/Ceul02m.gif
A shot Shorty was known for was shooting the spot shot into the side pocket without the cue ball hitting a cushion. Think masse.
jay helfert said:So someone brings a 60ish Shorty out to the BCA tourney in the early 90's. He is entered in the Seniors division naturally. I had known him for 30 years and never saw him hit a ball on a bar table. He's practicing and the noted hustler King Kong notices that this old guy can play a little so he approaches him. One thing leads to another and soon they are embroiled in a six ahead set for 600. Two hours and three sets later, it's all over. Shorty has busted the great Kong.
I'm sitting there watching this slaughter. Finally KK turns to me and says, "Who is this old man"? I had to laugh. Shorty may have missed one ball and one or two run out opportunities. Afterwards he confided in me in that New England drawl of his, where everything sounds like a sneer. "Deesse tables are a jokkke"!
And for Shorty they were.
sixpack said:Do you think it's possible he stopped in Denver on the way?
I was playing the Colorado state 9-ball championships (early 90's) and a guy fitting the description (sixty-ish, short, wearing a hat and rotund) was hanging out watching some people play and he asked me if I wanted to gamble. I had never seen the guy and I was getting ready for a match, but I told him Dave Gomez would probably gamble...thinking I was giving Davey a fish.
Anway, Davey tells me "I don't know, he plays pretty good." and politely passed on the action. I had never seen that, after all, when the pros came to town, Davey was ready to fire a few barrels at them. I asked Davey later who it was and he said he didn't know, but he knew he played good.
I don't remember who it was, but somebody good (maybe Melvin Sharp) played him and man could that short, fat guy play. He ran out from everywhere. He won 5 games in as many minutes and the local guy quit. It was the best bar-box playing I'd seen to date and I was regularly playing with and watching Danny Medina and some of the other great barbox players in and around Denver at the time. It wasn't just that he was running out, but that every shot was perfect. There was a snap to the way he played. Hard to explain.
I've always wondered who that stranger was, maybe it was him?
Cheers,
RC
sixpack said:Do you think it's possible he stopped in Denver on the way?
I was playing the Colorado state 9-ball championships (early 90's) and a guy fitting the description (sixty-ish, short, wearing a hat and rotund) was hanging out watching some people play and he asked me if I wanted to gamble. I had never seen the guy and I was getting ready for a match, but I told him Dave Gomez would probably gamble...thinking I was giving Davey a fish.
Anway, Davey tells me "I don't know, he plays pretty good." and politely passed on the action. I had never seen that, after all, when the pros came to town, Davey was ready to fire a few barrels at them. I asked Davey later who it was and he said he didn't know, but he knew he played good.
I don't remember who it was, but somebody good (maybe Melvin Sharp) played him and man could that short, fat guy play. He ran out from everywhere. He won 5 games in as many minutes and the local guy quit. It was the best bar-box playing I'd seen to date and I was regularly playing with and watching Danny Medina and some of the other great barbox players in and around Denver at the time. It wasn't just that he was running out, but that every shot was perfect. There was a snap to the way he played. Hard to explain.
I've always wondered who that stranger was, maybe it was him?
Cheers,
RC
jay helfert said:Afterwards he confided in me in that New England drawl of his, where everything sounds like a sneer. "Deesse tables are a jokkke"!