Brazilian rosewood ID fun

Which piece in your opinion has the best tonal quality? Does your choice for tone also have, in your opinion, the best hit?

I am not familiar with all of the characteristics of all of those woods but am impressed by many of them.
 
They come in different variety.
From your pics, I couldn't really pick one .
 
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cochen rose, cocobolo, nogal walnut, amazon rose, Texas ebony, black walnut, Guatemalan rose, Madagascar rose, chechen, EI rose, zircote, Mayan rose, Asian ironwood, Brazilian rose, Brazilian ebony

The piece of Brazilian rose is very straight grain and more of a dirty red than chocolate. Structurally it's as good as rosewood gets. It's just not pretty. The color and straightness of grain are not uncommon in old stock rosewood. When big trees were cut & logs milled for lumber, that's the kind of wood that was produced. Completely different than the stump cut stuff being salvaged nowadays. IMO, the stump stuff is more attractive, but the old straight grain stuff is what made Brazilian rosewood a legendary cue wood. Personally, I could take it or leave it. Obviously there are plenty of substitutes, many of which equal or trump Brazilian in tonal characteristics and structure.

I overlayed the answers onto the photo for everyone's reference. Personally, from the photo, I would pick the Amazon Rose, the Guatamalan Rose, or the Chechen... if I got to pick my piece for a cue!

Crisp Rosewood.jpg
 
That's some incredible figuring in your Chechen.
It generally isn't that pronounced.
One of my fav woods BTW.

KJ
 
IMO, the cochen rose is the king of the group. It would be my go to if I were making a cue for myself. That said, I personally prefer a glassy, high pitch tone cue because it directly relates to a very hard, crisp, sensitive hit/feel. Brazilian rose has a lower frequency tone than the cochen, though very strong with great sustain. The lower tap tone relates to a milder hit/feel than the cochen, which feels a bit more 'natural' or comfortable for many folks. Anybody who likes Braz rose would equally like the Guatemalan, Madagascar, & Mayan, as they are very similar in tone. Amazon rose, Tx ebony, Br ebony, chechen, etc. are more dense, higher pitch tone, and IMO offer a harder hit. Throw some good mediums such as maples, satins, goncalo, etc. into the mix and you can create just about any hit/feel you desire. Mix and match different core woods and add that much more diversity & choice.

It isn't really a question of which wood is best, but rather what kind of hit/feel the player prefers. It's my belief that the butt of a cue gives the baseline personality, the shaft either accentuates or dampens it, and the ferrule/tip can be used to fine tune it. Of course that theory is subject to argument, but at this point in time with the experience I have, nobody will convince me otherwise.
 
That's some incredible figuring in your Chechen.
It generally isn't that pronounced.
One of my fav woods BTW.

KJ


Yeah I got several pieces like that. Got lucky & came across a big 8/4 board that I cut into squares. One of my favorites, too, but I don't use it as often as I would like. I think the last time I used a piece was in 06'. Same thing with a lot of woods. I find a load of some really special stuff, make a couple cues, then quit using it. I don't know why. I guess because I don't want to run out of something & then need it. I'm a wood hoarder :embarrassed2:
 
What do you think of Leopardwood?

It looks like a leopard? J/K

I'm not crazy about it. No doubt it has a place in cues, but IMO it should be used in moderation, conservatively. That's merely one man's opinion, so don't take it to the bank. I feel in my cues it could be suitable as a handle, points, rings, accents, etc. but I likely wouldn't use it as a forearm, unless it was an extraordinarily figured or colored piece. It's too lightweight and fragile for my taste.
 
I have a question. I'm not trying to be a smart ass but this occurred to me.

Since cue builders are some of the most knowledgeable people in the world when it comes to exotic woods and the group here is the cream of the cream and yet cannot identify most of the wood in the picture then how does the OP know it's really what he thinks it is without being there to cut down the tree? How does anyone really know?

JC
 
I have a question. I'm not trying to be a smart ass but this occurred to me.

Since cue builders are some of the most knowledgeable people in the world when it comes to exotic woods and the group here is the cream of the cream and yet cannot identify most of the wood in the picture then how does the OP know it's really what he thinks it is without being there to cut down the tree? How does anyone really know?

JC

Some is more obvious in it's finished form, but you're right...You never REALLY know. I shot with a Schon for years that I ordered from a retail outlet with two ivory ferrules. Was pretty ticked when I found out they were Ivorine years later. Had a player two weeks ago at a tournament show me her Alex Brick J/B in what she swore was Cocobola...it was obviously Diamondwood. Pretty darn nice J/B, though!

Most reputable custom makers will give you what you ask/pay for. There's a big difference between Brazilian and other Rosewoods in terms of availability, but some of the varieties are almost impossible to tell apart.
 
jc

vast difference in holding a piece of wood in your hands, feeling it, smelling it and looking at the end grain, i.e. looking at photos online.
 
Knowledge of Wood

I have a question. I'm not trying to be a smart ass but this occurred to me.

Since cue builders are some of the most knowledgeable people in the world when it comes to exotic woods and the group here is the cream of the cream and yet cannot identify most of the wood in the picture then how does the OP know it's really what he thinks it is without being there to cut down the tree? How does anyone really know?

JC

Eric knows more about wood than I thought was possible, I imagine there are a lot of cue builders that would like to know half of what he does. I just received a new Runde otherwise I definitely would of tried to get my hands on a Sugartree, but I like a really stiff cues and it seems that's Eric's preference, others may not at all.
 
"....It's my belief that the butt of a cue gives the baseline personality, the shaft either accentuates or dampens it, and the ferrule/tip can be used to fine tune it. ...."


Finally someone who knows what they're talking about, voiced it, and explained it so everyone can understand... The ENTIRE cue determines it's playability and feel...

THANK YOU Eric!

Now, if only we can cut and past this as the only post in every "hit' and "playability" thread we'd be golden...:)
 
IMO, the cochen rose is the king of the group. It would be my go to if I were making a cue for myself. That said, I personally prefer a glassy, high pitch tone cue because it directly relates to a very hard, crisp, sensitive hit/feel. Brazilian rose has a lower frequency tone than the cochen, though very strong with great sustain. The lower tap tone relates to a milder hit/feel than the cochen, which feels a bit more 'natural' or comfortable for many folks. Anybody who likes Braz rose would equally like the Guatemalan, Madagascar, & Mayan, as they are very similar in tone. Amazon rose, Tx ebony, Br ebony, chechen, etc. are more dense, higher pitch tone, and IMO offer a harder hit. Throw some good mediums such as maples, satins, goncalo, etc. into the mix and you can create just about any hit/feel you desire. Mix and match different core woods and add that much more diversity & choice.

It isn't really a question of which wood is best, but rather what kind of hit/feel the player prefers. It's my belief that the butt of a cue gives the baseline personality, the shaft either accentuates or dampens it, and the ferrule/tip can be used to fine tune it. Of course that theory is subject to argument, but at this point in time with the experience I have, nobody will convince me otherwise.
Not at a theory.
A fact.
That might not sit well with one-piece corers.
 
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