tigerseye said:
Not too much action in Asheville. They have a new room "Fat Cats" in Arden near Cue n' Spirits. Ask for Dana at Playworld on Merrimon...a fair 1 hole game from the line I get. :wink:
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Not too much action in Asheville. They have a new room "Fat Cats" in Arden near Cue n' Spirits. Ask for Dana at Playworld on Merrimon...a fair 1 hole game from the line I get. :wink:
tigerseye said:
Have you seen what 124th pays on the PGA tour lately? ($810K last year).
A better analogy would be a group of PGA pros showing up to play in a weekly golf league to rob the regulars. How long until the regulars quit?
If you want to build up a base of pool players you have to keep the pros and amateurs separate or you'll kill any efforts to grow the greater pool world.
MM
Let me ask you people a question? If any of you have kids and tell them they can have anything to eat they are most likely gonna say "candy". Of course any decent parent will not allow that. My point is you can't always give players everything they want. What would they do at the U.S. open if some players said we won't play if you let efren play. I promise you that they won't say ok little boys and girls you can have it your way. There is such a thing as right and wrong and it is wrong to tell a non pro that works 45 hours a week that he cannot play because other players will drop out otherwise.pooltchr said:
B_White...Well, you're certainly NOT an amateur either. There are plenty of tour events that you can play in...just not Viking Tour amateur events. Too bad if you don't like it...that's the way it is. Get over it, and go play on the tours you CAN play on...or quit playing. Everyone here is tired of your whining.
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
B_White said:
Brian, thanks for hitten me back with the letter. You seem to be a little calmer now.
Me, I just woke up out of a dead sleep and the craziest thing was that I dreamt Big Nasty stole my pants. Nasty was dancing around my apartment with my Mom in his underwear and the next thing I know he grabs my pants (I was in the shower dealing with the bears??) when all of this was going on then I chased him down into the street up a set of fire stairs and into a mall where I lost him by the food court.
I'm tellin'ya, it was a freakin nightmare. My Wife, Terrie was almost in tears laughing at me when I told her about the dream.
Anyway, on to the point. BW, if there was a tour structure that had say, 3 tiers, Amateur / Open-No-Pro / And Pro Only which events would you play in the most ?
Mj
Me, I just woke up out of a dead sleep and the craziest thing was that I dreamt Big Nasty stole my pants. Nasty was dancing around my apartment with my Mom in his underwear and the next thing I know he grabs my pants (I was in the shower dealing with the bears??) when all of this was going on then I chased him down into the street up a set of fire stairs and into a mall where I lost him by the food court.
I'm tellin'ya, it was a freakin nightmare. My Wife, Terrie was almost in tears laughing at me when I told her about the dream.
Anyway, on to the point. BW, if there was a tour structure that had say, 3 tiers, Amateur / Open-No-Pro / And Pro Only which events would you play in the most ?
Mj
tigerseye said:
Maybe they (we) do or not. That's not the point.
MJ is trying to build a tour system from the ground up. (I'm assuming a lot here based on what he's written). You stir up more interest in pool by attracting the largest group out there - amateurs - get them more involved in competitive play, all while showing sponsors that there is a target market for them to spend their advertising dollars on. Eventually you expand your open and pro events and bring those same sponsors to the table with "real" money so that pro pool players can start to make a real living.
If you don't delineate professional and amateurs us heartless players WON'T show up and you're shooting yourself in the foot.
I really feel for B. White here. He's gotten too good and doesn't want to quit his job to play a sport that won't reward his excellence.
I also understand why promoters of amateur events want to exclude players that would scare off their bread and butter.
We've got to support guys like Mike who have the vision of making professional pool viable.
MM
MikeM said:
MM, SHHHHH - don't be giving away my trade secrets. BTW, have you looked at the TOURNAMENT ANNOUNCEMENTS here on AZ today ? I think I am off to a good start - from the bottom up. Just a few more Amateur dates to book then were off to the Open. There will also be a PR in there somewher to in the near future. Also note that some of our sponsorships are changing over to new companies (1 listed right now) and those PR's have yet to be announced.
As I mentioned to BW in my 1st post. Please be patient and I am positive everyone will be pleasantly surprised.
Mj
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This is the last post on this subject for me. Scott Lee, the next time you see me come up to my face and call me a whiner or anything close. I'd love that.Scott Lee said:B_White...Well, you're certainly NOT an amateur either. There are plenty of tour events that you can play in...just not Viking Tour amateur events. Too bad if you don't like it...that's the way it is. Get over it, and go play on the tours you CAN play on...or quit playing. Everyone here is tired of your whining.
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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Brian...Oh, now you're a tough guy? I suppose you want to fight about being a whiner? No less than a few dozen posters here called you a whiner. You gonna take on all of us? 
If you don't think what you're doing here is whining, then you have bigger psychological problems than it appears. I stand by my statement...go find a playground that you can play on, and quit whining about the ONE you can't play on. Geez...
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
If you don't think what you're doing here is whining, then you have bigger psychological problems than it appears. I stand by my statement...go find a playground that you can play on, and quit whining about the ONE you can't play on. Geez... Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
B_White said:
huh?
I'm sorry, but what does cash have to do with heart? I'll play anybody, anywhere- and i'm no pro by far. Hell, i'll even pay for the lesson of the eventual lesson/ass-whoopin i'll probably take. But telling "amateurs" they have no heart i don't get. Next you'll tell me the chihuahua should get in the ring with the pitbull because he has heart. He's got heart, but it's a hell of a price to pay to show it. Not everyone is willing to throw money away so recklessly when they're looking at a one and done. I have a hard time getting good players to travel 3 hrs to a heavy tourney, let alone tossing in a couple of shortstops to whack you on the way. Hope it works out for you.
tigerseye said:
I'm sorry, but what does cash have to do with heart? I'll play anybody, anywhere- and i'm no pro by far. Hell, i'll even pay for the lesson of the eventual lesson/ass-whoopin i'll probably take. But telling "amateurs" they have no heart i don't get. Next you'll tell me the chihuahua should get in the ring with the pitbull because he has heart. He's got heart, but it's a hell of a price to pay to show it. Not everyone is willing to throw money away so recklessly when they're looking at a one and done. I have a hard time getting good players to travel 3 hrs to a heavy tourney, let alone tossing in a couple of shortstops to whack you on the way. Hope it works out for you.
Scott Lee said:...go find a playground that you can play on, and quit whining about the ONE you can't play on. Geez...
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Wow! Just think, these two will be under the same roof in a few months. Could get exciting.
there is what is fair, what is right, and what is practical
A business person has to do what is practical. Sometimes that means banning a friend. My best friend asked me to disappear for awhile. No problem, I was hammering his tournament every week and fully agreed my leaving was a good idea. Another tournament had a little tougher action. Me, the room manager, and another player were the cream with a couple of spoilers that could sneak in. That kept everyone interested.
Bottom line is that very few people feel like paying to play and counting themselves out of the money spots before the event begins. I have done it many times but always with the intention of cashing later and figuring that the fact I paid my dues early on should keep down some of the whining.
As I often say, at the end of the day the promoter has to do what pleases the most of the competitors most of the time. Fact of life if he wishes to stay in business.
A side note to Mr. White, none of us are guaranteed a living doing what we love. Pool was my first choice of how to make a living in '75. Common sense told me I had four or five better options.
Hu
A business person has to do what is practical. Sometimes that means banning a friend. My best friend asked me to disappear for awhile. No problem, I was hammering his tournament every week and fully agreed my leaving was a good idea. Another tournament had a little tougher action. Me, the room manager, and another player were the cream with a couple of spoilers that could sneak in. That kept everyone interested.
Bottom line is that very few people feel like paying to play and counting themselves out of the money spots before the event begins. I have done it many times but always with the intention of cashing later and figuring that the fact I paid my dues early on should keep down some of the whining.
As I often say, at the end of the day the promoter has to do what pleases the most of the competitors most of the time. Fact of life if he wishes to stay in business.
A side note to Mr. White, none of us are guaranteed a living doing what we love. Pool was my first choice of how to make a living in '75. Common sense told me I had four or five better options.
Hu
amateur events
mike ,have you considered letting guys of brian's caliber play in the events and let them go to 9 or 10 instead of seven.I understand no pros but some of the amateur guys are fairly close to brian's caliber and i dont think in those circumstances brian would have a picnic.he may even decide its too tough, but it would leave a choice
mike ,have you considered letting guys of brian's caliber play in the events and let them go to 9 or 10 instead of seven.I understand no pros but some of the amateur guys are fairly close to brian's caliber and i dont think in those circumstances brian would have a picnic.he may even decide its too tough, but it would leave a choice