Brunswick "American" made in China.

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I just bought a Brunswick Glenwood here in Minneapolis. The table I bought has a plaque that says Brunswick Authentic American.

I did not buy one on the Contender models, it is one of the Brunswick tables that I thought was a better made table that was really made here.

After it was set up I looked under it to see a paper sticker that says
"Made in China". I don't know whether to feel foolish or mad.

How long has Brunswick been doing this?
 
maybe part of it is made there and part isnt.

What is the sticker stuck on?

My table has italian slate. Its hard to make italian slate outside of Italy.
 
maybe part of it is made there and part isnt.

What is the sticker stuck on?

My table has italian slate. Its hard to make italian slate outside of Italy.


Here in Philly they sell "Italian Water Ice" . Are you telling me I've been had??:(
 
I just bought a Brunswick Glenwood here in Minneapolis. The table I bought has a plaque that says Brunswick Authentic American.

I did not buy one on the Contender models, it is one of the Brunswick tables that I thought was a better made table that was really made here.

After it was set up I looked under it to see a paper sticker that says
"Made in China". I don't know whether to feel foolish or mad.

How long has Brunswick been doing this?

Brunswicks have been made in china for quite some time now.
 
Brunswicks have been made in china for quite some time now.

That's right. Unfortunately, the "Authentic American" part of Brunswick's slogan is just that -- just a marketing slogan that was carried over from Brunswick's days of old. "But we are an American company, therefore we can say 'Authentic American' applies." Grrr!

The only truly 100% U.S.-made table is made by Diamond. Not even Olhausen tables are 100% U.S.-made; many of the components -- like the rail skirts and plastic buckets in the pockets -- are made in China.

-Sean
 
Brunswicks have been made in china for quite some time now.

Only Partly true. Some of the tables were made in South america as well for a time. I Installed Brunswick tables for years and a lot of there Furniture grade fancier style tables were made there. According to the brunwick rep at the time.... he said brunswick was a big enough company that they would set up shop where the wood they were using was butt that the tables were stil american....lmao. If you buy a brunswick table, just look on the boxes the installers are bringing in. Every box says either made in china, or brazil on the higher end stuff. Sad really that almost all table companies have set up shop in other countries. It's really sad that brunswick still uses the authentic american Spiel.
 
That's right. Unfortunately, the "Authentic American" part of Brunswick's slogan is just that -- just a marketing slogan that was carried over from Brunswick's days of old. "But we are an American company, therefore we can say 'Authentic American' applies." Grrr!

The only truly 100% U.S.-made table is made by Diamond. Not even Olhausen tables are 100% U.S.-made; many of the components -- like the rail skirts and plastic buckets in the pockets -- are made in China.

-Sean

Diamond don't make their own slate or cushions, matter of fact, they don't make the rail bolts or rail bolt inserts either...so, does that cut down that 100% American made a little too?;)
 
maybe part of it is made there and part isnt.

What is the sticker stuck on?

My table has italian slate. Its hard to make italian slate outside of Italy.

The sticker is on the cabinet. It is the main sticker with a the model name and number. The slate also has a certified Brunswick sticker from Brasil.

The table looks nice and plays way better that the no name I had before.
I like it, I just thought it strange that a company makes a big deal about "Authentic American" and does not mention anywhere that that it actually not made here. If it had a bold brass plaque stating "Authentic Chinese Craftsmanship" would that encourage as many buyers? I don't think so any more that someone buying a Porsche actually made in Taiwan, regardless of actual build quality.
 
Brunswicks have been made in china for quite some time now.

They were actually one of the first companies to head to China 15 years ago. They started with lower end home tables, then went to all home tables then went to the commercial line of tables. From the wholesaler point of view, their competition always made sure dealers knew Brunswick's "Made in America" status. We got letters or emails with pictures from our salesmen all the time as a selling tool. Brunswick altered their literature over 15 years ago from Made in America to American Tradition, An American Family Tradition, American Owned and several other takes. Its what Americans wanted. Cheaper tables. Dont blame Brunswick, they just gave the consumer what they asked for.
 
I just bought a Brunswick Glenwood here in Minneapolis. The table I bought has a plaque that says Brunswick Authentic American.

I did not buy one on the Contender models, it is one of the Brunswick tables that I thought was a better made table that was really made here.

After it was set up I looked under it to see a paper sticker that says
"Made in China". I don't know whether to feel foolish or mad.

How long has Brunswick been doing this?

False advertisement,send it back on a slow boat!
 
They were actually one of the first companies to head to China 15 years ago. They started with lower end home tables, then went to all home tables then went to the commercial line of tables. From the wholesaler point of view, their competition always made sure dealers knew Brunswick's "Made in America" status. We got letters or emails with pictures from our salesmen all the time as a selling tool. Brunswick altered their literature over 15 years ago from Made in America to American Tradition, An American Family Tradition, American Owned and several other takes. Its what Americans wanted. Cheaper tables. Dont blame Brunswick, they just gave the consumer what they asked for.

I don't think they got any cheaper but they probably got more profitable.
 
Diamond don't make their own slate or cushions, matter of fact, they don't make the rail bolts or rail bolt inserts either...so, does that cut down that 100% American made a little too?;)

Glen:

Come on, this is a bit of an exaggeration on your part. It is well-known that the slate for most tables comes from either Italy or Brazil. And Artemis cushions are well-known to be made in Germany. However, "rail bolts and rail bolt inserts" are not exactly major components or assemblies. I mean, would we really expect Diamond to have their own steel foundry in their back yard, melting down scrap steel and making bolts / bolt inserts? I don't think that's the spirit of the post or this thread.

Rail bolts and inserts are one thing; major components and assemblies are another. I would think that a table can call itself "Made in USA" if the slate is Italian, the cushions are German, and little things like the bolts and bolt inserts are made in, oh, I don't know, Brazil? (Brazilian steel is among the best.) We're talking about the craftsmanship of the table. That's the spirit of the post/thread, and is a big difference.

-Sean
 
Sad really that almost all table companies have set up shop in other countries. It's really sad that brunswick still uses the authentic american Spiel.

What truly is sad, is that North American companies find it absolutely necessary to farm their work out in order to make a profit. Why do you think that is? Do you believe that the companies that do this are just a bunch of money grubbing SOBs. Maybe in many cases they have to just to keep their
heads above water.

Hard to pay employees $20 plus an hour for work that can be performed
for a fraction of the cost.

Its a vicious circle. Everybody needs at least 20 plus an hour just to live and keep their heads above water, let alone have a bit of extra for some fun on occasion.

Why pay that when you can pay someone the equivalent of a small bag of rice and a couple of fish heads for exactly the same quality work.

Its not the peoples fault and its not the manufacturers fault. The necessities of North American life include large mortgages, fancy cars and large flat screen tvs with entertainment packages. Gasoline, trips and eating out several times a month.

I mean, we have to do it. Its force fed to us 24/7. We have to have this stuff or we take the risk of dieing a horrible death.

Really do I or any other members here really need 20 plus pool cues?
 
That's too bad. I was hoping it was just the sticker that was made in China.

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Authentic American - Made in China
 
Hard to pay employees $20 plus an hour for work that can be performed for a fraction of the cost.

Its a vicious circle. Everybody needs at least 20 plus an hour just to live and keep their heads above water, let alone have a bit of extra for some fun on occasion.

This is the vicious circle of free trade.

A person living over hear wants to earn at least a lower level middl-class income (say around 40K) and livin in a home that they can end up owning over a few decades of mortgauge payments,...

A persom making stuff overseas is willing to work for a few dollars a day and live in a slum because that is all they know and a few dollars a day is WAY better than the opportunities they had before.

Over here, again, the worker goes to the store to buy blue jeans and is faced with a choice of $12 china jeans versus $15 American jeans. He picks the cheaper jeans and the next day finds out his neighbor has just been laid off and the jeans factory down the street is closing because it cannot compete. So the buyer made the perfect microeconomic choice that results in terrible circumstances at the macroeconomic level. What is more, the buyer of the cheapo jeans is now going to foot the bill for his neighbors unemployment checks.
 
I don't think they got any cheaper but they probably got more profitable.


Definitely. If you look at their stock report only a small % of their money comes from the Billiards division. It is just from leasing their name or taking a commission of products or events that use Brunswick products. Nothing from manufacturing Billiard Products. Aramith has made the Centennial Balls for a few years now. They just jack up the price and give Brunswick a cut.
 
This is the vicious circle of free trade.

A person living over hear wants to earn at least a lower level middl-class income (say around 40K) and livin in a home that they can end up owning over a few decades of mortgauge payments,...

A persom making stuff overseas is willing to work for a few dollars a day and live in a slum because that is all they know and a few dollars a day is WAY better than the opportunities they had before.

Over here, again, the worker goes to the store to buy blue jeans and is faced with a choice of $12 china jeans versus $15 American jeans. He picks the cheaper jeans and the next day finds out his neighbor has just been laid off and the jeans factory down the street is closing because it cannot compete. So the buyer made the perfect microeconomic choice that results in terrible circumstances at the macroeconomic level. What is more, the buyer of the cheapo jeans is now going to foot the bill for his neighbors unemployment checks.

This sure does simplify things doesn't it? Well, the world hit 7 billion people today. Should we go on acting as if the only interest in the world is in the 330ish million that live in the US?

The problem isn't that Brunswick is a bunch of money grubbing SOB's, it's that the competition came along and sold more tables for a cheaper price. In order to compete in that market and to continue to be viable and not have to completely close their doors, they start making tables overseas to compete in that market.

As a result of the production of less expensive tables more and more of the world has been exposed to the game of pool. Yes, outside of the United States it has become available at a fraction of the previous cost. Pool cues, pool tables, balls, all of the accessories, everything associated with the game is now less expensive, meaning the world can participate in the game without having to be the wealthiest class.

Other than selfishly looking at things for the benefit of Americans and Americans only, how can it possibly be bad that more products are produced at a lower cost? How can it be bad that the country with the highest population has industrialized and is now producing!?!?

Oh yeah, we lose "jobs" over here. We should hinder the worlds growth, we should block production and we shouldn't worry that the world goes hungry while we protect "jobs" here?

Buy Brunswick because the table is quality made and an American company stands behind it. I wouldn't fret about buying the table from China, people are people, people made it, people benefited from your desire to have the table.
 
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