Brunswick GCI and AR-6100 Questions. Calling Experts!

realkingcobra said:
Almost all the GC1's & 2's came with either Brunstone or Bluestone. Brunswick didn't switch back to slate until the GC3's came out. Even the early GC3's didn't have real slate.

Glen
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Thanks RKC. I had heard recently that some of the tables didn't have slate, but I didn't know that most of them didn't have slate.! All the old rooms that I remember had the GCI or GCII. They seemed to play good though. Didn't they? LOL. It will be another Diamond for me!
 
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Very interesting thread. Glen, as you know we bought sixteen old GCII's and III's last year. All of them had grey slate that came with them. Now I'm thinking it is replacement slate. And yes, I do see swirl/grinding marks on many of them. You've seen all our slate piled up in the warehouse. Did you see anything that looked like Blustone?
 
realkingcobra said:
I believe that's Bluestone, look on the playing surface and see if you see the grinding marks from being finished, if there's no circular grind mark...it's not slate.

Glen
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I will look for swirl marks. Hopefully can capture a picture of the grind marks with my point and shoot camera.

I am still looking for some help on posting an excellent word document of 800kb in this post. The word doc describes when and how long each GC was made. It also shows the differences in apron attachments.

GC 1 (AR-6100) 1961-1974
GC II 1974-1976
GC III 1976-1997
GC IV 1997-2007?
GC V 2007-Present

My AR-6100 has adjustable leg levelers. The table was made in 1973.
Not sure why atthecat's 1963 AR-6100 would have adjustable levelers???
 
And my adjustable levered legs have the date 9-04-1963 written on them! The plot thickens! It's definitely a GCI. I'll post some pics later.
 
My table has adjustable feet on it. I was told that it was a late model GCI.

The slate on my table is bevelled at the pocket openings and has grind/swirl marks on it.

It was in the same house for 30-40 years and had only been recovered twice before I got it.

I am pretty confident that it is all original including the slate.

Next time I have it apart, I will check out the slate and take detailed pics to post up.

Thanks for the info Glen. :)

Russ......
 
This is getting odd. I saw the document that Mantool sent me and it indicates only slate for the I's & II's. It lists Brunstone as on option on the III's but says nothing about substitutes for slate on the GC1 or GC2.


ManTool: I will try to scan that word doc into a PDF and see if that brings it down below 100kb. I think the problem is the pics/drawings in the document. Thanks for sending it to me. :thumbup:

In the meantime anyone that wants it can shoot me a PM with your email address and I can send it to you.
 
jay helfert said:
Very interesting thread. Glen, as you know we bought sixteen old GCII's and III's last year. All of them had grey slate that came with them. Now I'm thinking it is replacement slate. And yes, I do see swirl/grinding marks on many of them. You've seen all our slate piled up in the warehouse. Did you see anything that looked like Blustone?
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No Jay, you don't have any bluestone at Fatboys. Bluestone looks like slate that someone spilled a blue tinted candle on, then smeared it all over the surface finish. It also feels very smooth to the touch.

Glen
 
poolhustler said:
My table has adjustable feet on it. I was told that it was a late model GCI.

The slate on my table is bevelled at the pocket openings and has grind/swirl marks on it.

It was in the same house for 30-40 years and had only been recovered twice before I got it.

I am pretty confident that it is all original including the slate.

Next time I have it apart, I will check out the slate and take detailed pics to post up.

Thanks for the info Glen. :)

Russ......
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Russ, the adjustable leg levelers did come out on the late model GC1's before Brunswick switched over to the GC2's, so you could call it a late model GC1 or an early model GC2. The slope in the pockets was no longer in use when Brunswick switched to the GC3's. I've never seen a GC with sloped pockets that was made of real slate, as they've always been either Brunstone or Bluestone.

Glen
 
KingCobra

All these years I thought I was playing on slate, was not slate. I've been mistakenly telling people that what set commercial pool rooms' Brunswick Gold Crowns from home tables is the slate, not plywood or slatetron.

Brunstone appears easy to spot, whereas Bluestone is not. As much as Dan Brown's Da Vinci Code recast the holy grail, your posting has done the same for my understanding of Gold Crowns. Dare say this could be heresy, but I thank you for your informative posting. The truth must come out.

Like the character in DaVinci Code, you may be targeted by an evil albino, but most likely watch out for white haired albanians offering to spot the 7.


realkingcobra said:
I believe that's Bluestone, look on the playing surface and see if you see the grinding marks from being finished, if there's no circular grind mark...it's not slate.

Glen
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There was also another feature in the GC I's and I think the II's also. They had the best pockets (Grey) this material never transferred any marks or debris too the balls.
 
Here are the pictures of the dates on my casters and legs. The plot thickens because the date is 9-10-63 but they are adjustable legs. The casters have the date 9-4-63 and they are aluminum.
Thoughts???
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Something's a little strange with the dating on your leg levelers, because I've never seen dates on any Brunswick leg levelers, in fact...I've never known Brunswick to date a table...only the series of production years per model.

Glen
 
Here is my GCII...........Is this the bevel on the slate you are refering to Glen? By the way................sorry about the pockets. After seeing your work, you will be invited to my house for the next recovering!!!

Slates were smooth, don't recall if there were swirl marks or not.

Mike
 

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tksix said:
Here is my GCII...........Is this the bevel on the slate you are refering to Glen? By the way................sorry about the pockets. After seeing your work, you will be invited to my house for the next recovering!!!

Slates were smooth, don't recall if there were swirl marks or not.

Mike
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Yes, that's the sloped pocket shelf I'm talking about:smile:
 
mine had dates on the leg levelers

mine had the same scratched in date looks like it was done in the mold before they pour the metal in they are bumped out it was 12-20-61 or something like that not all the dates were the same ether but within a day or two don't have pic of them i did have one from the rails before they were recovered ill try to put up. The slates are the brown ones Glenn told me they weren't real slate and not to worry about them
 
I did a table a while back were the castings had dates from 1962 and 63 like the above castings but my friend had a letter from brunswick for the upgrade from the factory to convert early 1 into adjustable feet like the GC2. The letter didnt say to much but that was one of only afew times I have seen a date on any parts. From what I have seen and heard I can only assume that it might be the date of either a retrofit kit or upgrade to the original GC Dates are rare and I have only seen them with what I thought were GC1 upgraded to GC2 or early GC2.

Craig
 
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