Buddy - Can Play One Pocket!

10 to 2 ?

mnorwood said:
Grady Matthews once played a legendary match with Buddy in Shreveport. Grady claims that he was playing some of the best pool of his life and still lost. Grady said that this particular match was one that he was proud of eventhough he ended up losing.

The other posters are right to doubt the size of the spot that Buddy has been giving. It also sounded rediculous to me at the time; I am only repeating what I heard. But think about it, there is maybe only one other player in the world that can match up with Buddy (Efren.) A player with his reputation would have to go to some extraordinary lengths to generate any action.
I am also a Buddy Hall fan and played in the one pocket tournament that he just won. There wasn't a player in the tournament he would or could give ten to two. He is a great player and I just watched him beat Santos in the 9 ball tournament, but that is stretching it a little. John Henderson
 
jrhendy said:
I am also a Buddy Hall fan and played in the one pocket tournament that he just won. There wasn't a player in the tournament he would or could give ten to two. He is a great player and I just watched him beat Santos in the 9 ball tournament, but that is stretching it a little. John Henderson

I agree. Top players like Buddy when they are in dead punch can give outrageous weight in 9-ball, and they can win by outrunning the nuts. In one-pocket it's impossible to outrun the nuts against strong players because even if you are playing perfect pool you can't leave them nothing ALL the time.
 
I just like Buddy and am real glad to see him win a tournament. HOOOORAY for the old farts!!!
 
Buddy's One Pocket Game.

I can honestly say that I haven't seen Buddy play all that much One Pocket. We go waaaaaay back and he played 9-Ball then. That is why I would have given ($500 of your money) & $50 of mine to have seen him play last week.
My comments about Buddy playing the best 9-Ball in the history of the game - Were Not mine. That came from Eddie Taylor & Jersey Red, 2 of the Greatest Ever.
I have seen both Buddy & Efren play 9-Ball, and although Efren is verrrrrrry impressive, That's the point. Buddy isn't impressive at all. Every shot is soooo easy, it looks like it could be done by anyone. Players used to say - "This guy will put you to sleep". It is not just his ball pocketing - It is his deliberate Pace that is so consistent. It takes him the same amount of time to shoot almost all shots. I can't tell you how many times that players & observers have said - "Hell, I can play like that - He never shoots any shot that I couldn't make every time"!
They call Efren "The Magician" & for good reason. He is fantastic and almost impossible to believe when he plays. The things he does with the Cue Ball are magical.
"BUDDY IS BORING"!

TY & GL
 
Buddy Hall

mnorwood said:
From what I have been told Buddy learned alot of what he knows about one pocket from one of the games all time great players. Buddy spent alot of time with Eddie Taylor and even lived in Shreveport for a time. I also heard that Buddy is living in New Orleans and is giving everyone a 10/2 spot in one pocket but still no one will play him.
Buddy does not live in New Orleans. So far as I know, he and his family still reside in Tampa, Florida. He's not giving anyone 10-2 that I know of. I myself would have to consider taking 10-2, and I'm a "B" player... ;) I believe he oftentimes gives good shortstops something around 11-6 or 11-5. BTW, it's not Buddy who plays cards-- it's Smorgassbored, the redoubtable Tampa Tubby Bob!

Doc
 
wayne said:
Of the well known 1-pocket players I would rank them:

1. Efren
2. Cliff Joyner
3. Shannon
4. Scott Frost
5. Jose Parica
6. Buddy Hall

Then you have a whole bunch that are close or in this class.

Wayne
I dont know if you're talking about nowdays or days gone bye but I would have put Ronnie Allen somewhere on that list. I admit I haven't seen him play in many a year but I know as OHB says" In the old days" he was supposed to be the king of the 1H
 
Ronnie

whitewolf said:
Billiards Digest ranked Ronnie Allen as possible the best one pocket player ever. Did you forget him? Or are you just condidering the ones who aren't too old to be a serious threat.

Ronnie can still play pretty sporty (he knocked me in the loser's bracket in this tournament), but he is not going to beat anyone on this list anymore, and has gambled with most or all of them in the last few years with a little weight. His game is still impressive, he just isn't going to put too many 8 and outs together now. If any of the people on this list can play as good as he does at 66, they will be lucky. Old Has Been is right, Buddy's game looks a little boring because he plays such good position and solid safeties all the time, but he can make a spectacular shot if it is the only option, and he did this a few times in the tournament. Hooray for us old guys, Ronnie and I are both over 65 and cashed against a very tough field. John Henderson
 
jrhendy said:
Ronnie can still play pretty sporty (he knocked me in the loser's bracket in this tournament), but he is not going to beat anyone on this list anymore, and has gambled with most or all of them in the last few years with a little weight. His game is still impressive, he just isn't going to put too many 8 and outs together now. If any of the people on this list can play as good as he does at 66, they will be lucky. Old Has Been is right, Buddy's game looks a little boring because he plays such good position and solid safeties all the time, but he can make a spectacular shot if it is the only option, and he did this a few times in the tournament. Hooray for us old guys, Ronnie and I are both over 65 and cashed against a very tough field. John Henderson


Again my congratulations on your and Ronnie's fine finish is such a great field, John. I remain in your debt.
 
hemicudas said:
Uh-oh, here we go again. I think I'm out on it this time. Freddy, Dogginda9 or any of you others help your self, LOL.
Hemi, hopefully this thread will warm Freddy up to THIS forum as well, huh? I've read two other threads in two other forums where you and Fred figured very prominently, as it should be. I know you know what I'm talking about. Those were the greatest things to read since Mark Twain!
 
Ronnie WAS "The King" @ One Time

IMO & Memory - Back in the Johnston City days and the following few years, Ronnie was considered THE BEST One Pocket Player. There were a lot of One Pocket players though that didn't get the notoriety that Ronnie got. Clem, Joey Speath, Ed Kelly, Squirrel, CornBread & lets never forget Eddie Taylor Or Jersey Red.
Ronnie (IMO) kind of changed the One Pocket game from ALL Defense to almost ALL Offence. I, and many others sometimes referred to his style as "California One Pocket" compared to the old standby "East Coast One Pocket".
Ronnie would rattle many an opponent because when you thought you had him completely trapped, he would be off taking a drink & talking to someone and quickly approach the table and shoot a perfect offensive shot that most had never seen before. Ronnie had the B.S. to go along with the hustle of his game. Ronnie always knew the two most important aspects of making $ at pool. He knew "HOW & WHEN TO WIN"!

TY & GL
 
I'm sure I know.

lewdo26 said:
Hemi, hopefully this thread will warm Freddy up to THIS forum as well, huh? I've read two other threads in two other forums where you and Fred figured very prominently, as it should be. I know you know what I'm talking about. Those were the greatest things to read since Mark Twain!

I'm sure I know what threads and sites you refer to, lewdo. I find nothing associated with pool more interesting than old war stories. Freddy has always played one pocket above me. Hey, most of um played over me for that matter. I do, for some reason, remember virtually all of the interesting war stories that I have seen or been involved in.

Having lived in the Chicago area for 20 years I have seen a lot of action. I could write an entire book on just one of the Chicago legends, Rocket man. The late great Chris Cass use to run with Rocket Man. It would be interesting for some of the Chicago area players to relate a few Rocket Man stories. I know Freddy and Dogginda9 could enlighten everyone to the exploits of this unforgetable dude.
 
I guess Buddy can still play 9-Ball also....

I just hung up the phone with Buddy and he said he was getting ready to play Mark Haddad in 5 min. He has beaten Billy Palmer, 9-4 & Santos Sambajon, 9-7.
I told him this is 2005 & not 1975. He said - "NOT TO HIM"!

Good Luck Buddy - Go get them young'ns!

TY & GL
 
Watchez was Z? I don't think so.

watchez said:
He knew how to find a backer with a lot of cash and then dump him.


There is only one way someone can state for a fact that, X dumped Y to Z and that is if the person making the claim is Z himself. Otherwise, the person making the claim is nothing more than a hateful, slandering, pool player “Wannabe”, that if he were honest would have to say, “Well, I heard someone say that X dumped Y”. Repeating slanderous drivel as fact only reflects on the person making the statement. Children often do this. I am sure Watchez still rolls houses with toilet paper and wets the bed.

I only ask that you consider this. Who would you trust more, Keith McCready, Buddy Hall, Mike Segal, Steve Mizarak, Bill Staton, Jimmy Reid, Sonny Springer and an endless list of others,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, or this child, Watchez?

Yea, thought so.
 
Last edited:
hemicudas said:
There is only one way someone can state for a fact that, X dumped Y to Z and that is if the person making the claim is Z himself. Otherwise, the person making the claim is nothing more than a hateful, slandering, pool player “Wannabe”, that if he were honest would have to say, “Well, I heard someone say that X dumped Y”. Repeating slanderous drivel as fact only reflects on the person making the statement. Children often do this. I am sure Watchez still rolls houses with toilet paper and wets the bed.

I only ask that you consider this. Who would you trust more, Keith McCready, Buddy Hall, Mike Segal, Steve Mizarak, Bill Staton, Jimmy Reid, Sonny Springer or an endless list of others,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, or this child, Watchez?

Yea, thought so.

Well, Watchez, may be the greatest dumper of all time. All I have ever seen him do is dump on other people on this forum. Maybe, he needs to have a dump in order to clean himself out a bit.

Wayne
 
  • Like
Reactions: JAM
hemicudas said:
There is only one way someone can state for a fact that, X dumped Y to Z and that is if the person making the claim is Z himself. Otherwise, the person making the claim is nothing more than a hateful, slandering, pool player “Wannabe”, that if he were honest would have to say, “Well, I heard someone say that X dumped Y”. Repeating slanderous drivel as fact only reflects on the person making the statement. Children often do this. I am sure Watchez still rolls houses with toilet paper and wets the bed.

I only ask that you consider this. Who would you trust more, Keith McCready, Buddy Hall, Mike Segal, Steve Mizarak, Bill Staton, Jimmy Reid, Sonny Springer and an endless list of others,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, or this child, Watchez?

Yea, thought so.

If I saw it with my own two eyes do I still have to qualify it like you said. And my good friend that backed him and got taken can qualify it also.

Would you back Ronnie Allen?

And as far as the pool player "Wannabe"....Hemicudas, bring yourself to St Louis and you got action. The Break has a tournament in August. You got plenty of time to get back into stroke. Get off the porch and come see me. Bring Ronnie and we can play a partner game. Or on my next trip to Tunica, I will be sure to look you up.

When will people stop making 'excuses' for someone in the pool world just because they feel that they are a better player than someone else. Maybe this is the #1 thing wrong with pool. At least in other sports, the wrong doers are policed by a governoring body or the media itself. And I am not even talking about the 'major sports'. Bicycle racing, track and field, etc. all clean up their sport. I could careless that someone can draw their ball if they are someone I wouldn't even want to think about inviting into my house or on my front porch. Take a deep breath and think about that.
 
hemicudas said:
There is only one way someone can state for a fact that, X dumped Y to Z and that is if the person making the claim is Z himself. Otherwise, the person making the claim is nothing more than a hateful, slandering, pool player “Wannabe”, that if he were honest would have to say, “Well, I heard someone say that X dumped Y”. Repeating slanderous drivel as fact only reflects on the person making the statement. Children often do this. I am sure Watchez still rolls houses with toilet paper and wets the bed....

Hemicudas, there are some folks in this world who, for whatever reason, derive pleasure from demeaning some of the very players who are legends in the sport/game.

Louie Roberts is a hero, according to regional pool fans in the St. Louis area, and Ronnie Allen, who traveled the same road as Louie, receives mean-spirited posts from those who are in their thirties and were not even old enough to actually know these two players when they were in their prime, like you. I think you get the picture, Hemicudas! Deja vu? ;)

To stay on topic of the thread, it sure is a great win for Buddy Hall, and it warms my heart to see him shine in the winner's circle! :)

JAM
 
Last edited:
hemicudas said:
There is only one way someone can state for a fact that, X dumped Y to Z and that is if the person making the claim is Z himself. .

Hemi,
I see your point; but wouldn't X and Y also have some knowledge of the event (though I guess your point may have been that Watchez himself wasn't X or Y). Unfortunately I have witnessed players bragging about their dumping exploits - I tend to accept their version of the story. I wonder how many episodes go unrevealed. Just because no one will admit it happened, doesn't mean it didn't happen (Bill Clinton has taught us that "deny, deny, deny" is an acceptable way to handle these things). I will totally agree with you that no one without firsthand knowledge of the situation should be spewing on the internet.

On the other hand, I like the internet's global reach. Without AZB I would never have known to avoid matching up with the "Boston Boys."
 
Buddy's win is a great story, and it proves one undeniable truth.

You can't teach an old dog new tricks, but that old dog may already know enough tricks to tear you to pieces.

Well played, Buddy.
 
Well - Now - It's all up Hill For Buddy!

Buddy lost to Mark Haddad who must be playing awfully good. He (Mark) also won two big mini's this last week. Buddy now has to fight his way through the loser’s brackets and I THINK that stamina is going to play a big part in HIS outcome. I can only hope for the best and sure hope I didn't jinx him by whishing him GL 5 min before the match with Mark.

TY & GL
 
Back
Top