Buddy Hall Question
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Keith McCready
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Duck said:
I was over there at the Red's tournament in Houston. Buddy Hall was rated the best 9-ball player in the country at that time. This was when Efren Reyes entered his first big tournament here in the States, going by the name of "Cesar Morales."
After Red, myself, and a couple other people pooled our money together, we decided to match Buddy up with "Cesar." They played even 9-ball, a race to 15 for 4 large. Buddy Hall ended up beating him two sets. The second set was closer than the first one.
To make a long story short, I have not seen Buddy lose either, especially when he wanted to put up his own money and play even. Didn't matter who he played. If he liked it, I liked it.
Duck said:
I saw Buddy lose two straight sets to Dan Louie at Greenway biliards in 1977. They were playing for $2,000 a set using a huge cue ball and playing heads up. Both players had backers if I remember correctly. Dan was beating evryone in the South and they brought Buddy in to take him off and it backfired. Hemicudas was there also.
Lunchmoney
sjm said:
In his autobography, Buddy admits to having lost two times playing even. He did not mention Dan Louie but like Lunchmoney said, it happened. He admitted losing once to a true road player that never played tournaments and most players have never heard of, Andy Oguine(sp). Andy was a quarter horse trainer from Amarillo, TX but if he was in stroke, just like Dan Louie, he was capable of beating any walking human. The other loss Buddy admits to was on the bar table to another pure road runner named John Henry Neil.
These are flukes. I believe Buddy took these unknown players too lightly. He allways bore down playing the likes of Efren, Mike and others.
Thanks Keith
Keith , I appreciate your reply, I think Buddy has been so good for the game for so many years and while I know its fashionalbe to concentrate on the new younger players , I still enjoy the artistry smooth stroke and deliberate nature that a player like Buddy brings to the game. Keith I wish you the best and thank you for your story about Jersey Red's tournament, I miss watching him play one pocket as well. Take Care , the Duck
Keith McCready said:I was over there at the Red's tournament in Houston. Buddy Hall was rated the best 9-ball player in the country at that time. This was when Efren Reyes entered his first big tournament here in the States, going by the name of "Cesar Morales."
After Red, myself, and a couple other people pooled our money together, we decided to match Buddy up with "Cesar." They played even 9-ball, a race to 15 for 4 large. Buddy Hall ended up beating him two sets. The second set was closer than the first one.
To make a long story short, I have not seen Buddy lose either, especially when he wanted to put up his own money and play even. Didn't matter who he played. If he liked it, I liked it.
Keith , I appreciate your reply, I think Buddy has been so good for the game for so many years and while I know its fashionalbe to concentrate on the new younger players , I still enjoy the artistry smooth stroke and deliberate nature that a player like Buddy brings to the game. Keith I wish you the best and thank you for your story about Jersey Red's tournament, I miss watching him play one pocket as well. Take Care , the Duck
sjm, I asked Buddy that same question a couple of weeks ago at the Carolinas Open and he said Jose would never play him.
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onepocketchump
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I talked to Buddy about this once and he said that he told the Filipinos, Reyes, Bustamante and Parica, that they could each put up $10,000 and play him one set each for the cash and they declined.
Danny Medina has claimed that he beat Buddy getting the eight once and once playing even.
John
Danny Medina has claimed that he beat Buddy getting the eight once and once playing even.
John
onepocketchump said:
I'm sure you are right, OPChump but in the early 1980s Buddy and Efren had stakehorses and they did play a $10K set with Buddy winning. There were a few $10K sets played after that by Efren but not against Buddy. Efren played and beat Nick Varner and others.
hemicudas said:
You gotta be very impressed with the guy when someone has to go back over 25 years to remember when he lost playing even. I lost playing even twice already this month and it's only the 3rd LOL
Lunchmoney
Buddy on tape...
I've got Buddy on a couple of Accu-stats tapes beyond his prime and carrying around a lot of extra pounds. He played great with a stroke smooth as butter, but I was wondering if anybody could recommend some accu-stats tapes of Buddy when he was really in his prime.
I've got Buddy on a couple of Accu-stats tapes beyond his prime and carrying around a lot of extra pounds. He played great with a stroke smooth as butter, but I was wondering if anybody could recommend some accu-stats tapes of Buddy when he was really in his prime.
MBuddy ...
Buddy came through Wichita in mid 70's, right before he turned Pro. IMO, he was the best roadplayer overall ever. He took on all challengers down at Burke's Steakhouse (Papa Burke was famous in these parts for some kind of action). We played a $20 challenge game and he gave me the 7 ball (I had only been up from Houston for about a year), and I came out on top. He asked me if I didn't have something else I had to do ... and then gave me the 8 ball and I did not like that game very much ... It is just one of the memories I have from Pool ...
My ex-wife, Linda, was from Kennett, Mo., and I used to travel about 30 miles when down there visiting to Caruthersville, Tn, where Buddy hung his hat for quite awhile. I walked into a Poolroom there, got a $20 game, and won over $400 in 2 hours. I kind of liked the place ...
Buddy came through Wichita in mid 70's, right before he turned Pro. IMO, he was the best roadplayer overall ever. He took on all challengers down at Burke's Steakhouse (Papa Burke was famous in these parts for some kind of action). We played a $20 challenge game and he gave me the 7 ball (I had only been up from Houston for about a year), and I came out on top. He asked me if I didn't have something else I had to do ... and then gave me the 8 ball and I did not like that game very much ... It is just one of the memories I have from Pool ...
My ex-wife, Linda, was from Kennett, Mo., and I used to travel about 30 miles when down there visiting to Caruthersville, Tn, where Buddy hung his hat for quite awhile. I walked into a Poolroom there, got a $20 game, and won over $400 in 2 hours. I kind of liked the place ...
shortstroke
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in the late 60's and early 70's it was widely known that you could win shreveport if you beat buddy. i remember lots of players leaving with their pockets empty. lots of great stories and action at the guys and dolls poolroom during those years. i bet $bill knows a bunch of them.Duck said:
Buddy
Hey Keith,
A small correction, my friend. The bet was $4,500.00, per set. I put up 500 myself.
I was in on that match, but it was 10 ball, not 9-ball. Efern refused to play 9 ball, and thought he had the best of it playing 10 ball...
This was the first time they ever played.
Efern melted during the first match when Buddy had a straight in with the cue ball 1/2" off the bottom rail at the first diamond, and the 9-ball, 1/2" past the side pocket but straight in the corner. No way to cut it in, or follow it to get back to the bottom rail where the 10 was laying. Buddy jacked up punched the cue-ball, slammed the 9 in the corner up table, drew the cue ball back to the lower rail and won that set.
Before they played, Buddy and i sat and watched Efern, play off and on for a couple of days. Buddy studied his play and told me, I can beat him.
He did just that.
Efern won the tournament and Wade Crane was first runner up.
When Jose Parica, was coming to the states for the first time, his friends said to steer clear of Buddy Hall, cause he was the best and gambled real good. Many of there friends said never gamble with Buddy.
As most of you know, Buddy and I have been the best of friends for over 40 years. We have been on the road many times over the years. We are the best of friends.
I think he was the best at one time.
He has a pure stroke,steady hands and a very strong will to win.
Best position player of all times in my opinion. Many may disagree, but they would of had to been there as Keith and I were for many years, to agree.
Buddy won an impressive 13 of 14 tournament in a row.
Buddy can play through the stack, and seems to never distrube the balls the way there laying. just pays around all and runs out, time and again....
Closest man to have a simular stroke is Mike Gulyassy, [babys-pro-shop]...His style of play is real close to Buddy's....
At this same tournament, Efern played Mike Seigal, a race of rotation, in a back room. No contest, Efern won easily over captain hook......That was also for $4,500.00. One game............
blud
Keith McCready said:I was over there at the Red's tournament in Houston. Buddy Hall was rated the best 9-ball player in the country at that time. This was when Efren Reyes entered his first big tournament here in the States, going by the name of "Cesar Morales."
After Red, myself, and a couple other people pooled our money together, we decided to match Buddy up with "Cesar." They played even 9-ball, a race to 15 for 4 large. Buddy Hall ended up beating him two sets. The second set was closer than the first one.
To make a long story short, I have not seen Buddy lose either, especially when he wanted to put up his own money and play even. Didn't matter who he played. If he liked it, I liked it.
Hey Keith,
A small correction, my friend. The bet was $4,500.00, per set. I put up 500 myself.
I was in on that match, but it was 10 ball, not 9-ball. Efern refused to play 9 ball, and thought he had the best of it playing 10 ball...
This was the first time they ever played.
Efern melted during the first match when Buddy had a straight in with the cue ball 1/2" off the bottom rail at the first diamond, and the 9-ball, 1/2" past the side pocket but straight in the corner. No way to cut it in, or follow it to get back to the bottom rail where the 10 was laying. Buddy jacked up punched the cue-ball, slammed the 9 in the corner up table, drew the cue ball back to the lower rail and won that set.
Before they played, Buddy and i sat and watched Efern, play off and on for a couple of days. Buddy studied his play and told me, I can beat him.
He did just that.
Efern won the tournament and Wade Crane was first runner up.
When Jose Parica, was coming to the states for the first time, his friends said to steer clear of Buddy Hall, cause he was the best and gambled real good. Many of there friends said never gamble with Buddy.
As most of you know, Buddy and I have been the best of friends for over 40 years. We have been on the road many times over the years. We are the best of friends.
I think he was the best at one time.
He has a pure stroke,steady hands and a very strong will to win.
Best position player of all times in my opinion. Many may disagree, but they would of had to been there as Keith and I were for many years, to agree.
Buddy won an impressive 13 of 14 tournament in a row.
Buddy can play through the stack, and seems to never distrube the balls the way there laying. just pays around all and runs out, time and again....
Closest man to have a simular stroke is Mike Gulyassy, [babys-pro-shop]...His style of play is real close to Buddy's....
At this same tournament, Efern played Mike Seigal, a race of rotation, in a back room. No contest, Efern won easily over captain hook......That was also for $4,500.00. One game............
blud
shortstroke said:
I wish Jimmy Sanders had a computer or if he does, posted on this site. Jimmy knows all the stories at Guys and Dolls. Seems to me, Bob Dancer was always there too. You are right, shortstroke, when Buddy lived in Shreveport they all took a shot and I don't remember any of them leaving with cash.
How many times did Louie Roberts get the 7 ball from Buddy there and get beat-up with it before he finally won? To this day, Mike Segal will tell you the toughest 9 ball player he ever played was Buddy Hall.
Blud is sooooo right, no one ever had or has the smooth, steady stroke with that pause before pulling the trigger that Buddy has. If you ever noticed, on the last draw back of his stroke, the ferrule often comes completely out of his bridge. It is the most perfect stroke I have ever seen.
Then you have Keith's stroke. Oh hell, it works well for him, lol.