Buyers Beware!!!!!! There Are Cue Pimips Here On Az Billiards

[asiasdad]

does those pimips have any hookers .i'll take one to go

the only hookers they have are their own syphilitic rectal sores.

These diseased vermin on this site simply need to be chased off each
and every time they post a cue at a great deal because
it has proven each time to be a shill game.

 

[smokey]

pls accept my sincere appology to you all and especially our young members here on az

to all of you, i must say i am deeply sorry for my very bitter and distasteful remarks. i am ashamed of myself.

before i was a member on az, i had less than a handful of wonderful friends. now i have more than two handfulls.

i did not behave as the respectful person i was taught to be.

and to the young children and teens here, i am particularly ashamed. i did not act as a gentleman should. so for your sakes only i will tell you what i would have done.

"if" i bought 2 cues from a seller here and i found out that another az'er offered full price and was being screwed, i would ship the cues to the honorable buyer even at a loss of money. no matter how wonderful others said the seller was, i would never be happy to own, or even sell those cues.

i would not gloat. i would not use the same thread to re-sell the same cues!! or worse, send a pm to the honorable buyer trying to re-sell them.

to me you honor yourself and your family by living with honor. and dealing with honor in all things in life. to me there is just no escaping this. there is 'no exit' to honor. you either have it or you don't. it is absolute.

so i can just say i am ashamed of myself for fighting for honor with words and expressions i expressed that were improper for this forum with all you wonderful young people here. our future champions. and my choices of words that i used for you to see was a great mistake on my part. so i hope you can one day understand what i said and did was not cool. and pls accept my sincere appology.

but i have and always will fight for honor and integrity. i wish i could tell about 2 stories in my life. but no one would believe, actually it is more maybe 4 or 5 stories, but 2 were heart stopping with guns pulled on me. its amazing what you do in those circumstances. and honor and integrity and steadfullness saved my life and anothers life. there is nothing in life to replace honor and integrity.

mr. wilson, i know i promised you i would be a good boy. i wasn't last night. i am sorry i broke my word to you. but i am grateful you deleted the thread. it was too much for all of us, especially me. pls accept my appology for breaking my promise and for being disresptful to others.

miles

 

[smokey]

my appology

dupe post, sorry

 

[manwon]

to all of you, i must say i am deeply sorry for my very bitter and distasteful remarks. i am ashamed of myself.

before i was a member on az, i had less than a handful of wonderful friends. now i have more than two handfulls.

i did not behave as the respectful person i was taught to be.

and to the young children and teens here, i am particularly ashamed. i did not act as a gentleman should. so for your sakes only i will tell you what i would have done.

"if" i bought 2 cues from a seller here and i found out that another az'er offered full price and was being screwed, i would ship the cues to the honorable buyer even at a loss of money. no matter how wonderful others said the seller was, i would never be happy to own, or even sell those cues.

i would not gloat. i would not use the same thread to re-sell the same cues!! or worse, send a pm to the honorable buyer trying to re-sell them.

to me you honor yourself and your family by living with honor. and dealing with honor in all things in life. to me there is just no escaping this. there is 'no exit' to honor. you either have it or you don't. it is absolute.

so i can just say i am ashamed of myself for fighting for honor with words and expressions i expressed that were improper for this forum with all you wonderful young people here. our future champions. and my choices of words that i used for you to see was a great mistake on my part. so i hope you can one day understand what i said and did was not cool. and pls accept my sincere appology.

but i have and always will fight for honor and integrity. i wish i could tell about 2 stories in my life. but no one would believe, actually it is more maybe 4 or 5 stories, but 2 were heart stopping with guns pulled on me. its amazing what you do in those circumstances. and honor and integrity and steadfullness saved my life and anothers life. there is nothing in life to replace honor and integrity.

mr. wilson, i know i promised you i would be a good boy. i wasn't last night. i am sorry i broke my word to you. but i am grateful you deleted the thread. it was too much for all of us, especially me. pls accept my appology for breaking my promise and for being disresptful to others.

miles



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Smokey, is a straight-up guy, he says what he means and he means what he has said to a point. Some of his comments were made out of anger, but none were Blatant or truly insulting. I was involved in the thread in question until it was deleted, and I ready every post. Under the circumstances and in the manner Smokey was treated by the individuals who created this entire situation, many of us would have acted far worst. Smokey, even with the words said, which were very sedate from my perspective, you still have my respect and will continue to. Where I come from you do not have to be the tallest person in the room but you do have to stand-up when all else fails.

Have a good night man, and don't sweet the small stuff!!!!!!!

 

[smokey]

You want a nice MINT South West... We have one, I'll knock it down to 2150.00 we'll pay shipping anywhere in the US. It's on our site for 2350 or something like that... E-mail me at the website e-mail...

JV

hi joe,

thanks for your offer. but i want - unplayed if posssible or a beater for me (at a very cheap price) for league.


your rep is inpecable. i would buy from you even sight unseen.

thanks for your great offer.
miles

 

[smokey]

Not that I want a cookie or anything, but this scenario just happened to me. BigJohn offered 700, or was it 750 on a cue I was selling. I took it. One hour later, a guy from Germany offered a grand. I kept my original deal because I promised. I let BigJohn know that if he wanted to flip the cue, I knew who to call. I could have given some BS excuse and took the grand. But, Karma and goodwill will come back. Believe it.

crawfish - i believe it. you have honor and integrity. thank you for that!

miles

 

[smokey]

You mean like this,O MY poor Truck,Hey they are form the south west.

greg, i love your cue, it is just like my sw, only better with the kamui tips.

but your gilrs need lipo. sorry but they do!!

 

[smokey]

On my case sales I am often offered more by one buyer than another. Several of you have gotten the PM from me that the case is already sold. Even if it means I make less money on a case it is far more important to keep the integrity intact.

Because as I know well the pool world is very small and you will see the same folks many times on the same road. Better to be able to go up to them with a smile and good greetings than to have to cross to the other side of the street and hope they don't see you.

Whenever I sold a case at a show I always told people that I made them good because I'd have to see them again next year at the same show and I wanted to be able to sell them another one.

good point john!

 

[smokey]

Yes this is a very frustrating thing to have people like this conducting business in the same forum as honest folks, I am sure you all know what I went through ( http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=74128 )and yes I was very frustrated when it happened, but I guess it just wasnt meant for me to have that cue, such is life, speak your piece and let others know to avoid these people, just try and look at it like Sony told C in The Bronx Tale if you only lost $20 you got off cheap and you no longer have the bum in your life.

Have a nice night all
Sean

sean, if i remembe correctly your offered less than full price. and a cop (yes?) was shot and really needed the money for life. i think the cue was sold for full price (800) but you lowballed is at 750. my opinion - it was a 1m to 1.2m cue. and particularly under the circumstances you were trying to take advantage, and to me unkind. if i am correct out of shear desperation she got the cue price lowered to 800, but you still only offered 750 for a cop who was shot and needed money for life, not for a silly game of pool. i love thhis silly game, but i would never take advantage especially under the circumstancees. that cue if i remember was worth more than 1m. to me and i know you from your post, you acted poorly. and have no gripe. if you want to be a fool like me, gripe only when you offer full price and do not get it. sorry for my honesty.

 

[smokey]

Hi Craig,

I have read the previous thread before and it sound like the cues were sold legit to Mike. I think Brett had a pretty good reputation as I think I may have dealt with him before.

Somehow, I just don't understand why these guys would go through all that trouble to make a few hundred dollar if that. I hear your argument but I still don't see how you come to the conclusion that these individual try to smoke Mr. Smokey. What if (maybe a big IF) Brett really did sell the cue to Mike because he responded before Mr. Miles (Or Brett agreed to a deal) and Mike just wanted to flip the cues? Somehow, I just can't understand why they would go through all the work to make a extra hundred on a secure deal. I must say I was really tempted given the price...as I've sold ebony SW for $2500+++ fairly easy to the right buyer.

If I was the one who brought the cues legit because I had first crack at a great deal....and decided for what ever reasons that i wanted to sell it to make a profit.....why would this be an issue? It's business. One of my friend year ago had a beautiful szamboti that he sold at a pool hall for $10K...after this buyer bought it...he goes to another interest party in the same pool hall 5 minutes later and sold it for $15K...that's one of the best flip stories that I've heard. But my buddy was happy with his 10K...he would have love to met the guy that would offered him 15K...thought. But sometime, you got to be at the right place and right time. Point is that sometime people are willing to pay a premium to get what they want.....and they'll be happy. The guy who bought the cue for 15K ending up selling for double his investment years later. So it seem everyone win in this situation.

I buy and sell cue on the side as a hobby, sometime I come across a great deal and flip for profit. It's the same for most cue dealers that I know that buys and trade and sell for a profit. So far, I still haven't heard from Brett on the matter and I think he would be able to clear up the matter very easily and I thought he did in his thread. Just my opinion...on the matter. Also, it seem the Mod are starting to remove any thread that deem not good for this board as it starting to affect the buy and sell section negatively.

Regards,
Duc.

duc, i am smokey or miles, screen name/real name. i read your post, and it left me wondering: do you know all the facts? okay, if you do, fine. but my az friend i think you do not. i think i know better. so why post a beautiful long winded statement? what do you know of all of this? fine, post and post what you like, but you are not even a 20th party in this, so do you think your post holds any value to anyone. do you think others need to read your words, because you know what you are talking about. fine, keep on posting. your value we can't live without.

miles

 

[smokey]

I chose to think of it like this, these individuals are no longer in my life, in fact they do not even exist to me!!! We as members of this forum need to learn to take care of each other. Our strength is in numbers, and while some of us chose not to be vocal, thats OK,and not necessary. Because the goal should be to watch each others back, when we see something going down that is not right!!! Contact others who care, if not in the post through a PM and bring this behavior to light. By watching each others backs and helping each other out, these people who wish to act in a dishonest manner will have no where else to go except away!!! There is no need to be disrespectful, threatening, or anything else, the only thing that should be done is expose bad behavior, and ensure that the buyer is aware of who they are dealing with and the persons past reputation.

Thanks for your participation in this thread!!!

manwon, i am an old man. i am a little wise somtimes and a fool at other times. but i have to say that you are the most wise man i know.

thank you for your thoughts. your caring about us all. your decency. your remind me of Soloman from the bible.

thank you from my heart,
miles

 

[manwon]

Hi Craig,

I have read the previous thread before and it sound like the cues were sold legit to Mike. I think Brett had a pretty good reputation as I think I may have dealt with him before.

Somehow, I just don't understand why these guys would go through all that trouble to make a few hundred dollar if that. I hear your argument but I still don't see how you come to the conclusion that these individual try to smoke Mr. Smokey. What if (maybe a big IF) Brett really did sell the cue to Mike because he responded before Mr. Miles (Or Brett agreed to a deal) and Mike just wanted to flip the cues? Somehow, I just can't understand why they would go through all the work to make a extra hundred on a secure deal. I must say I was really tempted given the price...as I've sold ebony SW for $2500+++ fairly easy to the right buyer.

If I was the one who brought the cues legit because I had first crack at a great deal....and decided for what ever reasons that i wanted to sell it to make a profit.....why would this be an issue? It's business. One of my friend year ago had a beautiful szamboti that he sold at a pool hall for $10K...after this buyer bought it...he goes to another interest party in the same pool hall 5 minutes later and sold it for $15K...that's one of the best flip stories that I've heard. But my buddy was happy with his 10K...he would have love to met the guy that would offered him 15K...thought. But sometime, you got to be at the right place and right time. Point is that sometime people are willing to pay a premium to get what they want.....and they'll be happy. The guy who bought the cue for 15K ending up selling for double his investment years later. So it seem everyone win in this situation.

I buy and sell cue on the side as a hobby, sometime I come across a great deal and flip for profit. It's the same for most cue dealers that I know that buys and trade and sell for a profit. So far, I still haven't heard from Brett on the matter and I think he would be able to clear up the matter very easily and I thought he did in his thread. Just my opinion...on the matter. Also, it seem the Mod are starting to remove any thread that deem not good for this board as it starting to affect the buy and sell section negatively.

Regards,
Duc.

Duc, you say you read the thread, well then you must also know that Smokey responded to Brent in the beginning before the deal went through. Now as you say ( So far, I still haven't heard from Brett on the matter and I think he would be able to clear up the matter very easily and I thought he did in his thread. ) I also read the thread and somebody is not telling the truth, Brent says he sent a PM to Smokey and Smokey says he never received it, to date Smokeys word is as good as gold. Then as if it were magic later Brent announces the cues were sold, and the buyer contacts Smokey to resell cues not even in his possession as yet. Why buy them and go through the trouble as you say for that? Why did Brent post a price and when it was met by a buyer, pass the buyer over to resell to another buyer?

Duc, no offense you believe what you want, and you conduct business the way you want also. As you say(I have read the previous thread before and it sound like the cues were sold legit to Mike. I think Brett had a pretty good reputation as I think I may have dealt with him before.) well continue to deal with him or whoever else you wish to, that is your right.

However, if people do business like this others want to know, and they have the right to know. Duc you also said the following(Somehow, I just don't understand why these guys would go through all that trouble to make a few hundred dollar if that. I hear your argument but I still don't see how you come to the conclusion that these individual try to smoke Mr. Smokey. What if (maybe a big IF) Brett really did sell the cue to Mike because he responded before Mr. Miles (Or Brett agreed to a deal) and Mike just wanted to flip the cues? Somehow, I just can't understand why they would go through all the work to make a extra hundred on a secure deal. I must say I was really tempted given the price...as I've sold ebony SW for $2500+++ fairly easy to the right buyer) Duc, this is exactly what also makes no sense to me about Brent!!! He was offered his requested price days before the end of the sale, why did he not take what he asked for, and why ask if that is not what you want in the first place

No offense Duc, your opinion is as good as anyones. However, we will have to agree to disagree!!!!!

 

[21Gambler]

Unreal

sean, if i remembe correctly your offered less than full price. and a cop (yes?) was shot and really needed the money for life. i think the cue was sold for full price (800) but you lowballed is at 750. my opinion - it was a 1m to 1.2m cue. and particularly under the circumstances you were trying to take advantage, and to me unkind. if i am correct out of shear desperation she got the cue price lowered to 800, but you still only offered 750 for a cop who was shot and needed money for life, not for a silly game of pool. i love thhis silly game, but i would never take advantage especially under the circumstancees. that cue if i remember was worth more than 1m. to me and i know you from your post, you acted poorly. and have no gripe. if you want to be a fool like me, gripe only when you offer full price and do not get it. sorry for my honesty.

WOW you need to get your facts straight.

What I offered has nothing to do with how this sale was handled, she offered the cue to me then sold it to another person, how wrong and unprofessional is that, and no $800 wasn't the full price, $800 was her counter offer to my $750, if $50 is low balling, WOW there are a bunch of lowballers on this site, I was not trying to take advantage of anyone, if anything I was helping as I offered to sale the cue back to him when he was better, the thread was dead for over a month by me making the offer of $750 in the first place produced a sale otherwise thread would still be dead and no cue sold. There was no desperation if there was why was the thread dead for over a month. Sorry for your honesty how funny, you cant be honest about some thing you have no clue about. I mean you are the only person that has this bizarre understanding on that thread.

Oh and I don't think you would have such a fond respect for the police if you were threatened and thrown in jail by them over some thing you did not do, and had 7 witnesses that were there telling the police that he did not do that, 7 witnesses that I did not know for squat at that ( and yes these witnesses overheard the police officer threatening me and swore out statements to my lawyer ), turns out the person making the accusations was a very good friend of the police officer ( a police officer that was out of his jurisdiction at that ). And yes I can and may press charges against the officer and falsely accusing person. This is one instance that has restored my faith in my fellow human beings as if these 7 people would not have taken time out of there schedule to show up in court on my behalf, I would have been royally screwed.

Smokey its obvious you did not read this whole thread, and yet you try and make judgement on me and it, well I'm sorry I just lost all respect for you after the way you acted in the other thread ( which I was overlooking because you were mad ) but then now passing judgement on me with out even reading and understanding what you are criticizing about, this is UNREAL is all I can say. I wish you the best sir in all that you do.

Have a wonderful day all, even you Smokey

Best wishes Sean

 

[smokey]

sorry, what did you say?

 

[smokey]

sean

say what??

 

[21Gambler]

Sorry Wrong again

if i can remember correctly they lowered the price to 800. correct? but you still only offered 750. is that correct or am i mistaking on that.

i can only remember that i felt you did something wrong in that deal. maybe i am wrong and you can clarify it for me. not that you did something terrible, but that you did not offer enough money to close the deal.

miles

No that is incorrect you are mistaken, and Thank you for the apology but why are you still trying to find fault after you just admitted you were wrong. Miles I know you can read why not take a few minutes of your time go back and re-read the thread so you can make an informed decision about it, as its not hard to find, seeing I posted a link to the thread in my post, but to help you out and make it even easier for you here is the link again ( http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=74128 ). If you have any further questions please feel free to PM me and I will be happy to answer all your questions, but posting out here in the public is for sure not helping you, as you are showing you say things with out proper knowledge of the situation you are commenting on.

Take care all
Sean

 

[JB Cases]

I propose that any thread on this section of the board which does NOT contain in the first post an offer to BUY or SELL something be immediately deleted.

Please put the disgruntled transaction endless threads somewhere else. All this passing judgement is making me nauseous.

Please somebody find me a quote where Jesus Christ ever said "I am honest" or "I always tell the truth".

One thing Jesus DID reportedly say is this, "let he who is WITHOUT SIN cast the first stone."

We have ALL been screwed over in deals - I am STILL OWED around $40,000 by people who bought Instroke cases and cues and NEVER PAID me. Almost all of these folks had great reps and were "honest". Guess what? I will NEVER see this money, never. But life goes on.

Nothing Nothing Nothing will be resolved by the endless rehashing of this deal and now other past deals gone bad - you all said your piece now let it go.

For once I am the one who has had enough with an endless thread. What is the world coming to? ;-) Peace

 

[smokey]

21 i read all the posts - here is what i found.

Here's how it went down. At 12:35 AM I PMed her and said I'll take the cue for 800 and I would paypal her the money right after she posted her last thread. She said great and we proceeded from there. Nobody told me or her how to properly conduct a sale on AZ when we started on here. Now she is feeling terrible but like she said I contacted her right after she posted that she would take 800 for it. I dont think there is anything else that her or I need to explain. If you guys think she was unprofessional about it she wasn't. All this has blown out of proportion and she wasn't trying to screw around with anyone. I talked to her that night about it. 750 though to be honest is a little bit of a low ball offer coming from the standpoint the guy is in the hospital and needs money. The cue is worth more than 800 bucks and I think everyone knows it. They already dropped in 200 bucks just to drum up some money for the poor guy. Sorry if anyone is mad about it but next time I should've said I"ll take it or I want it. I went ahead and PM'ed her on it right after because the first thing people do usually is check their PM's. She didn't know what the exact proper procedure is either. Bottom line is I told her I would give her the asking price before the offer to her was even offered. End of story.

and further:
Plain and simple. From what I gathered from her is that she needed to get 800 for the cue for him. I PMe'd her that I would paypal her 800 plus 3 % and she said great. It sounded to me like she could not go back and forth to the hospital with offers to the injured policeman. She actually emailed me and felt bad she caused all this stir. She did not know what the proper procedure was and I am apologizing for her because she feels terrible and doesn't want to get involved. If I stepped over 21 I didn't mean or intend to. I've got some very nice cues and thought the Schon was a nice cue for the money. Half of me was buying the cue because I thought it seemed to be going to a good cause also. I think she was in a tough spot trying to help someone out who is in need of money right now. That's all I have.

and most others agreed lisa did nothing wrong. she was despirate to help a cop who was shot to have some money.

your offered 750 and the cue sold for 800, but my guess was worth 1m to 1.2m and you cry. well good, you deserve it.

have a nice day.

 

[21Gambler]

You are a lost cause, shame I was on your side when I posted my first message here and now I'm being attacked by you and I did nothing wrong, everybody on that post was on my side and agreeing with me only person that was posting otherwise was the purchaser. It would be easyer for you to just say Im sorry and leave it as you made a mistake, instead of attacking a person that was on your side to begin with.

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I will offer you $750 shipped



hello 21gambler i ask the family of my friend who owns this cue an they said they would take $800
shipped priority mail if your still have any intrest? thanks could'nt respond to your first offer with out talking to them first. thank you lisa


Ok thats fine it sounds like its for a family in need, tell your friend when he gets better and if I still have the cue I will sell it back to him. Do you take paypal

Thanks Sean

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I will offer you $750 shipped



hello 21gambler i ask the family of my friend who owns this cue an they said they would take $800
shipped priority mail if your still have any intrest? thanks could'nt respond to your first offer with out talking to them first. thank you lisa
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I hope this helps show the dates and times

 

[21Gambler]

I sent her the first message on 11-22-07 which you can see the thread was dead at that time last post was a month earlier 10-23-07, and she first sent back a rude reply of ( WOW really thanks but no thanks ), then she bumped up the thread on the 11-23-07, then she sent me the next private message at 11:03 Pm 11-26-07 saying ( hello 21gambler i ask the family of my friend who owns this cue an they said they would take $800
shipped priority mail if your still have any intrest? thanks could'nt respond to your first offer with out talking to them first. thank you lisa ), then at 11:17 Pm 11-26-07 she posted it to the forums for everyone. I replied back to the offer saying I would take it 5:16 AM 11-27-07 only 6 hours later, and during a time I doubt she was communicating with the family.
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Originally Posted by 21Gambler
I will offer you $750 shipped



hello 21gambler i ask the family of my friend who owns this cue an they said they would take $800
shipped priority mail if your still have any intrest? thanks could'nt respond to your first offer with out talking to them first. thank you lisa


Ok thats fine it sounds like its for a family in need, tell your friend when he gets better and if I still have the cue I will sell it back to him. Do you take paypal

Thanks Sean