Buyers Beware!!!!!! There Are Cue Pimips Here On Az Billiards

unfortunately i think it sucks , bad business and borderline dishonest , but thats the way life is , captialism at its best and worse. i mean if a fellow does this crap atleast he or she should have tact enough not to relist it at a higher price that is just being an arsehole. the practice is not rare thou just overlooked. id bet this happens alot here , prolly half of deals of selling cues on internet boards are like this. i think it is wrong IMO/ but life is too
 
Fast Lenny said:
Your correct about this but there was bickering and some back and forth,Smokey calling someone a little smuck,saying he knows what they look like and he will see them,very vague and repetitive,he was going on and on and on.I thought some of it funny but most of it distasteful on all ends.I think that Smokey should have said his piece once and walked on head held up high and never dealt with these guys again if he was that POd,i would have been too and also when the person who bought the cues offered to resell them in that very thread,ridiculous! :cool:
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Lenny, until the end Smokey acted very respectfully to everyone involved. But when he is contacted by the buyer, and others who I will leave nameless are joking about the transaction and making comments that maybe the buyer will sell smokey one of the cues. Then the buyer contacts him and tries to up-sell the items, that is too much to handle without a little backlash.

I kinda truly believe that the seller and other individuals conspired privately to up-sell the cues because of the interested of an honest buyer. I do not think this was a mistake, unintentional, or an oversight. I believe that this was only an attempt to get more money for cues that had already been offered and I quote ( Asking Price $2300 each with a discount if both are purchased).

This is just a Black eye on the forum, and you can't blame the Mod's because they do not want this kind of behavior here either. But the other individuals involved are not people who should be dealt with here in the future, unless you want to be their next victim. Like I have said many times, I am not always right, however, I am honest and I say what I believe to be true. I try to help others, and in the process if I see something that is wrong I identify it, and this is what we all need to do to take care of this bad, deceptive, and under handed behavior.
 
manwon said:
Lenny, until the end Smokey acted very respectfully to everyone involved. But when he is contacted by the buyer, and others who I will leave nameless are joking about the transaction and making comments that maybe the buyer will sell smokey one of the cues. Then the buyer contacts him and tries to up-sell the items, that is too much to handle without a little backlash.

I kinda truly believe that the seller and other individuals conspired privately to up-sell the cues because of the interested of an honest buyer. I do not think this was a mistake, unintentional, or an oversight. I believe that this was only an attempt to get more money for cues that had already been offered and I quote ( Asking Price $2300 each with a discount if both are purchased).

This is just a Black eye on the forum, and you can't blame the Mod's because they do not want this kind of behavior here either. But the other individuals involved are not people who should be dealt with here in the future, unless you want to be their next victim. Like I have said many times, I am not always right, however, I am honest and I say what I believe to be true. I try to help others, and in the process if I see something that is wrong I identify it, and this is what we all need to do to take care of this bad, deceptive, and under handed behavior.
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I agree if this is surely whats going on which has alittle stank on the hang low then its totally unacceptable. Say me and you are buddies,im selling a cue,you and i both know go in collusion since there is alot of interest in the cue,why not i sell it to you and then you resell it for an extra couple hundred to that lucky guy who really-really wants it bad and will pay over what was the initial price because he got beat in the PMs race. :cool:
 
dave sutton said:
i see it happen all the time. a cue gets sold at blow out price. then the next month the buyer lists it much higher.

i hear bad things about mike from QC. he took a huge dump on one of my FS threads and i pm's him about it. he edited ane appologized. i was fine with that.

i still dont understand why it was pulled. if you keep hearing the same crap about the same ppl it should be documented. pulling it is like sweeping it under the carpet curse words or not.

this is the internet. im sure we can find worse things then curse words and bad names
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You mean like this,O MY poor Truck,Hey they are form the south west.

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Miles "smokey" is a great guy to deal with. I would give JV rep (if I know how) for offering smokey a SW cue at such a great price. Defintely below the market price.
 
Michael-Hoang said:
Miles "smokey" is a great guy to deal with. I would give JV rep (if I know how) for offering smokey a SW cue at such a great price. Defintely below the market price.
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Click the REP button on the persons post you are trying to give the rep to, its on the lower left.
 
classiccues said:
You want a nice MINT South West... We have one, I'll knock it down to 2150.00 we'll pay shipping anywhere in the US. It's on our site for 2350 or something like that... E-mail me at the website e-mail...

JV
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JV, thanks for taking the time to reply and for what you are offering. You know the other day, we talked about what a cue Pimip was and what my thought's on the subject were. I think we do understand each other, and like I said before there is a big difference between selling and Pimping, thanks being a seller!!!!!

Have a good day JV!!!!!
 
Buyer Beware

I was typing a response to a post complaining about a cue maker taking too long to deliver a cue. The thread apparently got deleted before I could respond. (My response was "so what". I had a cue on order, put lots of cash down, the cue maker died, and there are more important things in life when someone is terminally ill. I lost a lot of cash on this deal, although I got a partial forearm since I had photos to prove it was my cue. It is not a perfect world. Not as much fun as spending your money on lap dances - but Oh well.)

I see a problem where someone offers to sell a cue but does not give a price. Everyone bids against each other, and the highest bid or bidder with less risk and better reputation gets the cue. You might say nobody is holding a gun to the Seller's head, so the seller should be able to decide what they want to do with their cue. Or somebody buys a cue only to sell it for more money in a short period of time rather than shoot with it and enjoy it.

I offer the forum a partial solution. Develop a detailed specification for what is a cue, whether it is straight (including varying degrees of straight), how to measure its length, how to determine its weight, the butt weight, each shafts weight, what different levels of use are, quality of finish, etc. Other than photos, most cue sales look the same. Develop specifications for defining these descriptions of a cue on the forum. There are two (2) levels of sales. (A) Risky {ebay style} and (B) ones where the cues are sent to the moderators of the forum for a fee as well as cash. If the buyer is completely satisfied after getting a cue after a period of time, the cash automatically goes to the seller. Sellers know this will happen, but also know someone actually has the cash before a cue goes to the buyer never to be seen again. Others do this, but it does not put some cash in the pockets of those running to forum to help with expenses. Plus, the moderators are generally ethical folks. They can even "moderate" if there are differences of opinion.

(Now back to your regularly scheduled program.)
 
robertno1pool said:
I was typing a response to a post complaining about a cue maker taking too long to deliver a cue. The thread apparently got deleted before I could respond. (My response was "so what". I had a cue on order, put lots of cash down, the cue maker died, and there are more important things in life when someone is terminally ill. I lost a lot of cash on this deal, although I got a partial forearm since I had photos to prove it was my cue. It is not a perfect world. Not as much fun as spending your money on lap dances - but Oh well.)

I see a problem where someone offers to sell a cue but does not give a price. Everyone bids against each other, and the highest bid or bidder with less risk and better reputation gets the cue. You might say nobody is holding a gun to the Seller's head, so the seller should be able to decide what they want to do with their cue. Or somebody buys a cue only to sell it for more money in a short period of time rather than shoot with it and enjoy it.

I offer the forum a partial solution. Develop a detailed specification for what is a cue, whether it is straight (including varying degrees of straight), how to measure its length, how to determine its weight, the butt weight, each shafts weight, what different levels of use are, quality of finish, etc. Other than photos, most cue sales look the same. Develop specifications for defining these descriptions of a cue on the forum. There are two (2) levels of sales. (A) Risky {ebay style} and (B) ones where the cues are sent to the moderators of the forum for a fee as well as cash. If the buyer is completely satisfied after getting a cue after a period of time, the cash automatically goes to the seller. Sellers know this will happen, but also know someone actually has the cash before a cue goes to the buyer never to be seen again. Others do this, but it does not put some cash in the pockets of those running to forum to help with expenses. Plus, the moderators are generally ethical folks. They can even "moderate" if there are differences of opinion.

(Now back to your regularly scheduled program.)
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The problem here Robert was that prices were posted, the buyer offered to pay the full price with no responce from seller. Days later seller sells to to someone else and the cues are offered back to the interested buyer
for additional money (Profit). This is dishonest behavior on the part of the seller and the individual who bought the cues are and privately sent a PM to the individual who lost out before the cues were in his possesion.

This is under handed, low down, and eceptive business dealing, and it is not exceptable and it needs to be exposed!!
 
manwon said:
The problem here Robert was that prices were posted, the buyer offered to pay the full price with no responce from seller. Days later seller sells to to someone else and the cues are offered back to the interested buyer
for additional money (Profit). This is dishonest behavior on the part of the seller and the individual who bought the cues are and privately sent a PM to the individual who lost out before the cues were in his possesion.

This is under handed, low down, and eceptive business dealing, and it is not exceptable and it needs to be exposed!!
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Not that I want a cookie or anything, but this scenario just happened to me. BigJohn offered 700, or was it 750 on a cue I was selling. I took it. One hour later, a guy from Germany offered a grand. I kept my original deal because I promised. I let BigJohn know that if he wanted to flip the cue, I knew who to call. I could have given some BS excuse and took the grand. But, Karma and goodwill will come back. Believe it.
 
Thanks to all that shared their concerns here. I hope this behavior can be controlled better in the future. Good luck to everyone, and please take care of each other, that is the real message here, and the only thing that is important!!!!!

have a good night!!!!
 
crawfish said:
Not that I want a cookie or anything, but this scenario just happened to me. BigJohn offered 700, or was it 750 on a cue I was selling. I took it. One hour later, a guy from Germany offered a grand. I kept my original deal because I promised. I let BigJohn know that if he wanted to flip the cue, I knew who to call. I could have given some BS excuse and took the grand. But, Karma and goodwill will come back. Believe it.
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I totally agree with the way you handled the situation, and my hat is off to you. I hope in the future this will be the norm, I no that some transaction will go south, and this just the nature of the beast. However, by good communication, and honest behavior things can be worked out without anyone being bent over!! Like you said above what comes around will certainly go around!!!!!

Thanks for your responce!!!!!
 
On my case sales I am often offered more by one buyer than another. Several of you have gotten the PM from me that the case is already sold. Even if it means I make less money on a case it is far more important to keep the integrity intact.

Because as I know well the pool world is very small and you will see the same folks many times on the same road. Better to be able to go up to them with a smile and good greetings than to have to cross to the other side of the street and hope they don't see you.

Whenever I sold a case at a show I always told people that I made them good because I'd have to see them again next year at the same show and I wanted to be able to sell them another one. :-)
 
Yes this is a very frustrating thing to have people like this conducting business in the same forum as honest folks, I am sure you all know what I went through ( http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=74128 )and yes I was very frustrated when it happened, but I guess it just wasnt meant for me to have that cue, such is life, speak your piece and let others know to avoid these people, just try and look at it like Sony told C in The Bronx Tale if you only lost $20 you got off cheap and you no longer have the bum in your life.

Have a nice night all
Sean
 
Hi Craig,

I have read the previous thread before and it sound like the cues were sold legit to Mike. I think Brett had a pretty good reputation as I think I may have dealt with him before.

Somehow, I just don't understand why these guys would go through all that trouble to make a few hundred dollar if that. I hear your argument but I still don't see how you come to the conclusion that these individual try to smoke Mr. Smokey. What if (maybe a big IF) Brett really did sell the cue to Mike because he responded before Mr. Miles (Or Brett agreed to a deal) and Mike just wanted to flip the cues? Somehow, I just can't understand why they would go through all the work to make a extra hundred on a secure deal. I must say I was really tempted given the price...as I've sold ebony SW for $2500+++ fairly easy to the right buyer.

If I was the one who brought the cues legit because I had first crack at a great deal....and decided for what ever reasons that i wanted to sell it to make a profit.....why would this be an issue? It's business. One of my friend year ago had a beautiful szamboti that he sold at a pool hall for $10K...after this buyer bought it...he goes to another interest party in the same pool hall 5 minutes later and sold it for $15K...that's one of the best flip stories that I've heard. But my buddy was happy with his 10K...he would have love to met the guy that would offered him 15K...thought. But sometime, you got to be at the right place and right time. Point is that sometime people are willing to pay a premium to get what they want.....and they'll be happy. The guy who bought the cue for 15K ending up selling for double his investment years later. So it seem everyone win in this situation.

I buy and sell cue on the side as a hobby, sometime I come across a great deal and flip for profit. It's the same for most cue dealers that I know that buys and trade and sell for a profit. So far, I still haven't heard from Brett on the matter and I think he would be able to clear up the matter very easily and I thought he did in his thread. Just my opinion...on the matter. Also, it seem the Mod are starting to remove any thread that deem not good for this board as it starting to affect the buy and sell section negatively.

Regards,
Duc.
 
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21Gambler said:
Yes this is a very frustrating thing to have people like this conducting business in the same forum as honest folks, I am sure you all know what I went through ( http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=74128 )and yes I was very frustrated when it happened, but I guess it just wasnt meant for me to have that cue, such is life, speak your piece and let others know to avoid these people, just try and look at it like Sony told C in The Bronx Tale if you only lost $20 you got off cheap and you no longer have the bum in your life.

Have a nice night all
Sean
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I chose to think of it like this, these individuals are no longer in my life, in fact they do not even exist to me!!!;) We as members of this forum need to learn to take care of each other. Our strength is in numbers, and while some of us chose not to be vocal, thats OK,and not necessary. Because the goal should be to watch each others back, when we see something going down that is not right!!! Contact others who care, if not in the post through a PM and bring this behavior to light. By watching each others backs and helping each other out, these people who wish to act in a dishonest manner will have no where else to go except away!!! There is no need to be disrespectful, threatening, or anything else, the only thing that should be done is expose bad behavior, and ensure that the buyer is aware of who they are dealing with and the persons past reputation.

Thanks for your participation in this thread!!!
 
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