Flakeandrun
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couldn't agree more.
C. J. Wiley - A Touch of Inside
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That's insider stuff. No God fearing player will ever reveal that.What I really want to know is, what kind of chalk/tip combination was CJ "using" during the making of this video? Isn't that what is really on everyone's mind?
Considering I think he only chalked his cue maybe 3/4 times in the whole video, inquiring minds want to know!
When I use TOO or TOI I use a LD shaft and air pivot while going down. This gives me the consistency in aim of BHE with the stroke consistency of coming down parallel. I vary the pivot point depending on speed, tip height, elevation and cloth conditions.
This works very well and at this point I pivot by feel unless the table is off system in which case I make a small pivot point adjustment for all shots of that vertical spin type.
Honestly I think TOI and TOOs gain in consistency come from more consistent ball contact and nothing to do with 'Using deflection to your advantage' as CJ claims. The deflection is a disadvantage, however, it is consistently reliable (As in repeatable by a robot), something CB contacts are not.
Regardless of why it works it does work and unless you are on a clean table with good balls in a dry room or can't aim sidespin well it is much superior to CB.
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dendweller
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I think there are a boat load of things that players do that seem helpful in certain situations. This probably has it's spots.
Maybe the problem is when it's presented as something that you should base you game on.
What do you want from the guy? Do you think he's going to give all of his secrets up to a bunch of lowlife hacks on a pool forum just so they can have more fodder to waste him even more?Considering I think he only chalked his cue maybe 3/4 times in the whole video, inquiring minds want to know!
I was kind.of hoping.
dendweller
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I think the ability to write clearly about a subject is a good thing for a forum. If when asked how something works, how it's done, you get at least an attempt to honestly answer the questions. If the answer is you need to buy the book, it's just advertising.
A pool forum? LOL. Everyone knows that pool and pool rooms are historically havens for the lowest of low Lifes on the planet. The best and greatest pool players for the last century didn't become good or great from excelling in a college literature course or college at all. When a pro player does their best to explain something in technique such as aiming, it's going to come out in a way understood and perceived from THEIR viewpoint which means NO mechanical engineering jargon, NO algebraic equations that would fill a large blackboard, NO geometric drawings, and NO scientific foundation regarding any of it. What you get is pool room logic and understanding.
Go back in time to the development and growth of computers in the mid 1990's and the first pool forums were created. Less than 30 years ago. All in all, compared to other subjects of interest, pool forums suck hind tit! There's this one, one-pocket.org, some on FB, and that's IT! Gun forums, golf forums...have a huge number of choices and growing. Political forums are off the charts!
I don't agree. Whether it's in book form or videos you get the 1st hand thoughts and instructions of the creator/author himself or herself. What you get from others is some of it, not all of it, and in many cases a convoluted, shortened, and bastardized version. It's like someone at a party telling a long, descriptively worded joke that has everyone crying from laughing so hard. Others attempt doing it at a later time and different setting and the joke falls flat like a lead balloon.
Buying the book or whatever it is, should go to the author/creator for their hard work, firsthand knowledge and deserved profits. Not from some half-assed misunderstood, misguided version.
dendweller
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valid opinion, makes me wonder why you're posting here
Oh, I'm definitely a low life. What are you and why do you post here? If you think you're one of the "uppity ones", stick around and we'll see if you can be knocked down a peg or two. You know, like an absent CJ was in a blink of an eye.
dendweller
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I happen to think there's value in what some write in the forum, that's why I'm here. Not sure what's involved in being one of the uppity ones but I suspect I don't qualify. I like most of the people at the pool room.
There is value in what some write in the forum. But there's something that, for a better word, could be called "camps" or "factions" that have developed from opposite views. Primarily aiming methods but not locked into it alone. I know exactly when, where, and who started the aiming wars back in the mid 90's and is still here. NPR and politics...that's like two different countries.
CJ and I played in very similar conditions much of the time. By the time I was a solid shortstop I let speed and angles do over 90% of the work positioning the cue ball for the next shot. Not spinning the cue ball much was how I dealt with nasty tables and balls. If it was possible to get position while using outside to reduce throw or inside to try to make the object ball throw more I sometimes did to guarantee pocketing a ball. Distance from the pocket, angle, all the other factors entered into the spin I used. Mainly I used minimum spin to the extent that I would go months without a miscue when I was playing nightly. Part of my schtick when gambling was always using a house cue, playing off the wall. I wasn't making much demand from stick or tip so while nice I didn't need a stick and tip perfectly tuned to my liking.
A different way of doing things but I worked up and down the centerline of the cue ball rarely moving over half a tip from there. With a wide open table and no traffic I might use a lot of side spin but there is a difference between needing sidespin and using it for shits and giggles.
When people learn the value of angles and speed they often say they spent years learning spin, now they don't need it. An overstatement but not a huge one. A good example is Willie Mosconi before his major health issues. He could spin the rock heavily as well as most anybody but you didn't see him doing it often. He didn't need to and he was as aware as anyone that large amounts of side spin can cause a lot of headaches. A lot of side spin is still needed sometimes but moving that from first choice to last takes care of a lot of issues before they occur.
A lot of ways to skin a cat and I would never say that TOI, TOO, or spinning the rock nearly constantly can't work. More a matter of KISS for me. I like shots to be 16-24 inches and the cue ball to not move any further than it has to after object ball contact. Shots a little longer are no big deal, shorter ones either. Ideally though I have working room while keeping the shots easy.
Hu
You really are LOST aren't you??? to POA silly.
(you just wanna start your BS, sry )
Not low enough...
