Can you spot where the "round points" end and the "Sharpee'd points" begin?

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skins said:
JESUS CHRIST!!!!! :eek: WHO CARES WHO'S AT FAULT!!! JUST REFUND THE MAN HIS MONEY, ALL OF IT, INCLUDING SHIPPING AND HAVE HIM SEND THE CUE BACK!!!! IT'S THAT SIMPLE!!!!!...........


skins ---------------- hates taking the Lords name in vein but this is getting ridiculous!..............
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I am realy getting sick of repeating my self so I will copy and paste this response the next 50 times the same subject is brought up again.

1.Send the cue back to me
2. Drop the protest with paypal.
3. I will issue a refund minus shipping as I am not at fault in any way .
4. I talked to Evan Clarke He already knew about this cue and said it was an R2 and I did not mislead the buyer at all . I posted his number call him if you wish . When it comes to Schon cues I will trust Evan's opinion over anyone's except Bob Rhunde .
5. I will not issue a refund of any kind with the paypal dispute still open . that would leave me open to getting screwed twice and that will not happen.


Thats it I am sick of repeating my self . Thats the deal take it or leave it.
As for what anyone thinks this makes me look like I realy dont care as I know I have done nothing wrong and I have the support of those that matter. So if this changes your opinion of me then im sorry for that but I have done NOTHING wrong here . If you think that ganging up on me is going to pressure me into changing me mind you can think again . The buyer is lucky that I am offering a refund at all .

((( Edited to add))) When I get the cue back I hope it is in the exact same condition I sent it in .
If there is any thing done to those points you will be paying me to ship the cue back to you !
So if you have done anything to the finish or those points I will not issue a refund at all I would at that point expect you to pay for the shipping to get it back to you .

Option #2 Send the cue to Evan Clarke at Schon cues if he says I owe you a full refund than I will do that and pay him to ship it back to me . BUT if he says it is in fact an R2 as listed without the points being altered then you arrange shipping the cue back from Evan .

Now bash away ... Larry
 
Hi Ryan/ Larry,

Have either of you shown Mr. Clarke these pics? If not, you guys might want to send these to him. He probably missed it like everyone else.

I haven't made many cues but I know for a fact that the point is not splice but CNC. It's pretty clear in the picture. I myself use a sharpie mainly to keep the point even or for touch up but this is not the case with this cue. The points are for sure rounded and the marker added to make the point look sharp. You can tell from the dark ebony wood grain against the maple grain highlighted by the marker.

All Schon plays great whether it's sharp point or rounded:)

In any case, Larry have done quite a lot of business on here so I don't think anyone needs to doubt his reps. Situation is pretty simple really.

Ryan send the cue back. Larry check cue out and send refund with holding the $40.00 for shipping until he get additional info from Evan regarding the rounded point and touch up? on this cue. (I don't think Evan himself will dispute this point especially after seeing these pics.) Myself and many other would be curios to his response on this one...probably worth $40.00 for the knowledge.

I'm willing to paid $4.00 for the answer...just need another 9 guys to jump in on this one. Anyone up for it? $40.00 would paid for Larry trouble in finding out an interesting question about runde cue.

If this is the case, then Larry would refund the additional $40.00 for shipping. Basically both of you will lose out no matter what but it's part of doing business and it's pretty fair. Ryan lose out on shipping and Larry lose out on shipping. No Biggee...$40.00... I think you guys probably wasted more time than it's really worth it for the $40.00. Not to mentioned the bashing on this thread....don't even know how it got like this.

Larry, I don't see why you have to stop selling cues on here. Man, I'm always looking for deals and Trade. You have some nice stuff up sometimes...so I think people would miss out. Just do what you do...this thread will die in a few months..so just let it goes.

Regards,
Duc.














p1noy said:
I posted the other points.. picture # 8-13

http://s247.photobucket.com/albums/gg140/p1noy_pics/points/
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wow Iowa, your melting down just like the democratic party since Princess Palin was announced.

You have gone to name calling, threatening physicall violence and now the use of profanity. You will probably just be lucky to survivethis incidentwithoit getting banned.

Bottom line, THE CUE WAS ALTERED, regardless what Evan says. I'm almost sure (not as sure as I was at the start of this thread) you hadnothing to do with it, but that isn't relative.

Options are, FULL REFUND or if you are so sure, take the 3k gamble and sand the points.

Shipping should be your hardship, it was your sale.

The ONLY thing I agree with you on is that no refund until Paypal dispute is dropped.

Pinoy, have you dropped the dispute? Sent the cue? The ball is in YOUR court and any progress at this point hinges on YOUR next move.

My eight cents.

Rg
 
Cuemaster98 said:
Hi Ryan/ Larry,

Have either of you shown Mr. Clarke these pics? If not, you guys might want to send these to him. He probably missed it like everyone else.

I haven't made many cues but I know for a fact that the point is not splice but CNC. It's pretty clear in the picture. I myself use a sharpie mainly to keep the point even or for touch up but this is not the case with this cue. The points are for sure rounded and the marker added to make the point look sharp. You can tell from the dark ebony wood grain against the maple grain highlighted by the marker.

All Schon plays great whether it's sharp point or rounded:)

In any case, Larry have done quite a lot of business on here so I don't think anyone needs to doubt his reps. Situation is pretty simple really.

Ryan send the cue back. Larry check cue out and send refund with holding the $40.00 for shipping until he get additional info from Evan regarding the rounded point and touch up? on this cue. (I don't think Evan himself will dispute this point especially after seeing these pics.) Myself and many other would be curios to his response on this one...probably worth $40.00 for the knowledge.

I'm willing to paid $4.00 for the answer...just need another 9 guys to jump in on this one. Anyone up for it? $40.00 would paid for Larry trouble in finding out an interesting question about runde cue.

If this is the case, then Larry would refund the additional $40.00 for shipping. Basically both of you will lose out no matter what but it's part of doing business and it's pretty fair. Ryan lose out on shipping and Larry lose out on shipping. No Biggee...$40.00... I think you guys probably wasted more time than it's really worth it for the $40.00. Not to mentioned the bashing on this thread....don't even know how it got like this.

Larry, I don't see why you have to stop selling cues on here. Man, I'm always looking for deals and Trade. You have some nice stuff up sometimes...so I think people would miss out. Just do what you do...this thread will die in a few months..so just let it goes.

Regards,
Duc.
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Thank you sir.
 
If I may say so, you have both missed the obvious at this point. You have in you're hands proof that schon cues doctored points!!! but instead of keeping and collecting this valuable piece of history, you are trying to argue over who gets stuck with it??????
That dont makes no durn sense.
I am convinced after reading almost ALL of this shit, that the seller is a hell of a good guy and the band wagon is trying run over him.
$40. bucks is not much to bail out of the deal even though Evan verified its authenticity. if you don't want it then send it back eat one way shipping and quit being a fuking baby!!!! boo hoo. the guy was not trying to screw anyone but you cant get that!!
he will give you a refund!!!! DO YOU HAVE A BRAIN???
When someone tries to pull a fast one they should eat the cost. that ain't the sich. here!! give a little get a little.

I'm Jayman, and I approve this message>
 
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jayman said:
If I may say so, you have both missed the obviose at this point. You have in you'r hands proof that schon cues doctored points!!! but instead of keeping and collecting this valuble peice of history, you are trying to argue over who gets stuck with it??????
That dont makes no durn sense.
I am convinced after reading almost ALL of this shit, that the seller is a hellof a good guy and the band wagon is trying run over him.
$40. bucks is not much to bail out of the deal even though Eavan verified its authenticity. if you dont want it then send it back eat one way shipping and quit being a fuking baby!!!! boo hoo. the guy was not trying to screw anyone but you cant get that!!
he will give you a refund!!!! DO YOU HAVE A BRAIN???
When someone tries to pull a fast one they should eat the cost. that aint the sich. here!! give a little get a little.

I'm Jayman, and I aprove this message>
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Thank you sir.
 
10. 9. 8. 7. ----

Won't be long now.

Btw, I don't want to read you grovelling tmrw about what a bad night you had and how sorry you are. I suspect your finished on here.

Rg
 
NYC cue dude said:
10. 9. 8. 7. ----

Won't be long now.

Btw, I don't want to read you grovelling tmrw about what a bad night you had and how sorry you are. I suspect your finished on here.

Rg
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Like I give a shit ? I need more of this hassle ?
 
I agree

jayman said:
If I may say so, you have both missed the obvious at this point. You have in you're hands proof that schon cues doctored points!!! but instead of keeping and collecting this valuable piece of history, you are trying to argue over who gets stuck with it??????
That dont makes no durn sense.
I am convinced after reading almost ALL of this shit, that the seller is a hell of a good guy and the band wagon is trying run over him.
$40. bucks is not much to bail out of the deal even though Evan verified its authenticity. if you don't want it then send it back eat one way shipping and quit being a fuking baby!!!! boo hoo. the guy was not trying to screw anyone but you cant get that!!
he will give you a refund!!!! DO YOU HAVE A BRAIN???
When someone tries to pull a fast one they should eat the cost. that ain't the sich. here!! give a little get a little.

I'm Jayman, and I approve this message>
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Jayman's right! Larry did not try to scam somebody. The refund was there the whole entire time. $40.00 is not much but to ruin somebody's reputation??? How's one bad Itrader in exchange instead just to warn future buyer. NO BIGGIE! tsk...tsk...tsk...Its unfortunate!


I my self is willing to add $4.00 to cuemakers suggestion to make up for the shipping. This should'nt end like this!


Anyway, GOODLUCK on both end!


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mycustomcues said:
Jayman's right! Larry did not try to scam somebody. The refund was there the whole entire time. $40.00 is not much but to ruin somebody's reputation??? How's one bad Itrader in exchange instead just to warn future buyer. NO BIGGIE! tsk...tsk...tsk...Its unfortunate!


I my self is willing to add $4.00 to cuemakers suggestion to make up for the shipping. This should'nt end like this!


Anyway, GOODLUCK on both ends!


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Thank you sir.
 
cowboyup200560 said:
Ok here is MY 2 cents. I have been talking to larry for a few days now. He seems to be a great stand up guy. Now I have heard several talk about the imprint on the shaft. Did it ever occur to anyone that it may be a newer shaft????. I had a cheap players cue with a shoan shaft on it once. Didn't make it a shoan now did it? As for the "altered" points, I am no expert, but from speaking with several cuemakers over the past few years I have heard from many that ink or paint is common to help make the points "just right". IMHO I think that the buyer didn't get hurt at all. If he wants to send the cue back he know where the post office is thats his choice to be unsatisfied. Just my 2 cents
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I was talking with a friend of mine who is one of the best cuemakers in the business imo, at the DCC this past time and i was showing him a Tascarella and he say's " yeah its a nice cue but the points are inked ". Not saying this is the worst thing but it is more common than people know.
 
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This ONLY applies to cues with sharp points were the maker wants to add "perfection" to the definition.

It does NOT applyto a cnc cue being altered to sharp points and misleading the buyer on the OVERALL construction of a cue.

Someone did the nasty to this cue. Either schon at the factory, or an owner of the cue and refinished over. No disputing that fact.

Rg
 
if an individual did these points they must have been able to sand it down and respray the cue afterwards. this sounds easy but for the normal person it might not be.
 
if the issue here is trust, one not wanting to send the money and one not wanting to send the cue without having the other, why not send both to a neutral party. sorry if this has already been said.
 
mycustomcues said:
Shoan?? :eek: who is that? :eek: :rolleyes: You're funny!:grin:

Schon dude!.......lol:grin: :grin:



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LOL,,,,I,,,have,,,No,,,Idea....This..is...where...I...heard..of..this..Cue..maker

Originally Posted by cowboyup200560
Ok here is MY 2 cents. I have been talking to larry for a few days now. He seems to be a great stand up guy. Now I have heard several talk about the imprint on the shaft. Did it ever occur to anyone that it may be a newer shaft????. I had a cheap players cue with a shoan shaft on it once. Didn't make it a shoan now did it? As for the "altered" points, I am no expert, but from speaking with several cuemakers over the past few years I have heard from many that ink or paint is common to help make the points "just right". IMHO I think that the buyer didn't get hurt at all. If he wants to send the cue back he know where the post office is thats his choice to be unsatisfied. Just my 2 cents
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Wow things blow out fast. 15 pages, this is like 10 hours old.

FWIW, I've talked with Larry a few times on the phone, and he seemed like a genuine, decent guy. I hope this is resolved in a clean matter.
 
LoGiC said:
Wow things blow out fast. 15 pages, this is like 10 hours old.

FWIW, I've talked with Larry a few times on the phone, and he seemed like a genuine, decent guy. I hope this is resolved in a clean matter.
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Thank you sir. I try to be a decent guy I just get sick of the gang mentality around here . This was between the buyer and my self and could have been handled with a phone call . I didnt get over 40 positive ITrader points by ripping folks off . I know I may have slipped a gear tonight and went off alittle but I just get sick of the bullshit .

To my friends thank you very much for standing behind me on this .

Larry
 
iowa_player said:
I will say this again the cue is an Schon R2 just as listed .
The points were never rounded cnc points . Like I said Evan Clarke told me this on the phone and he told the buyer that in many emails .

I have said I will refund the cue even tho I have done nothing wrong . NOTHING !!! But I will NOT eat the cost of shipping as I sold the cue just as it was discribed .

So if you want a refund send the cue and drop the protest with paypal
If the cue comes back in the same condtion it was sent out then I will send a refund minus the shipping .

I will not issue a refund while you have an open protest with paypal so you can get a double refund .

I have done nothing wrong in the transaction .

Larry
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Not taking sides here. You can issue a refund through paypal for as much of the transaction as you want to. The buyer will not get a double refund if PayPal chooses his side. He would only get refunded what he paid. You do need to respond to the dispute though or it will go to the buyer by default. If you refund the money then you will also get a credit for all fees PayPal took on the refunded portion.

Now, as to the deal and my take on it. You did describe the cue as an R-2 which it appears to be. No harm in that. The buyer is not happy with the cue, also no harm in that. You offered to refund the purchase price less shipping, which is common.

I think that even though you are right and it "looks" like the buyer is right about the points, that you both should be willing to compromise and split the shipping.

In the future, as a seller you need to clarify the terms and conditions of the sale clearly before selling something. As a buyer you need to read those terms and conditions and either agree to them or get the seller to agree to changed ones.

In this instance I see a seller who sold a product in full belief that it was as stated with no malice. I see a buyer who is not satisfied with the purchase for reasons that have nothing to do with the seller. (other than the insults by PM, I'd guess). However, as a seller of goods I am the kind that goes overboard in the direction of full satisfaction. In my mind I would have taken the cue back, refunded shipping, investigated it, and if true on the points I would have raised hell down the back line all the way to Schon. If the points turned out to be real then I would have resold the cue, adding in an extra $40 to cover the shipping and made sure to put the words REAL POINTY POINTS on the description.

But, I do understand both sides, having been on both sides. You both sound like very likable and honest people. Hope that you can resolve it peacefully.
 
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