Can you spot where the "round points" end and the "Sharpee'd points" begin?

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ChrisOnline said:
its possible... that this cue was a special order way back when after 1985 when they made the silver rings the standard.. which would make sense for the cnc'd points and the stitched rings..

below is a link to chris tates website that mentions this..

http://www.palmercollector.com/Schon/SchonFirstCataloScan.html



its possible..somewhere long ago this cue was ordered.. with the stitch rings.. and down the road, somebody doctored it up and probably has had many unknowing buyers buy it and sell it and never known it wasnt the real deal...

best of luck to both of you on this...

chris
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Chris is correct that you could order special stitch rings even after they started using rounded CNC inlaid points.

Scott
 
I think a refund is in order here, but I also agree with Bama's post earlier that the seller may not have ever noticed that the points were penciled in. I sometimes make trades in less than desirable light, and once back home, notice something in a cue that I didn't see previously. At that point, I consider the cue to be mine because I had the opportunity to evaluate it in hand.

I would, and always do as the seller, want to ensure that the buyer is satisfied.

On a separate note, I don't trust the "Runde" Schon logic anymore. I simply would want to know if it has stitch ringwork and true spliced points. I personally would not want to accept this cue regardless of what Evan says its model number is. I wouldn't want a cue with penciled in points, period. I don't care if it was done by the original cuemaker. I think the seller, if this were reversed, would be asking for a similar resolution.
 
Who ever colored in the points did a despicable thing.

Who did that? ... Schon? ... or some no class reseller?

Painted on points indeed!
 
Extra Rare Schon

The Overlay tips were a custom option like the stitched rings. :thumbup:
 
iowa_player said:
Thanks bro. you have always been a great friend .
I cant wait to take this cue to Even my self and see if
he tells me it is an R2 as described in my thread .
I am not sure that I have made any mistake here i still
say I sold the cue as listed .

Larry
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I don't think the issue is the fact if it's an R2 or not, but the fact that the point ends are drawn on. Should ALL R2 models have sharp points?
 
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hi-i sold the cue to larry.i got it from dwbod i think.don't roast me i don't remember.i sent it to tjlmbklr to see if he wanted to get it.he could jump in,say what he knows.i bought and sold the cue believeing it to be an r2.i know i didn't mess with it.all larry did was sell what i sold him.i would stake my everything that larry didn't do anything to it.larry knows he didn't do anything wrong.i know i didn't do any thing wrong.how quick we can take years of honesty and in a second want to string him up.i will stand with larry and do anything he would have me do.what your saying happened is just beyound me.maybe the people i mentioned will jump on.larry stand tall you haven't done anything wrong.
your friend george.
 
ChrisOnline said:
its possible... that this cue was a special order way back when after 1985 when they made the silver rings the standard.. which would make sense for the cnc'd points and the stitched rings..

below is a link to chris tates website that mentions this..

http://www.palmercollector.com/Schon/SchonFirstCataloScan.html



its possible..somewhere long ago this cue was ordered.. with the stitch rings.. and down the road, somebody doctored it up and probably has had many unknowing buyers buy it and sell it and never known it wasnt the real deal...

best of luck to both of you on this...

chris
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this maybe just what happened,if in fact they were altered,which is of couse still being debated.i mantain that when i got the cue and sent the cue it was an r2. could i see pixs of all the points>how about pixs of the whole cue.send the cue back to larry.he will get it right.
 
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They sure did

iowa_player said:
Some one please tell me when they made round points with dashed ringwork . Any pictures or model numbers ?
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When John McChesney had his pool hall in arvada co. I helped a friend buy two shon cues that were for sale in the display case. One was a silver ringed joint with sharp points, the other was a dash ring joint with round points. both cues are still in his widows very large collection. there are about 50 early shon cues in this collection. He told me he had heard of these "transition cues" but had never seen one in person untill he bought those two. I was there with him and saw them first hand as well.

Jayman.
 
magix said:
hi-i sold the cue to larry.i got it from dwbod i think.don't roast me i don't remember.i sent it to tjlmbklr to see if he wanted to get it.he could jump in,say what he knows.i bought and sold the cue believeing it to be an r2.i know i didn't mess with it.all larry did was sell what i sold him.i would stake my everything that larry didn't do anything to it.larry knows he didn't do anything wrong.i know i didn't do any thing wrong.how quick we can take years of honesty and in a second want to string him up.i will stand with larry and do anything he would have me do.what your saying happened is just beyound me.maybe the people i mentioned will jump on.larry stand tall you haven't done anything wrong.
your friend george.
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I am not saying Larry did the sharpeed points, I just don't know if he was aware that the points were sharpeed when he sold it. I gave him a benefit of the doubt that's why contacted him before I posted this thread. He called me a dumbass scam artist when I told him about the issue that's why I decided to post the pics.
 
I just got off the phone with Evan Clarke at Schon cues > 414-383-9661
He knew just what cue I was talking about as soon as I started asking him about it . He said it is an R2 without any funny biz. He said I have done NOTHING wrong here . He also said he has told you in email the same thing !

I listed an sold an Schon R2
I have done nothing wrong here nothing !!!
I posted Evans number I hope you guys dont bug him to death
but im sure if 1 or 2 well respected members talk to him they will hear
the same thing .

Thanks... Larry
 
I don't think you did anything (deliberately) wrong here.

If I received that cue, I would return it ASAP and request my money back. I have not seen any R2's with splices like the one pictured. Its definately fabricated with a marker. Also, it doesn't really matter what Evan says. The end result is - there's something fishy about that cue and the buyer is not happy.
 
p1noy said:
I am not saying Larry did the sharpeed points, I just don't know if he was aware that the points were sharpeed when he sold it. I gave him a benefit of the doubt that's why contacted him before I posted this thread. He called me a dumbass scam artist when I told him about the issue that's why I decided to post the pics.
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so,if it turns out that he is right,that you are a dumbass scam artist,what schould he do then?just asking. magix
 
Suaro said:
I don't think you did anything (deliberately) wrong here.

If I received that cue, I would return it ASAP and request my money back. I have not seen any R2's with splices like the one pictured. Its definately fabricated with a marker. Also, it doesn't really matter what Evan says. The end result is - there's something fishy about that cue and the buyer is not happy.
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There is NOTHING fishy about this cue and the points were NOT fabricated with a marker ! It means alot to me what Evan says about this cue !!!
 
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Sharing an email mail from Ryan to Evan Clarke



Can you explain the points on this cue? I believe it has been doctored to look like spliced sharp points. Please see attached pictures.

-Ryan



On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Evan Clarke <info@schoncues.com> wrote:

I make around 20 cues a week and refinish maybe 2 or 3 so they are easy to remember, plus, I made them? Authenticity is no issue, I have never seen a fake.Evan




-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Eugenio [mailto:rjpeugenio@gmail.com]

Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:43 PM
To: Evan Clarke
Subject: Re: What model is this cue?



Hi Evan,



Thanks again for your response. You said that you just refinished this cue recently, do you remember all the cues that goes into your workshop or did you just happen to recognize and remember this one? Is there a way or a special trademark I can check to confirm authenticity of my schon?



-Ryan

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Evan Clarke <info@schoncues.com> wrote:

This one, Maybe $500.00?EC



-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Eugenio [mailto:rjpeugenio@gmail.com]

Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:18 PM
To: Evan Clarke
Subject: Re: What model is this cue?



Thanks for your response.. Can you give me an idea how much this newly refinished cue's value is?

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 7:47 AM, Evan Clarke <info@schoncues.com> wrote:

Hi,

I have made this cue always. This one was refinished here and is actually 18-20 years old?Evan Clarke



-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Eugenio [mailto:rjpeugenio@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:12 PM
To: info@schoncues.com
Subject: What model is this cue?



Hi,



I just got this cue and it looks like an R2 from the early 80's but the pin and the logo on the buttcap looks new. I'm thinking it's a copy of the older R2 from recent years.. Can you confirm when this cue was made? Thanks for your help.



-Ryan
 
Here is my take on the cue from my experience in dealing Schon cues over the years and having a large collection of them. First of all the pictures do not prove anything wrong. The only way to make sure that the points have been altered from a CNC point is to have the finish sanded off to expose the rounded or sharp point underneath. The picture shown only shows one point as well. Not all for points are included. Cue makers in the early eighties used permant ink to darken in and even out the tips of the points. Mcdermott was notorious for this in the mid eighties. To answer the question that R series cues were made CNC. The answer is yes they were made after 1988. They also came with stitch rings if ordered that way. Please see my Ebay item 230161029678 Click Here this is an R3 made with stitch rings and CNC points. Either way this cue is still a Runde era cue and is a R2. I would send it to Evan and have him verify the cue and be done with it. Larry sold the cue as an R2 and indeed it is a R2. If the customer is unhappy Larry has already offered to take it back. To me with out having more evidence of the points and no verification from Schon cues no one is at fault for this cue. I hope this helps. Since this has been made public due diligence has be done to verify the cue before anyone should be bashed. One picture of one point and an opinion of what is under the finish don't prove anything. Thanks just trying to help. This is all I'm going to say about this thread and the cue involved.
 
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Ryan....this is Duc. If your issue is not resolved and you need to prove that the cue is sharpe in...give Don Broos a shout. He would be able to confirm and let you know for sure. Looking at the pic, it does look like the point where sharpe in and I don't know but maybe this is how Schon cue make their points on some of their cues. Probably need to ask schon if their Runde cue are all sharpe to look sharp? If this is true...then you're not the only one with this issue.

Regards,
Duc.




KOINNKID said:
Here is my take on the cue from my experience in dealing Schon cues over the years and having a large collection of them. First of all the pictures do not prove anything wrong. The only way to make sure that the points have been altered from a CNC point is to have the finish sanded off to expose the rounded or sharp point underneath. The picture shown only shows one point as well. Not all for points are included. Cue makers in the early eighties used permant ink to darken in and even out the tips of the points. Mcdermott was notorious for this in the mid eighties. To answer the question that R series cues were made CNC. The answer is yes they were made after 1988. They also came with stitch rings if ordered that way. Please see my Ebay item 230161029678 Click Here this is an R3 made with stitch rings and CNC points. Either way this cue is still a Runde era cue and is a R2. I would send it to Evan and have him verify the cue and be done with it. Larry sold the cue as an R2 and indeed it is a R2. If the customer is unhappy Larry has already offered to take it back. To me with out having more evidence of the points and no verification from Schon cues no one is at fault for this cue. I hope this helps. Since this has been made public due diligence has be done to verify the cue before anyone should be bashed. One picture of one point and an opinion of what is under the finish don't prove anything. Thanks just trying to help. This is all I'm going to say about this thread and the cue involved.
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magix said:
so,if it turns out that he is right,that you are a dumbass scam artist,what schould he do then?just asking. magix
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If he's not...an apology would be warranted. :) Ryan..too nice to be a scam artist.

Regards,
Duc.
 
iowa_player said:
There is NOTHING fishy about this cue and the points were NOT fabricated with a marker ! It means alot to me what Evan says about this cue !!!
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If you look closely at the pictures, do you think they look "right"? To me it looks kind of like there was an attempt to inlay an additional piece of ebony at the end of a CNC point to make it look like a true splice, then sharpied in. I am not denying either at this point, but unless the picture was doctored in some way, it sure seems to point in the direction of the buyer at this point.

On a side note, why would you not want a customer to be satisfied with their purchase of an item from you? It what is seen in his pictures was shown in pictures you provided to him, I might understand, but he didn't have the luxury of seeing the cue in hand until after, I am sure, he sent you the money and you shipped the cue. By then, it would appear that there was no right of refusal on your part. I don't particularly agree with this strategy in selling/trading, but to each his own.
 
I will say this again the cue is an Schon R2 just as listed .
The points were never rounded cnc points . Like I said Evan Clarke told me this on the phone and he told the buyer that in many emails .

I have said I will refund the cue even tho I have done nothing wrong . NOTHING !!! But I will NOT eat the cost of shipping as I sold the cue just as it was discribed .

So if you want a refund send the cue and drop the protest with paypal
If the cue comes back in the same condtion it was sent out then I will send a refund minus the shipping .

I will not issue a refund while you have an open protest with paypal so you can get a double refund .

I have done nothing wrong in the transaction .

Larry
 
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