Can you spot where the "round points" end and the "Sharpee'd points" begin?

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really.. even of evan doesnt want to get involved.. he has an obligation to say..

hey.. those points are not right and that schon would never let a cue like that out of the shop...

instead of just walking away..

evan is very hard to deal with through email.. if you ask him questions about your cue.. prepare to get very limited answers.. you need to ask him DIRECT questions or they wont get answered..

i understand he is very busy... but he should always have time for customer service,,

chris
 
JB Cases said:
When did "sharpie" become a verb? I bet the makers of Sharpie brand markers are loving it. Anyway I think that the Sharpie people should work with the cue making people to come up with Sharpie markers that blend perfectly and don't bleed, :-) That was they can sharpie with sharpies all day.

I wonder if sublimation would work? Sublimation is where the image becomes part of the substrate by turning the ink into gas. Thus the cue could be refinished and the image would not wear off when surface sanded. Then we could open up a whole new can of worms as to whether the points are subbied points or not. :-)
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I bet the folks at Sharpie have been Sharpieing for years!

As for the sublimation I think the dye needs a more pourous canvas to attach. Dye sublimation is making huge strides in the t shirt/novelty industry. I would feel that decals would be much easier and cheaper on cues.

A couple years ago I looked into buying the equipment and making tshirts
for league teams and pool shirts in general. Dye sublimation made it very easy to make my own designs and print them and to produce good quality
shirts in low volume. The limited mess and area needed is a bonus as well.

For league shirts multiple colors is a must and this was the best low cost operation I could find.

Hows the case biz going? Any need to sharpie there?
 
P1Noy,

In my experience, Paypal wil quickly close the dispute, and not in your favor. Trust me on this. Better to cool off, just trust Larry, and work things out. You've gone far enough with this here. My suggestionis to just quit posting here and work things out directly with Larry.



Larry,

Two observations and a suggestion.

Suggestion - We have the luxury of advertising to a mass market on the internet cheaply or free. I think you'll agree, this is a really good thing. The down side is the buyer can't see the item. So, if you look at it like this "I have not sold something until the buyer receives it, inspects it, and confirms it with me it is acceptable." then you will be much happier. When you do have to refund someone, it hurts, true, but it's time to bite the bullet and just accept the risk of doing business this way.

Observation #1 - you didn't seem surprised that the points were inked or altered, but on the other hand, you obviously know nothing about how they got that way. On this cue, believe me, there is no way they came that way. Bob Runde was/is a perfectionist.

Just ask yourself if you thought the cue had been altered. The answer to that will tell you whether to refund the shipping.

Chris
 
Bob Runde started doing CNC cues very early. Not sure of the exact date. Some of the R cues had round points. Barry C on the forums knows the time frames when sharp points overlapped with the CNC work.
 
frankncali said:
I bet the folks at Sharpie have been Sharpieing for years!

As for the sublimation I think the dye needs a more pourous canvas to attach. Dye sublimation is making huge strides in the t shirt/novelty industry. I would feel that decals would be much easier and cheaper on cues.

A couple years ago I looked into buying the equipment and making tshirts
for league teams and pool shirts in general. Dye sublimation made it very easy to make my own designs and print them and to produce good quality
shirts in low volume. The limited mess and area needed is a bonus as well.

For league shirts multiple colors is a must and this was the best low cost operation I could find.

Hows the case biz going? Any need to sharpie there?
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lol - in the case business Sharpieing is a feature. :-) Ask Duce! His last Crayola Case was the bomb!!!

As for the dye sublimation on cues......lets just say that I have seen a few wood products here in China with sublimated designs that are pretty sporty. I have seen plain maple turned into burl and it doesn't sand off with surface sanding.

I have no idea though how consistent such a process would be though. Right now there is plenty of business with decals, both water activated and hand applied and automatic heat transfer, so I don't think that the cue makers here are interested in setting up for the sublimation on cues.

So no Subbie Points to worry about in the near term I guess.
 
I'm Going To Get In The Middle Here, Which Is Very Scary. But I Want To See This Go Away.

I Have Not Read The Entire Thread, Nor Do I Plan To Read It.

The Cue Will Be Sent Back To Me From Pinoy. If/when I Verify The Sharpie Points, Pinoy Expect (and Should Get) A Refund From Larry. Once The Refund Is Issued, I Will Send The Cue Back To Larry.

I Fully Understand Why Pinoy Would Not Want To Send The Cue Back, For The Fear Of Not Being Issued A Refund (not That I Don't Trust Larry, But This Is A Bad Situation)

I Don't Think Larry Knowingly Sold This Deceptively. He's Gonna Need To Go Back To Who He Got It From To Get This Fixed.

I Will Also Be Sure That The Butt And Shaft That I Receive Are The Ones That Are In Larry's For Sale Post.
 
Poolplaya9 said:
I'm not so sure that this is THE cue that he refinished. In small not so great pictures this cue looks like hundreds of others out there. I think the cue that Evan remembers refinishing was a true full splice cue, which would clearly mean that it was not this cue.

If it can be determined that it was in fact this cue for sure, then Evan needs to answer whether the cue was originally built at the Schon factory in this way with the "fake" points, or whether the Schon factory created the "fake" points at the time that it was refinished, or if somebody completely unrelated to the Schon factory created the "fake" points.

I personally think Evan back pedaled when he realized this isn't even the cue that he refinished, or at least not the one he was thinking of. In any case, he needs to answer the question of who created the "fake" points, and when.
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You have no idea what you are talking about. Anybody could have sharpied those points, how in the hell wold Evan know who did it? I've dealt with Evan personally and he is a class act.

Now you people are going to go after one of the great cues made in this country? You need to give yourself some red rep for that.
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
I'm Going To Get In The Middle Here, Which Is Very Scary. But I Want To See This Go Away.

I Have Not Read The Entire Thread, Nor Do I Plan To Read It.

The Cue Will Be Sent Back To Me From Pinoy. If/when I Verify The Sharpie Points, Pinoy Expect (and Should Get) A Refund From Larry. Once The Refund Is Issued, I Will Send The Cue Back To Larry.

I Fully Understand Why Pinoy Would Not Want To Send The Cue Back, For The Fear Of Not Being Issued A Refund (not That I Don't Trust Larry, But This Is A Bad Situation)

I Don't Think Larry Knowingly Sold This Deceptively. He's Gonna Need To Go Back To Who He Got It From To Get This Fixed.

I Will Also Be Sure That The Butt And Shaft That I Receive Are The Ones That Are In Larry's For Sale Post.
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I am realy getting sick of repeating my self so I will copy and paste this response the next 50 times the same subject is brought up again.

1.Send the cue back to me
2. Drop the protest with paypal.
3. I will issue a refund minus shipping as I am not at fault in any way .
4. I talked to Evan Clarke He already knew about this cue and said it was an R2 and I did not mislead the buyer at all . I posted his number call him if you wish . When it comes to Schon cues I will trust Evan's opinion over anyone's except Bob Rhunde .
5. I will not issue a refund of any kind with the paypal dispute still open . that would leave me open to getting screwed twice and that will not happen.


Thats it I am sick of repeating my self . Thats the deal take it or leave it.
As for what anyone thinks this makes me look like I realy dont care as I know I have done nothing wrong and I have the support of those that matter. So if this changes your opinion of me then im sorry for that but I have done NOTHING wrong here . If you think that ganging up on me is going to pressure me into changing me mind you can think again . The buyer is lucky that I am offering a refund at all .

((( Edited to add))) When I get the cue back I hope it is in the exact same condition I sent it in .
If there is any thing done to those points you will be paying me to ship the cue back to you !
So if you have done anything to the finish or those points I will not issue a refund at all I would at that point expect you to pay for the shipping to get it back to you .

Option #2 Send the cue to Evan Clarke at Schon cues if he says I owe you a full refund than I will do that and pay him to ship it back to me . BUT if he says it is in fact an R2 as listed without the points being altered then you arrange shipping the cue back from Evan .

Now bash away ... Larry
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
I'm Going To Get In The Middle Here, Which Is Very Scary. But I Want To See This Go Away.

I Have Not Read The Entire Thread, Nor Do I Plan To Read It.

The Cue Will Be Sent Back To Me From Pinoy. If/when I Verify The Sharpie Points, Pinoy Expect (and Should Get) A Refund From Larry. Once The Refund Is Issued, I Will Send The Cue Back To Larry.

I Fully Understand Why Pinoy Would Not Want To Send The Cue Back, For The Fear Of Not Being Issued A Refund (not That I Don't Trust Larry, But This Is A Bad Situation)

I Don't Think Larry Knowingly Sold This Deceptively. He's Gonna Need To Go Back To Who He Got It From To Get This Fixed.

I Will Also Be Sure That The Butt And Shaft That I Receive Are The Ones That Are In Larry's For Sale Post.
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I will not be told what to do or what is going to happen !!!
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
I'm Going To Get In The Middle Here, Which Is Very Scary. But I Want To See This Go Away.

I Have Not Read The Entire Thread, Nor Do I Plan To Read It.

The Cue Will Be Sent Back To Me From Pinoy. If/when I Verify The Sharpie Points, Pinoy Expect (and Should Get) A Refund From Larry. Once The Refund Is Issued, I Will Send The Cue Back To Larry.

I Fully Understand Why Pinoy Would Not Want To Send The Cue Back, For The Fear Of Not Being Issued A Refund (not That I Don't Trust Larry, But This Is A Bad Situation)

I Don't Think Larry Knowingly Sold This Deceptively. He's Gonna Need To Go Back To Who He Got It From To Get This Fixed.

I Will Also Be Sure That The Butt And Shaft That I Receive Are The Ones That Are In Larry's For Sale Post.
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If the cue will be sent to anyone other than me than it will be Evan Clarke or I will not issue a refund at all !
 
irregardless of the issue with this cue, I have always been amazed at the number of players that can't see the difference, and don't care how different a full splice cue feels.

It just tells me how few serious players we have in our sport.
 
breakshot said:
irregardless of the issue with this cue, I have always been amazed at the number of players that can't see the difference, and don't care how different a full splice cue feels.

It just tells me how few serious players we have in our sport.
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I agree with you on this . I hit a few racks with the Schon R2 that we are talking about here and its hit is very sweet . You can tell the diff. in the hit
the cue plays fantastic !!! If I do get this cue back in the same shape I sent it I plan on keeping it and playing with it .

Thanks ... Larry
 
iowa_player said:
If the cue will be sent to anyone other than me than it will be Evan Clarke or I will not issue a refund at all !
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THAT TOLD ME ALL I NEED TO KNOW HERE......

MAYBE YOU DID KNOW WHAT YOU WERE SELLING WHEN YOU SOLD IT. I GAVE YOU THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT, BUT THIS LAST POST SHOWS ME YOU DON'T DESERVE THAT.

I THOUGHT YOU WERE A RESONABLE PERSON, I WAS WRONG.

ISSUE HIM A REFUND, YOU SOLD HIM A GROSSLY MISREPRESENTED CUE, THAT'S ON YOU, NOT HIM. MAYBE YOU SHOULD LOOK CLOSER AT THE CUES YOU SELL.
 
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iowa_player said:
I am realy getting sick of repeating my self so I will copy and paste this response the next 50 times the same subject is brought up again.

1.Send the cue back to me
2. Drop the protest with paypal.
3. I will issue a refund minus shipping as I am not at fault in any way .
4. I talked to Evan Clarke He already knew about this cue and said it was an R2 and I did not mislead the buyer at all . I posted his number call him if you wish . When it comes to Schon cues I will trust Evan's opinion over anyone's except Bob Rhunde .
5. I will not issue a refund of any kind with the paypal dispute still open . that would leave me open to getting screwed twice and that will not happen.


Thats it I am sick of repeating my self . Thats the deal take it or leave it.
As for what anyone thinks this makes me look like I realy dont care as I know I have done nothing wrong and I have the support of those that matter. So if this changes your opinion of me then im sorry for that but I have done NOTHING wrong here . If you think that ganging up on me is going to pressure me into changing me mind you can think again . The buyer is lucky that I am offering a refund at all .

((( Edited to add))) When I get the cue back I hope it is in the exact same condition I sent it in .
If there is any thing done to those points you will be paying me to ship the cue back to you !
So if you have done anything to the finish or those points I will not issue a refund at all I would at that point expect you to pay for the shipping to get it back to you .

Option #2 Send the cue to Evan Clarke at Schon cues if he says I owe you a full refund than I will do that and pay him to ship it back to me . BUT if he says it is in fact an R2 as listed without the points being altered then you arrange shipping the cue back from Evan .

Now bash away ... Larry
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Your some piece of work.

1- In case you missed it Evan has said that he doesnt want to be involved.

2- How nice of you to add a clause to your stupid copy/paste response that give you another out.

I dont know why people here are being nice. Its CLEAR to everyone including the three blind mice that the points were doctored. You state that you did nothing wrong and that is true and untrue. I don't know if you knew about the points- true. However your ad states at better than
90% R-2 and thats false. You also stated that the cue was in MINT condition -- false.

I can't believe that as a guy that buys and sells cues that you are being so stubborn. Pt yourself in the buyers position and ask yourself what you would do.
I don't think you would like dealing with a seller treating you like you are treating the guy.

You still wont answer a question the many people have asked. that leads me to not trust you. Looking at the pictures what do you think about the points?

Now in all fairness I have posted that the guy should send the cue back and you guys split shipping. Now you have added in the clause about the points and sending it back to him on his dime. Its like you continually give yourself a way out. WHY? You have to agree that the points were changed.

Also I would think that this forum is a pretty fair place. I have not seen one post that states that you knew the points were changed. Also not one post stating that the cue should not be allowed to be returned to you with shipping being split or you paying for it. That should tell you something.
I mean its $40. Pay the guy, get the cue back, investigate and find out what happened, accept that you made a bad deal and forget about it.
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
THAT TOLD ME ALL I NEED TO KNOW HERE......

MAYBE YOU DID KNOW WHAT YOU WERE SELLING WHEN YOU SOLD IT. I GAVE YOU THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT, BUT THIS LAST POST SHOWS ME YOU DON'T DESERVE THAT.

I THOUGHT YOU WERE A RESONABLE PERSON, I WAS WRONG.

ISSUE HIM A REFUND, YOU SOLD HIM A GROSSLY MISREPRESENTED CUE, THAT'S ON YOU, NOT HIM. MAYBE YOU SHOULD LOOK CLOSER AT THE CUES YOU SELL.
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I just tried to call you . Is your cell on ?
 
you mis-understand my meaning, a full splice cue usually has a much
better weight distribution and a nicer hit- inlaid points are just cosmetic, they serve no purpose!
 
iowa_player said:
If the cue will be sent to anyone other than me than it will be Evan Clarke or I will not issue a refund at all !
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Why aren't you willing to use escrow service? I will take care of escrow fees just agree to this "fair resolution". Larry, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell that the points were altered.

You want me to ship the cue back to you but you won't sign for the package if the dispute in paypal is still open? What kind of logic is that? You've already smothered shit all over your face here on the forum and you want me to trust you with both the cue and the money in your hands? I sought for escrow service to be fair for both of us. Evan doesn't want to be involved in this, I copied you on my conversation with him.
 
Well I don't know about anybody else, but the FIRST thing I look at is the points. Well actually everbody that I know that is into cues looks at the points, so being a cue dealer I find it hard to believe you didn't know.
This guy deserves a full refund including shipping for this obviously misrepresented cue. THIS IS AS BAD AS EW.
 
iowa_player said:
I just tried to call you . Is your cell on ?
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I'M RUNNING MY STORE.... YOU CALL FROM A PRIVATE NUMBER? I DON'T NORMALLY ANSWER CALLS FROM PRIVATE NUMBERS. MY THEORY IS, IF I CAN'T KNOW WHO'S CALLING, I DON'T NEED TO ANSWER.

IF YOU WANT, TRY ME AGAIN.
 
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