Capped or Std.
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capped is better
Hi,
If you don't cap your ferrules, then the wood tenon face can expand and pop off your tip. 99% of the time you will be fine, but I have seen it happen. Wood swells with moisture, ferrule material does not.
Rick
Hi,
If you don't cap your ferrules, then the wood tenon face can expand and pop off your tip. 99% of the time you will be fine, but I have seen it happen. Wood swells with moisture, ferrule material does not.
Rick
I read a post somewhere that if i cut off the cap on my Lucasi and had the tip right on the wood that it would hit like a Schon. Does this mean it will be a stiffer hit? And is it bad to do this?
I do not think so. A Lucasi will hit like a Lucasi and a Schon hits like a Schon. Two completely different cues in terms of construction, taper etc.
Not necessarily. But I will say that trying different tips (hardness level) will give you a broader range for experimentation rather than just removing the ferrule cap.
Not necessarily as well. But you're on the right track. Experimenting with different configurations for your cue will show you the direction that's right for you. Whether it be a harder or softer hit, extreme or mild feedback etc. Goodluck
I don't like a capped ferrule, whether it's ivory or not, I think if the shaft is capped, it's like putting a shock absorber on the end of the cue, I like to get feedback when I hit a shot, thru the shaft. I play 3 cushion billiards, my tip is 12mm, the ferrule is 12mm also, I like to have the tendon of my shafts 50% of the diameter of the tip,ferrule, so, in my case the tendon is 6mm in diameter. I feel the more of the wood on the tip, the more natural hit and feedback from striking the cue ball.IMO
Bill Smith "Mr3Cushion"
Bill Smith "Mr3Cushion"
Unless your tip or ferrell is rubber it isnt gonna change the hit if you cut the cap off and have the same tip ......wait cut the tip off with a razor without removing any leather then cut the cap off then glue it back on and presto same hit....if you cut the cap off the tip you put on will not be exactly like the tip you took off (hardness,shape) so it isnt gonna play the same...you can change everything heck you can make a cue out of fiberglass or graphite as long as it has the same taper and stiffness as your cue and the same hardness and shape of your tip and cue weight and balance it wouldnt matter if daffy duck made it it will hit like your cue...ivory is cosmetic, the only hit it affects is your break, break hard enough with a temperature change and you will break it....lol, also it doesnt matter if your joint is stainless, aluminum, titanium, or brass. if it weighs the same and your cue is tight it will play the same. what do you think a 2 piece cue was designed to hit like? a house cue....2 pieces were portable then they sold the idea of tapers, ferrells, tips, joints, butcaps, weights, different woods were magical...lol, different threads were the hype, but this is how a cuemaker survives, selling on what he has got and another hasnt. People buy into it all the time thinking they have to have the latest and greatest to make them magically better than before its like a diet fad to make you loose 20 pounds in 20 days. the only thing that will help you is to exercise! same thing in pool exercise your stroke, brain, and play its the only thing to make you better.take a idiot that has never played and get him to buy a 3 grand cue and you have a bigger idiot now thant cant make a ball. but he looks good
Thats one hell of a post!
And i agree buying a 3k cue isn't going to make you any better as long as the one you have now is decent.
And Daffey Duck can the the 8 and the break. I'll rob him.
CAPPED or UNCAPPED FERRULES
Your answer might be found in this thread. http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=160071 For me, I do not use capped ferrules as I am from the school that believes the ferrule is there to keep the wood from splitting. I make my tenons larger than most as I want as much wood-to-wood contact as I can possibly get without worrying about splitting the ferrule. I haven't lost one yet.
If you use a 5/16 tenon the root diameter of the thread is somewhere around
1/4" (most threads I have seen on tenons can hardly be called threads they are so butchered-up) and they may be borderline on the structural integrety of what is needed for the tenon.
The end result is mostly a tenon comprised of very little wood and a lot of epoxy. Of course, that is just my opinion. Bob
Your answer might be found in this thread. http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=160071 For me, I do not use capped ferrules as I am from the school that believes the ferrule is there to keep the wood from splitting. I make my tenons larger than most as I want as much wood-to-wood contact as I can possibly get without worrying about splitting the ferrule. I haven't lost one yet.
If you use a 5/16 tenon the root diameter of the thread is somewhere around
1/4" (most threads I have seen on tenons can hardly be called threads they are so butchered-up) and they may be borderline on the structural integrety of what is needed for the tenon.
The end result is mostly a tenon comprised of very little wood and a lot of epoxy. Of course, that is just my opinion. Bob
what do you think a 2 piece cue was designed to hit like? a house cue....2 pieces were portable then they sold the idea of tapers, ferrells, tips, joints, butcaps, weights, different woods were magical...lol, different threads were the hype, but this is how a cuemaker survives, selling on what he has got and another hasnt. People buy into it all the time thinking they have to have the latest and greatest to make them magically better than before its like a diet fad to make you loose 20 pounds in 20 days. the only thing that will help you is to exercise! same thing in pool exercise your stroke, brain, and play its the only thing to make you better.take a idiot that has never played and get him to buy a 3 grand cue and you have a bigger idiot now thant cant make a ball. but he looks good
I agree with this (abridged) post.
We have a guy in our league night who just got a new (Lucasi I think) with metal intertwined into the wood and he thinks this thing is the cat's ass. I hit some balls with it, and it seems to function fine- no funny noises, and the hit is solid. It has a rubber grip to 'isolate' the shooter from the cue. WTF?!?!
I try so hard to make a cue 'speak' to the player and this is the latest craze... Wow. I agree, if it has a buzz or some other malady, you don't want to feel it, but come ON! this is crazy. On the plus side, if the buyer BELIEVES it is better, he will focus more and play a better game, which he will blame on the cue. Practice is certainly the key. I will now be offering space-age memory foam grips...
It does look cool. I give them that for sure.:wink:
His is the 'latest' mine is 'old-school'. I like mine better even though his looks a lot better... Hell, some house cues look better than mine does!
No problem!
Remove the butt cap and install replaceable Surefire lithium batteries... Once they are in just 'click' the butt cap to turn it on. (An inlayed bi-color LED lets you know when on, and then warm).
As an option to cues with the heated grip option, a ferrule heater can be requested to prevent cracking your Ivory b keeping it at the ideal temperature.
Remove the butt cap and install replaceable Surefire lithium batteries... Once they are in just 'click' the butt cap to turn it on. (An inlayed bi-color LED lets you know when on, and then warm).
As an option to cues with the heated grip option, a ferrule heater can be requested to prevent cracking your Ivory b keeping it at the ideal temperature.
I went almost that long without missing a ball also. From birth until I was several years old. Then I picked up a cue and started playing pool and I have been missing balls ever since.
Capped ferrule=more durable but deflection police will say it makes the ball squirt more due to higher end mass.
Uncapped ferrule does not have more "feel" imo. How can wood on leather have better feel than ivory under leather?
Uncapped ferrule will only have wood in the center, meaning you'd only use that wood on center ball hits. How much more feel do you have if you hit off-center when the walls of the ferrule come into play?
Since most ferrule materials are HARDER than maple, I fail to understand the logic of ferrule face being a "shock absorber".
Uncapped ferrule does not have more "feel" imo. How can wood on leather have better feel than ivory under leather?
Uncapped ferrule will only have wood in the center, meaning you'd only use that wood on center ball hits. How much more feel do you have if you hit off-center when the walls of the ferrule come into play?
Since most ferrule materials are HARDER than maple, I fail to understand the logic of ferrule face being a "shock absorber".
dave sutton
Banned
agree...........................