Center to where...Pro what..

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I have been reading all this stuff today, and honestly I never even heard of ETE aiming before. So I sent out a PM asking for clarity on the technique, and I went downstairs and tried it out. It works. I don't know why, but it works.

I believe that some people on here are looking for the ultimate aiming system to replace all common sense about the game. I found out very quickly through trial and error how to aim certain shots. ie ETE ETC... It really comes down to just paying attention to what you are doing. If you use the system and the shot doesn't look right, then well your probably using the wrong method. If it looks right, and you miss then there is possibly an issue with your stroke.
 
Mowem down said:
Im sure its just me but he might as well been speaking in martian. I would gladly return that Dvd for my money.
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"The moment a person forms a theory, his imagination sees in every object only the traits which favor that theory." -Thomas Jefferson

Open your mind, take the time to completely understand the system, try it for 30 days and then comment on the effectiveness. Otherwise, your comments have no credibility.
 
cleary said:
Im not looking for an argument, just a clearer explanation of my two unclear points. If I could get that from JB, spiderweb or stan, then I'll be very happy.

Mostly, I just want to know how I can see both the CTE line and edge of cueball to A, B, or C at the same time. To me, when I get down on CTE, when I look at the edge of the cueball, I don't know how I could switch from A to B to C without leaving the CTE line. To me, the Edge to A/B/C line seems more important than the CTE line. Pleases correct me if Im wrong, I just want to understand, not argue.
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When you are lining up your cue for edge to edge, you want to have your head in the right place. You do this by putting your head in such a position that when looking down edge to edge, without moving your head from that position, you shift your eyes to the opposite edge of the cb, that should line up to A,B,or C. You shift your head position until it lines up both sides of the cb to the places you want. THAT is the position that you then pivot to center cue ball. THAT is what gives you the proper center cueball. If you aren't lined up properly to start with, then you will not shift to the proper center, and will miss the ball.
 
Watch a couple of my videos on 4 1/2 inch pockets and tell me that I am guessing. You do not see me walking over to find a point on an object ball. I use a shaft method, it works well for me but I still need to put in the time and focus on what I am doing. My mechanics could use work for sure but this method has been the biggest improvement for my game, its not CTE exactly but another method.

One Pocket Drill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAJH_08np_c

12 and Out One Pocket

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxU14VHQFOA
 
8pack said:
This is where i have a problem also.Lets say you have a thin cut shot to the right.Lets leave the balls there and now we want to bank the ball to the other side of the table which will require a thinner cut.
You cannot sight true cte and 2 different spots on the object ball if the balls are left in the the same place.Something has to change and if something changes on the ob then center will change on the cb.
Also distance you stand from the cb may play a role in how you see both edges behind the cb.

I am not trying to be negative just explaining the problem i have going about it like its explained.
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I still have to view Stan's DVD a few more times to understand his way. This is how I do it now, and it works great for me. In the diagram, I line up the left edge of the cb to the left edge of the ob, plant my bridge hand, and pivot at my hips only, keeping the rest of my upper body in the same plane, until I get to center cb. I do this while getting down on the shot. I then , and at the same time, reposition my right foot to where it is comfortable. The cue cannot move during this process, it has to stay on the cb center line. This line is shown by the 2 ball in the diagram.

To bank the same shot, I line up edge of cb to center of ob. Pivot to center, and shoot. It will bank the ball off the short rail to the diagram bottom left pocket. That line is shown by the 3 ball.

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Neil said:
When you are lining up your cue for edge to edge, you want to have your head in the right place. You do this by putting your head in such a position that when looking down edge to edge, without moving your head from that position, you shift your eyes to the opposite edge of the cb, that should line up to A,B,or C. You shift your head position until it lines up both sides of the cb to the places you want. THAT is the position that you then pivot to center cue ball. THAT is what gives you the proper center cueball. If you aren't lined up properly to start with, then you will not shift to the proper center, and will miss the ball.
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Thank you Neil. I actually just sent spiderwebcomm an email and he explained this to me.

Instead of trying to be on BOTH lines, you start at "CTE" and THEN shift your eyes to the "cueball edge to A/B/C", then get down, pivot, shoot, give Shane the 8.

I'll be giving this a try tonight.
 
JB Cases said:
Yeah I put Stan's info in the description. I intend to make some new videos to replace this one. Especially once I have my new stroke ingrained into my game. A proper stroke combined with CTE as I know it now it the nuts per my experience this week.

Some of the shots I miss on this video with my lousy stroke are now dead nuts hangers for me. Only my arm and shoulder hurts like hell from several hours of using muscles that I wasn't before.

And I will do a video review of Stan's video. I can't wait to watch it.
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I do wish you had it now. Im sure you will like it wich is totaly fine like ive stated in many posts on aiming if it works for you by all means. But there is a part at the very begining of the banking part that pretty much fried my last brain cell and I would love to see what you say.
 
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After watching the video and getting some help from spiderwebcomm, I'm convinced the only there is just a small difference between CTE and 90/90, which is why they produce the same result.

90/90, you aim edge of the balls, CTE you aim edge to quarters.
90/90, you pivot from edge to center, CTE you pivot only half a tip.

Before I say anything else, give me a few months to see which one I like more. I think there are aspects of each that I could blend together but we shall see.
 
Tap, tap, tap, Neil!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Neil said:
You just proved your first statement correct. There is a lot more to playing top pool than just making the balls. Maybe, in time, if you open your mind, you will learn that. There is also a lot more to just making a ball than having a perfect aiming system. Maybe you will in time learn that too.

Basically, with CTE, if a ball is makeable to a hole, you can make it with the system. Providing that you have a straight stroke. No more need to play safe because you aren't familiar with a certain shot, or are scared of a certain shot. I have the same confidence with the "tough" shots that I do with the "easy" shots. That alone makes a huge difference.

At the top level of pool, you will seldom see a player miss a ball. However, 99% of us are not top players, and we do miss. Now we have a very good way to miss a whole lot less. Apparently, by knocking CTE, you must enjoy missing balls. I've seen people like that, they play on coin operated tables so they get their moneys worth.
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Mowem down said:
Im sure its just me but he might as well been speaking in martian. I would gladly return that Dvd for my money...And how can anybody say publicly they dont beleave the pros aim any certain way, and that when their info gets out the pros are going to " hone their skills even more and become more consistent" I dont think even I could say somthing so arrogant.
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Will you give it more time at the table or is it after watching it (DVD) not self evident?
 
poolplaya said:
WTF!!!!!!!!!! Can you really not spell believe????? How can anyone ever take any opinion of yours seriously????? People on here are just awesome!!!!!
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The best part is I also cant play worth a sh*t and after spending countless hours talking about this game with great players like D. louie, J.Madden, and others I dont know sh*t. And I for one am totaly with you, even though J.Schmidt said " your great with those ? " I wouldnt beleave a dern thing I type...

p.s. since I brought him up although I dont think he types all that well why dont you send Mr. 400 a pm and ask what he thinks of this aiming system. I talked to him about it for a good half hour god knows if I tried to type the conversation there would be way to many misspelled words.
 
too confusing

I would absolutely love to be able to take this system to the table and try it. However, I must be to stupid to do so because I cannot for the life of me grasp the concept and everytime I try miss horribly. If someone would like to try to explain this concept to me in a way I might grasp shoot me a pm :)
 
Pro-what?

I'm having trouble with the video. One place near the beginning of chapter 4 it has pictures of the right pivot on the left side of the CB middle and the left pivot on the right side and then a few minutes later when he is illustrating a very slight cut to the center pocket the pictures are reversed.
I'm not sure how the hand is helped by sliding it toward the CB rather than placing it. Also, I don't know what the ABC illustrates. It's not totally covered in the video as far as aiming is concerned. He says to look at the CCB to the OBE and move the head slightly to A B or C but not what to do with it.
I realize I need a lesson on this but that's out of the question from here in California. If anybody can help me I would be glad to call you and see if we can work out the basics and then I'm not afraid to practice. The system has to be good, it's just I can't work it out. Sorry to be negative but it is unclear to me.
 
Sean...The method you describe is, indeed, a legitimate aiming method, and one that, imo, every pro uses at least for some, if not a majority of shots. It's called the "feel" method of aiming. You see it, you feel it, you do it. I'm in agreement that any of us can get caught up in over analyzing things. I like CTE, and it makes sense to me. For others, they can use anything that appeals to them...ghost ball, 90/90, contact point...whatever works. :grin:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

sfleinen said:
I play at the Open level, and this is exactly how I aim... I don't. At least consciously. I'm not thinking angles, or pivots, or edges of the ball, or anything like that. I just get behind the shot, see the "back of ball" (the back-of-ball aiming method as used in snooker), eclipse it by the amount my subconscious tells me, a few practice strokes to be sure my delivery arm mechanics are correct, and then FIRE. I trust my subconscious, and especially in stressful situations, it's gotten me out of a lot of jams -- those that my conscious mind surely would've f*cked up by over-analysis.

-Sean
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NineBallNut said:
I would absolutely love to be able to take this system to the table and try it. However, I must be to stupid to do so because I cannot for the life of me grasp the concept and everytime I try miss horribly. If someone would like to try to explain this concept to me in a way I might grasp shoot me a pm :)
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I'm with you. I feel like I completely blew a lot of money on this and I'm pretty bummed about it. I really wanted to get it but I honestly don't think Stan can teach the system on a video. I watched it several times and tried it so many times and so many shots are missed. (I can make long straight shots all day. Stroke is solid.)I feel like I would have to get a lesson. It seems like a lot of people that really praise the video have already had a lesson so I can understand that.

I actually got way more out of Cleary's 90/90 video on youtube. I get that other people are loving it but if there is a refund option I will be opting to go that route. :(
 
PocketPoint said:
Compared to many here, I know little about pool.

The claims have been that CTE causes you to make every shot. So you'll undoubtedly start winning major tournaments, unless another CTE beats you.
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The point I think you are missing Pocketpoint is that knowing how to pocket balls doesn't make you a great cue artist. knowing cte if opts an advantage to be a better potter is great. If you know cte and have a lousy stroke or that you don't hit center ball (for example) perfectly all the time or if you falter under pressure in tournaments all the cte knowledge won't get you a us open or even a club tournament win. But it will get you closer than the day before you knew about it. You're kidding yourself if you don't think that once you know cte that your not in for years of practice.
 
No matter how you slice it, aiming is perceptual. All of us perceive differently, just as we think differently, process information differently, and are built differently. Consequently there is no "one size fits all" method of doing anything...aiming or otherwise. There are some practices, that make sense to many players, and once they master those practices, believe that they play at a higher level. Once you reach a level of expertise, our desire is to keep playing that way. Unfortunately, for most of us, that high level of play is fleeting at best. The key is knowing what to do, when things go awry. If I don't know how to diagnose what errors I make, how can I expect to know what to do to "fix" them? If CTE (in any of it's various forms) helps you, then use it. If you don't understand it (or it seems like 'voodoo'), use whatever works best for you!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
LAMas said:
Will you give it more time at the table or is it after watching it (DVD) not self evident?
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Good ?.... Ive followed these aiming threads for a lomg time for the simple fact I believe knowledge is power in this game and i like the search for the knowledge... I was glad to see this DVD was comng out for that reason and the fact I was hoping it would end all the BS that goes with trying to talk about aiming on here, much like any given topic. When I watched it letdown would be putting it way under mildly... The info is to me just crazy to try to listen to. I have played with it and have figured a way to sight with the cte and do a parallel shift standing up to find a contact/aiming point that appears to work on shallow degree cuts. However neat of a trick I think ive came up with, its not due to the dvd as much as me wanting to make somthing out of all the time ive spent listening to all this cte stuff.
 
Scott Lee said:
No matter how you slice it, aiming is perceptual. All of us perceive differently, just as we think differently, process information differently, and are built differently. Consequently there is no "one size fits all" method of doing anything...aiming or otherwise. There are some practices, that make sense to many players, and once they master those practices, believe that they play at a higher level. Once you reach a level of expertise, our desire is to keep playing that way. Unfortunately, for most of us, that high level of play is fleeting at best. The key is knowing what to do, when things go awry. If I don't know how to diagnose what errors I make, how can I expect to know what to do to "fix" them? If CTE (in any of it's various forms) helps you, then use it. If you don't understand it (or it seems like 'voodoo'), use whatever works best for you!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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As much as it PAINS me I must admit you made a great post here... Personally I was expecting a reason to ad another quil to my Scott Lee voo doo doll...hahahahahahaha... One of the best things a BCA Inst. ever told me was "If you keep missing a shot you better find a new way of aiming it"
 
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