Challenge of Champions dump

BeiberLvr

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Nonsense. You don't need to have heard the "fix theory" to see Hall is throwing that match. Look at his reactions to his misses. Great pool player? Yes. Good actor? Hell no.

Everyone is free to make up their own mind about this, but check out his reaction after missing the 1 ball in this US Open match against Parica and compare it to any of his misses or scratches in the Lebron match. When he misses the 1 against Parica. There's no stick waving. He just stands there like most players do after a genuine miss and stares at the table for a few seconds.

http://youtu.be/6SfnfsLN4iA?t=16m56s

Also, watch his reaction after each match is over. Against Parica, he's eliminated, but is still guaranteed money. Yet his reaction is all frowns and disappointment. Against Lebron, he's also out, but not guaranteed any money (per the format). Except in this one he's all smiles.
 

Poolshootindon

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Just a thought

I've said over and over that I have no idea what Buddy was thinking or doing that day, it's just proper respect to give him the benefit of the doubt. The points I've made have to do with people saying that this 'Challenge of Champions' hurt pro pool and the ability to gamble and/or have events at Casinos.

No matter what happened in that final it had no negative effects on Pro Pool and the 'Challenge of Champions' went on (unscathed) another 20+ years and generated millions for Matt Braun, ESPN and some industry businesses.

I played in one of the next 'Challenge of Champions' (94) and could have bet on myself getting 7/2 on the money. This means I could have made three and a half times my money.......and probably retire on a uncharted island off the coast of South America.

Incidentally, I remember because I was going to do bet $200., but couldn't get the rest of the players to dump off the tournament to bet 7/2 on me - I'm still hot about that!

CJ. Maybe they thought it would take to long to dump enough games to get you to the finals.

Don :)
 

jay helfert

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Let's face the facts, if you or anyone else believes it was "a fix" then there's nothing on earth than can change your minds.

Buddy says he "dogged his brains out," and that's how it appears to anyone that doesn't believe in the "fix theory".

I've said all along that I don't know for sure what Buddy was thinking - I do know that the match didn't get investigated by the Mirage, the PBTA, Matt Braun or the Nevada Gaming Commission......so if there was anything wrong it didn't raise the concern of any of the governing bodies of pool, gambling, or the 'Challenge of Champions'

This is INCORRECT! I don't have time right now to educate you my all knowing friend. ;)
 

Celtic

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There's more than just "black and white" - there's millions of people that believe they didn't evolve from monkeys AND believe the world's millions (if not billions) of years old.

It is billions of years old, not millions. We have geological formations with rock over 1 billion years old on this planet and we can date that very accurately using isotope analysis of radioactive elements within the rock that start "recording" the time they have existed at the moment they form into a solid rock from a molten origin. The Canadian Shield is some of the oldest rock on this planet and we know that very clearly. If you want to spout off about science as you did earlier in this thread you might want to actually listen to what they say about... science.

Evolution is another scientific theory that is close to universally recognized and accepted by the scientific community (please don't run to Google now and find a quote from some "professor" that teaches at a Christian college). There are clear signs of evolution all around us. Why do you think African's are born with black skin and tend to be thinner in build then those whose ancestors lived in cold climates? It is not adaptation to the sun because the children are "BORN" with black skin and they can move to a cold climate and they do not lose their "tan". The increased permanent melanin in their skin is an evolutionary trait that evolved in response to the climate in which their ancestors lived and our white skin is a product of the same thing.

Science has tested evolution in fruit flies and seen rapid change in genetic code within populations based on environmental pressures. We have also purposely altered the genetics of many plant species, you know that wheat that made the bread you ate this morning? Yeah, that is not even close to the species of "wheat" that was initially domesticated, the grains, fruits, and vegetables we produce today are products of human selective breeding that has occurred over hundreds and even thousands of years.

Evolution is one of the most accepted theories in science today, when looking at actual scientists.
 

MahnaMahna

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Oh screw off. I wasn't calling Jay a crook. See the big smiley after the sentence.

Frankly it isn't worth two cents for me to know either way. I said it could have happened but I don't think it did and gave my reasons for thinking that.

I certainly am not going to bet any ****ing thing on this. But I will bet that I can find 100 people who can look at footage and not think dump. Then I can find another hundred and make the majority of them day it was a dump.

Bet me on that if you got any balls. If not shut up.

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So you can cancel the bets? Why anyone would want to have anything to do with bad action such as yourself, is just stupid.

By the way, are you so insecure with yourself that you can't just state your opinion? Enough with the BS bet challenges, it is nothing but an artificial ego inflation. You are a joke.
 

KRJ

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I certainly am not going to bet any ****ing thing on this. But I will bet that I can find 100 people who can look at footage and not think dump. Then I can find another hundred and make the majority of them day it was a dump.

Bet me on that if you got any balls. If not shut up.

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I bet I can find 100 players, non pro, and not even shortstop level, just good league players, that will take both of those two shots that are in question the most... the 8 ball shank and the 8/9 combo, and they can make both shots for whatever someone wants to bet. They have to get out in both scenarios.

Thus, they have something to lose cause they are playing with their own money and not "free rolling" it in a tourney....

Nobody would make the bet of course, but it goes to show, that the shots were not even difficult enough to "sweat".....
 

JoeyInCali

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I bet I can find 100 players, non pro, and not even shortstop level, just good league players, that will take both of those two shots that are in question the most... the 8 ball shank and the 8/9 combo, and they can make both shots for whatever someone wants to bet. They have to get out in both scenarios.

Thus, they have something to lose cause they are playing with their own money and not "free rolling" it in a tourney....

Nobody would make the bet of course, but it goes to show, that the shots were not even difficult enough to "sweat".....

I bet Buddy on motorized cart would make that 8 ball for 50k.
I wouldn't bet against it .
 

KRJ

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I bet Buddy on motorized cart would make that 8 ball for 50k.
I wouldn't bet against it .

LOL. I might even take the bet shooting left handed.... and I don't ever shoot left handed, but for these two hangers, I'd make an exception ;)
 

mia

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You figured it out....Buddy Hall lost so the terrorists couldn't win in 1991. (they had to wait 10 more years)

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You're one of those 'Building 7' conspiracy theorists, aren't you?

B <---------- LOL at 'no apparent reason'
 
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Blue Hog ridr

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Oh screw off. I wasn't calling Jay a crook. See the big smiley after the sentence.
How come no big smiley after you told me to Eff Off? Oh, you were serious. What can I say other than it gave me a good chuckle to get told to Screw Off from JB.

Frankly it isn't worth two cents for me to know either way. I said it could have happened but I don't think it did and gave my reasons for thinking that.

Well Frankly, I'm not the one getting Boners from typing my little fingers off in this thread. If knowing the truth doesn't matter to you either way, I have no idea why you are laboring the issue so much.

I certainly am not going to bet any ****ing thing on this.

Of course not because you would lose. Jay singled you out for the bet over anyone else because it is obvious that it matters to you more than anyone else.


But I will bet that I can find 100 people who can look at footage and not think dump. Then I can find another hundred and make the majority of them day it was a dump.

What a foolish bet. Is that the best you can come up with. Myself or anyone else in this thread could easily do the same.

Bet me on that if you got any balls. If not shut up.

Oh, so I should take on a foolish bet with you just to prove that I have Balls?

My first 2 chuckles of the day. getting told to Screw Off at the beginning of your post and then to Shut Up at the end.

Imagine that, getting told to Shut Up by JB.
 

KRJ

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You're one of those 'Building 7' conspiracy theorists, aren't you?

I especially like the caption "for no appearent" reason.. LOL. Yes, fire had "nothing" to do with the collapse??. I guess Rosie O'Donnel was right, the first time in HISTORY that steel was melted by fire??

Yep, those are her exact words. Yet, some folks want to stand with Rosie, I'll stand with the engineering experts and fire experts who have NO skin in the outcome of why the buidling fell. They were from all parts of the country, and all said the same thing... funny how that works :rolleyes:
 
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JB Cases

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I bet I can find 100 players, non pro, and not even shortstop level, just good league players, that will take both of those two shots that are in question the most... the 8 ball shank and the 8/9 combo, and they can make both shots for whatever someone wants to bet. They have to get out in both scenarios.

Thus, they have something to lose cause they are playing with their own money and not "free rolling" it in a tourney....

Nobody would make the bet of course, but it goes to show, that the shots were not even difficult enough to "sweat".....


You have action. 100 good league players for $100 per try. Have to make both shots, the 8 and the combo. We pay off on the difference.

Let's do this at the upcoming BCAPL event with a 9ft table. You come on out and we will get it set up.

I think the majority of good league will players will dog one or both of those shots with one shot to do it.
 

JB Cases

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So you can cancel the bets? Why anyone would want to have anything to do with bad action such as yourself, is just stupid.

By the way, are you so insecure with yourself that you can't just state your opinion? Enough with the BS bet challenges, it is nothing but an artificial ego inflation. You are a joke.

At least I am not anonymous.

Not a wannawannabe. Can't post under your real name because then you might have face the people you troll someday. Can't have that.
 

JB Cases

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Everyone is free to make up their own mind about this, but check out his reaction after missing the 1 ball in this US Open match against Parica and compare it to any of his misses or scratches in the Lebron match. When he misses the 1 against Parica. There's no stick waving. He just stands there like most players do after a genuine miss and stares at the table for a few seconds.

http://youtu.be/6SfnfsLN4iA?t=16m56s

Also, watch his reaction after each match is over. Against Parica, he's eliminated, but is still guaranteed money. Yet his reaction is all frowns and disappointment. Against Lebron, he's also out, but not guaranteed any money (per the format). Except in this one he's all smiles.


Um, he registers frustration, and swings his cue.

I guess you have never been in a match where nothing is going right. Sometimes all you can do is laugh at the rolls.

But kudos for doing the research.

I hope all players thinking of dumping will take this thread as a warning. We will analyze every match we find and run forensics on your every action. This is the internet age son and we are all CSI.

:)
 

mia

AzB Silver Member
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I especially like the caption "for no appearent" reason.. LOL. Yes, fire had "nothing" to do with the collapse??. I guess Rosie O'Donnel was right, the first time in HISTORY that steel was melted by fire??

Yep, those are her exact words. Yet, some folks want to stand with Rosie, I'll stand with the engineering experts and fire experts who have NO skin in the outcome of why the buidling fell. They were from all parts of the country, and all said the same thing... funny how that works :rolleyes:

Lol.
Massive structural damage from falling debris + seven hours of uncontrolled fire = "No Apparent Reason"
 

JoeyInCali

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I especially like the caption "for no appearent" reason.. LOL. Yes, fire had "nothing" to do with the collapse??. I guess Rosie O'Donnel was right, the first time in HISTORY that steel was melted by fire??

Yep, those are her exact words. Yet, some folks want to stand with Rosie, I'll stand with the engineering experts and fire experts who have NO skin in the outcome of why the buidling fell. They were from all parts of the country, and all said the same thing... funny how that works :rolleyes:

Did she think you go to the forest to cut steel trees ?:D
 
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