Chinese made Pool tables
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Do they come with a one piece slate? Or, how about Dyamondwood rails? How about their resale value, do they drop down to almost nothing? What about a warrenty? Do they support pool, or just support making money for themselves? "Table Jocky"...???
25th November 2010
Star Xing Pai is official table supplier to World Snooker. Star Xing Pai is also the title sponsor of the six Players Tour Championship events staged at the World Snooker Academy in Sheffield. www.xingpaibilliard.com/cn/
http://www.worldsnooker.com/page/StarXingPai/0,,13165~2230313,00.html
Star Xing Pai is official table supplier to World Snooker. Star Xing Pai is also the title sponsor of the six Players Tour Championship events staged at the World Snooker Academy in Sheffield. www.xingpaibilliard.com/cn/
http://www.worldsnooker.com/page/StarXingPai/0,,13165~2230313,00.html
I agree that it is a decent table when set up right. Do I agree that it plays like a Gold Crown or Diamond, NO!
Anything from China, unless made to strict specifications in the material & configuration is not going to match up with American made parts or products.
A man from China is no different than a man from America, however there are certain restraints that create limits on what any man can do. Most products are made from drawing with tolerances for production. But, when the raw material list is vague or the tolerances are opened up, the quality of the product is affected.
There are millions of products MADE TO SELL, but are they made to use for a reasonable length of time... the answer is no. This means the manufacturer is happy he got your money, but you may not be happy using their product. They don't care, because there more where you come from.
On most America Pool tables, most of the rubber cushions won't last like they used to. The consumer is used to this, so they buy more rubber cushions.
My 1905 Brunswick Monterrey Mission had gum rubber rails & they were still good in 2002. My latest Golden West had rails dried & cracked, in 5 years.
My Sierra pickup had bad parts at 67,000 miles, do you think GM cared... Ha!Ha!Ha!
There once was a phrase, "You get what you pay for". Too bad that no longer applies in all cases.
A man from China is no different than a man from America, however there are certain restraints that create limits on what any man can do. Most products are made from drawing with tolerances for production. But, when the raw material list is vague or the tolerances are opened up, the quality of the product is affected.
There are millions of products MADE TO SELL, but are they made to use for a reasonable length of time... the answer is no. This means the manufacturer is happy he got your money, but you may not be happy using their product. They don't care, because there more where you come from.
On most America Pool tables, most of the rubber cushions won't last like they used to. The consumer is used to this, so they buy more rubber cushions.
My 1905 Brunswick Monterrey Mission had gum rubber rails & they were still good in 2002. My latest Golden West had rails dried & cracked, in 5 years.
My Sierra pickup had bad parts at 67,000 miles, do you think GM cared... Ha!Ha!Ha!
There once was a phrase, "You get what you pay for". Too bad that no longer applies in all cases.
Yup! Got to pay for water now at "Hanks"
Very valid points.
Um, not quite. In some cases those brands do play well when set up right but they have the advantage of having COPIED the best in the world.
The DIFFERENCE is that with the brand name the consumer is likely to get the top quality that they paid for. With the off brand knockoff they might get good quality and then they might not.
It's a stone cold FACT that a lot of the knockoffs are NOT made to the same standards. Often the table mechanics will have to PRODUCE modifications and improvements to get the tables working right.
So imagine what this means when you have to set up a whole room full of these tables and each one has a "problem" needing to be solved. Maybe they all get solved and the tables end up all playing great. Maybe they don't.
For amateurs the knockoffs all pretty much play good enough. But for pros they notice the differences. And they overcome them because they are pros.
Yalin/Star tables are decent but most of what they make are knockoffs of the name brands. So without the branding and marketing and design of the name brands to copy from then there would be no Star or Yalin.
So actually the people who need name brands the most are the people who sponge off of the work done by those name brands.
I am glad to see what people really think of the free market... 
JV
JV
I will second that - from experience.
I was recently in China and played on their knock off Gold Crown... I don't know how to explain, but it felt like table was missing solidity... like it was hallow inside or something.
As for Diamond knock off, I didn't see any. So you know, this pool hall I visited in Beijing that stayed pack 24 hours had over 30 9ft tables with 'snooker' pockets and only 1 pool table.
Later I visited another pool room which had 2 pool tables and rest 9 ft snooker style, had Star Tables too but I didn't like it much either. I'm just a table snob
I guess 
Another interesting point, I don't think Chinese pool table mechanics/ builders know anything about 'Dyamondwood' either.
S.G.
In pool the major sponsors are Yalin and Star for tables. Those two companies have the reputation for building the best tables BUT there are many companies whose tables aren't much below them.
In the pool rooms around me most tables play pretty good. About as good as the average pool room in the USA. One thing here is that the balls are ALWAYS clean, the tables are ALWAYS clean.
Pockets vary from 4.5 down to 4". Most pool rooms will have a few tables with very tight pockets for the house pros to practice on and for gambling sessions.
Rails are funny. They don't react right, too bouncy most of the time. Cloth is generally closer to Simonis 760 than 860. For some reason they love fast cloth here.
Foreign players often have a lot of trouble with the tables. They take some getting used to, especially the cloth. But for the most part they play ok and at the end of the day it's the same equipment for both players.
If you went to a major event here you would think that Brunswick sponsored it because all the tables would look like Gold Crown 5s that someone got funky with. Now there are a bunch of "hybrids" where you can see the underlying Gold Crown 5 design and how some strange decoration has been applied.
Rarely do you see a table that is not derived from the Brunswick models. I have seen Diamond copies here but those are not in the pool rooms that I have seen and they are not used in tournaments that I have been to.
A good table mechanic can make a lot of money by coming here to train the Chinese. These guys are decent at putting tables together but they could benefit from from some professional instruction.
I spent the day once with a guy near Portland, OR because he wanted to talk to me about the In's & outs about designing and building coin-operated pool tables a while back. The whole time we were talking, he kept saying that his selling point of the tables he was going to built...was that they'd be "Genuine American Made". After a few hours of hearing what he want to do, and how, he asked me if I'd help him design his coin-operated pool tables...and when could I start.
I thought for a few moments, then told him...I'd help him just as soon as he bought "Genuine American Made Power Tools"!
They play like the old Color of Money, Murrey tables.
I spent the day once with a guy near Portland, OR because he wanted to talk to me about the In's & outs about designing and building coin-operated pool tables a while back. The whole time we were talking, he kept saying that his selling point of the tables he was going to built...was that they'd be "Genuine American Made". After a few hours of hearing what he want to do, and how, he asked me if I'd help him design his coin-operated pool tables...and when could I start.
I thought for a few moments, then told him...I'd help him just as soon as he bought "Genuine American Made Power Tools"!
And did you recommend that he put Genuine American Made Cloth on his tables?
If not then why not?
when it comes to a pool table given the weight and size I'd say aim for buying the best one in your neck of the woods
Because there is no Genuine American made cloth worth a shit, because the worlds best cloths are not made in this country!