Chuck Bobbit update

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jay helfert said:
Look Sunny, here is how I feel about this. We NEVER put any time frame in writing, just agreed to give him time to make good. He told me then, that he would have it paid off in three months or less. That time frame has come and gone, and now he does not answer my calls or e-mails.

He has lied to me over and over again from the get go. I don't owe him one more day!
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Jay,

I agree with your decision completely. If he is allowed to take advantage of you, as well as many others, without repercussions what is that going to tell him? The only way that people learn to stop this behavior is to punish them. Talk is cheap. Take legal action as necessary to recoup your losses before it is too late.
JMO
Dan
 
quedup said:
Jay,

I agree with your decision completely. If he is allowed to take advantage of you, as well as many others, without repercussions what is that going to tell him? The only way that people learn to stop this behavior is to punish them. Talk is cheap. Take legal action as necessary to recoup your losses before it is too late.
JMO
Dan
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If it was a first or second time promoter i could see your point but this guy put on tournaments and paid off for years as i understand it. He is in his 50's or 60's right? He just fu*ked up IMHO.
 
actually what was reported on here

Sunny,

The one year timetable on the contract was reported right here on AZB. I don't know if that was accurate or if Jay signed a contract. I think all of the players that accepted Mark's deal did. The terms of the contract are binding on both parties so all the players can do is wait a year if that is what the contract says. No lawyer or DA will touch trying to enforce a contract that isn't in default.

Hu



sunnyday said:
Sorry Jay, I was confused thinking he was given a year...

I wasn't trying to make any excuses for CB or to say he deserves any pardoning... he did many things wrong here, but I don't think his intention in the beginning to rip people off. Just things start to go wrong and he eventually lost control of EVERYTHING.

I do hope someone gets his attention for him to settle this out of court.

Good luck to you and everyone who needs settling.

S.
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Hu's Right!

ShootingArts said:
Sunny,

The one year timetable on the contract was reported right here on AZB. I don't know if that was accurate or if Jay signed a contract. I think all of the players that accepted Mark's deal did. The terms of the contract are binding on both parties so all the players can do is wait a year if that is what the contract says. No lawyer or DA will touch trying to enforce a contract that isn't in default.

Hu
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Here's the Quote from Jay :;)

Ray

jay helfert said:
Okay, good news at last. Mark Griffin has come to the rescue of the pool players and me. He bought some pool tables that Chuck Bobbitt owned and paid the money (thru an agreement with Chuck) directly to us. This was all finalized last night here in Las Vegas.

We each got paid 70% of what we were owed. In Johnny's case, he was owed $12,000 (for his bad check), and he received $8,400. Mark wrote us all checks and we endorsed them and he cashed them immediately. So now, we have a balance of 30% still due from Chuck Bobbitt. We each received a Promissory Note saying that Chuck has a year to pay this debt with 10% interest.
No one is holding our breaths regarding the 30% still due us, but privately Chuck is saying he wants to clear this up as quickly as possible. We'll see!
All of us are quite glad that Mark stepped in here. There was one more unexpected bonus for the five players still due money. The UPA had received a $1,500 Sanctioning Fee from Bobbitt prior to the tournament. Frank Alvarez released that money to Mark and each player then received $300 from that fund to be applied to the balance due them. I got left out of that one, but that's cool with me.

I'm so glad that this happened. I have had more than a few sleepless nights since I left Phoenix. It only took like a million phone calls between several parties to make this happen. I truly appreciate what Mark did here. He didn't need to buy these tables.
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Bigtruck said:
Here's the Quote from Jay :;)

Ray
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Even without a specific time limit, given the "settlement" and substantial restitution (70%) under a written agreement such as a promissory note, the matter has become a civil, not a criminal issue IMHO.

BEST WISHES to Jay in his pursuit of a guy who knew he was screwing people when he did it.

Regards,
Jim
 
Bigtruck said:
Here's the Quote from Jay :;)

Ray
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Ray, there is such a note that Chuck signed. To my knowledge, none of us signed the note. I sure didn't! All we ever signed was our signature saying we received the 70% payment from Mark Griffin. After the way the guy has lied to me over and over about the checks and the repayment, I don't feel like I owe him a break in any way.

To be blunt, my attitude about a thief (and that's what he is in my eyes), is that he becomes fair game for any retribution that comes his way. He told me several times via phone and e-mails that he would clear this debt (the remaining 30%) within three months. Okay so that's August 15 starting from May 15 when we were paid the 70%. What bothers me most now is that he is refusing to communicate with me. That's always a bad sign. I happen to know he is still in the same home and working out of there. I have friends in Phoenix that keep me posted. Bottom line, I want all these guys paid in full! PERIOD!
 
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jay helfert said:
Ray, there is such a note that Chuck signed. To my knowledge, none of us signed the note. I sure didn't! All we ever signed was our signature saying we received the 70% payment from Mark Griffin. After the way the guy has lied to me over and over about the checks and the repayment, I don't feel like I owe him a break in any way.

To be blunt, my attitude about a thief (and that's what he is in my eyes), is that he becomes fair game for any retribution that comes his way. He told me several times via phone and e-mails that he would clear this debt (the remaining 30%) within three months. Okay so that's August 15 starting from May 15 when we were paid the 70%. What bothers me most now is that he is refusing to communicate with me. That's always a bad sign. I happen to know he is still in the same home and working out of there. I have friends in Phoenix that keep me posted. Bottom line, I want all these guys paid in full! PERIOD!
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Jay,

I admire your tenacity and your commitment to pool in general. All of us that enjoy the sport are better off because of you and what you've contributed. We are lucky to have you as an ambassador!

I sincerely think, since you didn't voice any objection when you received the promissory note, you should pursue Chuck fully at the end of 12 months if no payment is received. Obviously he was being optimistic with his words and more realistic with the note.

Keep up the great work! I can't wait to come see you work at one of your events.

Thanks,

Ray
 
Jay, i think its commendable that you are working for the players.
i wish you success !
 
sunnyday said:
All this very unfortuante... for EVERYONE. I am not taking anyone's side, especially not Chuck B's. However, if I remember correctly he had a year to make the standings good. It may be long time to wait, but I think everyone had agreed to that term.

And for Chuck B, not communicating back... the man had just lost his business. I think he probably feels way too overwhelmed by now... Maybe give him some space and let him gather himself?

I don't know the man personally... but I do hope he honors his end of the bargain.

S.
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i think there was a year plus juice, thats how i remember it.
 
hey jay,

jay helfert said:
Look Sunny, here is how I feel about this. We NEVER put any time frame in writing, just agreed to give him time to make good. He told me then, that he would have it paid off in three months or less. That time frame has come and gone, and now he does not answer my calls or e-mails.

He has lied to me over and over again from the get go. I don't owe him one more day!
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remember me - smokey badass?

you owed me games and weight too before you ran off to LA with no cheese from the poker tournament, remember???

just kidding, but hope to make a point cause i'm older and better lookin' (both i'd surly trade with you, or, play for);

i don'teven know what i'm thinking, so i have no idea how to express what i want to say... but maybe it is something like this...

you already made a lot happen for the players and as usual you were a great td. mr. mark g. helped a great deal.

a lot of good came out of what you did and really what fatboy expressed here on Az, even before you said a word (if my memory serves me).

just my thought being an old fool is this: hopefully the players came away just 'ok enough', mr. mark g. also, and you a little better than you began, but we all know you didn't care for yourself, the gentleman you are.

my point, if i can find it, is, all in all, things worked out pretty good (sorry but it is only my opinion) from what could have been a disaster. and imho, sometimes in life, "not perfect" can or should be acceptable.

i can't convince you, i know, i won't try. i am just telling you from the lessons i have had in life.

and say this; look at the blessings. we have so many.

all the best,
smokey
 
smokey said:
remember me - smokey badass?

you owed me games and weight too before you ran off to LA with no cheese from the poker tournament, remember???

just kidding, but hope to make a point cause i'm older and better lookin' (both i'd surly trade with you, or, play for);

i don'teven know what i'm thinking, so i have no idea how to express what i want to say... but maybe it is something like this...

you already made a lot happen for the players and as usual you were a great td. mr. mark g. helped a great deal.

a lot of good came out of what you did and really what fatboy expressed here on Az, even before you said a word (if my memory serves me).

just my thought being an old fool is this: hopefully the players came away just 'ok enough', mr. mark g. also, and you a little better than you began, but we all know you didn't care for yourself, the gentleman you are.

my point, if i can find it, is, all in all, things worked out pretty good (sorry but it is only my opinion) from what could have been a disaster. and imho, sometimes in life, "not perfect" can or should be acceptable.

i can't convince you, i know, i won't try. i am just telling you from the lessons i have had in life.

and say this; look at the blessings. we have so many.

all the best,
smokey
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Thanks for this Smokey. I hear you loud and clear. I'm just not willing to let this guy off the hook. I made a promise to the players to collect (particularly Johnny), and I intend to do just that. My sense is that waiting a year at this time will give this guy a good opportunity to totally disappear. Right now I do have a correct home address for him. I doubt he will be there in a few more months.

Bottom line, he made money off the event and stiffed the top finishers. I'll chase this guy as long as it takes to get them all paid! I want to know one good reason why he shouldn't have to pay. He HAD the money! That much I know. He just decided to pocket it instead of pay everyone. I get pissed every time I think about it. Bobbitt is not a good guy who got in over his head. He is a con man who took advantage of many of the best pool players in America. I view him in much the same way I do TruDough. Leeches on the pool community.
 
Its the fact that he won't communicate back to Jay that makes this such a bad situation still.

If he just contacted Jay, sent him (or the players) whatever he could afford now, and give him some kind of timetable for the rest, this would all probably die down fast.

I agree with Watchez; lots of people have to work two jobs or 70+ hours a week to get by, I can't see why someone can't find some extra work to make good on their debt. It sucks, but I'd rather work weekends than wakeup every morning with this crap hanging over me.

He's probably a real nice guy who just made some mistakes, but he needs to try harder to make it right. Hiding from people isn't going to do anything but make it worse and worse...
 
Grady said:
If it was sanctioned by the UPA they should pay.
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Grady,

I'm surprised no one has discussed your comment. Everything seems to be about the tournament promoter and Jay. I remember when I joined the UPA as a player / member many years ago, one of the basic tenants was: (1) all prize money to be held in escrow. (2) The players were paid from the escrow account. This was a UPA sanctioned event wasn't it? Did I miss something?

Lyn
 
cardiac kid said:
Grady,

I'm surprised no one has discussed your comment. Everything seems to be about the tournament promoter and Jay. I remember when I joined the UPA as a player / member many years ago, one of the basic tenants was: (1) all prize money to be held in escrow. (2) The players were paid from the escrow account. This was a UPA sanctioned event wasn't it? Did I miss something?

Lyn
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Lyn, you didn't miss anything. They abondoned that theory at some point, as they thought it was holding back getting tournaments on board.

Kev
 
jay helfert said:
Thanks for this Smokey. I hear you loud and clear. I'm just not willing to let this guy off the hook. I made a promise to the players to collect (particularly Johnny), and I intend to do just that. My sense is that waiting a year at this time will give this guy a good opportunity to totally disappear. Right now I do have a correct home address for him. I doubt he will be there in a few more months.

Bottom line, he made money off the event and stiffed the top finishers. I'll chase this guy as long as it takes to get them all paid! I want to know one good reason why he shouldn't have to pay. He HAD the money! That much I know. He just decided to pocket it instead of pay everyone. I get pissed every time I think about it. Bobbitt is not a good guy who got in over his head. He is a con man who took advantage of many of the best pool players in America. I view him in much the same way I do TruDough. Leeches on the pool community.
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jay we have never meet but you seem to have had alot of experience with american pool and as a td with common sense etc. i cant as much as i try to put too much fault at kt's feet, why do you view kt as a leach on the pool community?
 
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