Cisero Murphy Vs Luther "Wimpy" Lassiter Video from 1966

This video is priceless I also have never seen this one. Can anyone tell me if this is a Gold Crown l? I believe it is but I never new that the corner pocket castings looked like the ones on the new Gold Crown fives.
 
Has anyone else noticed the similarity...

between the way Cisero paused on his backswing and the way Cliff Joyner plays now. It's seems like over the last few years Cliff has developed a HUGE pause in his backstroke (seems like i remember a smaller one years ago) and almose seems to "lean" into the shot before pulling the trigger. I just thought it was interesting that he developed this technique later on just like Cisero, according to Jay. hmmmmm

jay helfert said:
The hesitation Cisero had on his back swing got more pronounced as he got older.QUOTE]
 
Fast Lenny said:
Here they are for all the guys who wanted to see it,sorry for the poor quality.It is from the 1966 World 14.1 Championship in NY at the Windsor Ballroom,you can even see Jersey Red and his wife Dottie in the crowd among many others.
Great clips, Lenny! They brought back a lot of memories for me. I wasn't at that one in 1966, but I did attend the following year. I believe it was at the Statler Hilton in NYC, and Wimpy won it again.

It was wonderful to sit in a large ballroom watching the greatest players of the day. The players not only wore tuxes, but the audiences were well dressed and very respectful. People carried themselves with a lot more class and style than they do today.

Doc
 
World's greatest "catch"

Ed Wiggins said:
Jay-
I believe the "Johnny" talking with Chris Shenkel was the singer/actor Johnny Johnston. He was an avid pool nut who often lived in NY city. He was a good straight pool player (ran over 100).
He had been married to the beautiful actress Kathryn Grayson.

http://www.geocities.com/howardkeelhomepage/kathryngraysonpage.htm

Ed

Ed, that's the greatest catch ever on AZ forums. I figured I was the only human still alive who knew who Johnny Johnston was and how good he played. He was often a color man on the few pool shows that were televised back then. He was even at Johnston City once and he played in a couple of straight pool tourns. then-- I forgot which ones. He could run a 100 balls. When they talk about who was the best entertainer/player, it was always him.

the Beard
 
Ed Wiggins said:
Jay-
I believe the "Johnny" talking with Chris Shenkel was the singer/actor Johnny Johnston. He was an avid pool nut who often lived in NY city. He was a good straight pool player (ran over 100).
He had been married to the beautiful actress Kathryn Grayson.

http://www.geocities.com/howardkeelhomepage/kathryngraysonpage.htm

Ed

Thanks for refreshing my memory. Johnny even helped promote one of the big tourneys in Atlantic City later on. Oops wrong, that was Jack Johnson. :rolleyes:
 
I am glad you guys liked it and it is a rare video,I am hoping to get some out of the vaults before they are destroyed forever. :frown:
 
i remember a story in one of the pool mags at least 10 years ago about cicero murphy's sale of the first cue made by george balabushka. he went into a tournament and proposed to the promoter a raffle to total $1,000. the promoter instead took the stick and paid cicero the grand.

i don't recall any more of the details, so maybe someone can fill in the story.
 
mosconiac said:
I'd like to save a copy. Could you post the full vid on a host so I can do that?
I browsed my archive and found out I most likely have the video. I will check if it is true and if the quality is higher than that of youtube. If so, I will try to upload it at some of public share services.
 
Thank you. I was lucky enough to see both Cicero and Luther play many times in the 60's and this brought back a lot of great memories.
 
steveinflorida said:
Thank you. I was lucky enough to see both Cicero and Luther play many times in the 60's and this brought back a lot of great memories.
Your welcome and glad you enjoyed it. ;)
 
Fro those who were asking and for everyone who'd like to know, I found a file and it turned out to be of pretty good quality, sound is especially cool.
The one who managed to record that from ESPN Classic was a genius. I got the file via the internet, so all thanks to the man who shared it. My contribution is just tiny 30 minutes spent uploading.
I wanted to remove the news string from the screen but my software couldn't handle Quicktime/mov container of the file, and converting it into mpeg could cause not only delay but reduce the quality and/or increase size of the video. So I upload it "as is", it's not that bad even with the string ;)
I used a hosting service available to me, the file is split to three parts. When you follow the link watch for a window below the screen, where you should enter certain numbered code. Press the button nearby and you are redirected to the page where you get a download link.

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3

I wish there were more such videos shown at TV (and recorded to be saved for future instead of losing them forever)
 
type of table

Cue buddy asked if that was a Gold Crown.

The answer is no - it is an AMF 'Gran Prix' - which was the top of the line table from AMF. had several very good innovative ideas.

There are still a few of them aorund.

The table base is the giveaway - it is almost a figure 8 - also the corner castings - and last but not least, the 4 round scorers inlaid into the rail.

mark Griffin
 
Vahmurka said:
Fro those who were asking and for everyone who'd like to know, I found a file and it turned out to be of pretty good quality, sound is especially cool.
The one who managed to record that from ESPN Classic was a genius. I got the file via the internet, so all thanks to the man who shared it. My contribution is just tiny 30 minutes spent uploading.
I wanted to remove the news string from the screen but my software couldn't handle Quicktime/mov container of the file, and converting it into mpeg could cause not only delay but reduce the quality and/or increase size of the video. So I upload it "as is", it's not that bad even with the string ;)
I used a hosting service available to me, the file is split to three parts. When you follow the link watch for a window below the screen, where you should enter certain numbered code. Press the button nearby and you are redirected to the page where you get a download link.

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3

I wish there were more such videos shown at TV (and recorded to be saved for future instead of losing them forever)


what am i supposed to click on? any chance i can see this page in english?

thanks in advance,
justin.
 
By the way, the three listed links---Part1, Part2, and Part3---are all to the same video. They are not 3 separate clips.

Quality is quite good. And you get to see what "Johnny" Johnston looks like.


Ed
 
Mark Griffin said:
Cue buddy asked if that was a Gold Crown.

The answer is no - it is an AMF 'Gran Prix' - which was the top of the line table from AMF. had several very good innovative ideas.

There are still a few of them aorund.

The table base is the giveaway - it is almost a figure 8 - also the corner castings - and last but not least, the 4 round scorers inlaid into the rail.

Thanks Mark I checked out some pics of a Gold crown 1 and figured out it was not a Brunswick but I would of not guessed a AMF. That makes me wonder when AMF started building tables.
 
JusticeNJ said:
what am i supposed to click on? any chance i can see this page in english?
uh sorry like I said I used a service which was by hand for me but it might not be very user-friendly for foreigners. I will provide the visual instructions (I should have done it right away I suppose).

Ed Wiggins said:
By the way, the three listed links---Part1, Part2, and Part3---are all to the same video. They are not 3 separate clips.
yeah, and I've never said they are 3 separate videos. I just split the archive into three parts for more convenient uploading. And, in case someone goes wrong when downloading, it is easier to re-download 50 mb rather than 150.
By the way you might wanna know everyone that you need WinRAR or another archiver able to handle the archive, once you have all three parts. And nothing extra.
 
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so, here we go with the instructions on how to download the video. It's really worth doing, as mentioned the quality is just more than acceptable. I'm glad I managed to find it in my archive (and thanks again to the initial uploader who shared that outstanding piece of pool history).

Step 1 (after you click one of the links above):




Step 2:




The link is active for a certain IP during three days. You can either download via a browser or insert a link in any downloading software (FlashGet, FileZilla, Download Master, etc.)

Hope this helps not less than another instruction already given by Ed Wiggins.
Enjoy the game!
 
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