Coming Soon... the end of all aiming system calculating.

This is how i think i made an adjustment to make the C shot, I have been shooting cte this way for about 2 years, i think I have learned to make these adjustments when needed automatically. I made the adjustment with my body by moving to the left a little but kept everything else the same, bridge, center to edge, pivot than shoot. I will be learning Stans version once the dvd is out and will stop using this version, because from what i have herd his will be a better more reliable version?
 

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This is the error which gets larger as the CB and OB get closer together
Yes, I know what error we're talking about. My point is that the error doesn't get larger as the CB and OB get closer together; it gets larger as the eyes and the OB get closer together - and the size of the error is limited by the fact that the eyes never get closer than 2 or 3 feet from the OB.

pj
chgo
 
Yes, I know what error we're talking about. My point is that the error doesn't get larger as the CB and OB get closer together; it gets larger as the eyes and the OB get closer together - and the size of the error is limited by the fact that the eyes never get closer than 2 or 3 feet from the OB.

pj
chgo

I understand your point, but it depends on how the eyes are used. Your argument is valid when pivoting (lol) at your neck or just moving your eyes in their sockets. However, you could also pivot at the CB as well by moving your head and always aligning through the CB center. I know someone who understands that double the distance is only valid for parallel lines, and he moves his head back and forth slightly to line up the corresponding points to get 'centered' between them at any distance, for example.

Robert
 
After following the original post & link to the "Mullen method" in this thread, (which somehow seemed to morph into a CTE discussion, amazing!)
I realized I was not doing it this way, as previously stated in my first post on this thread. I found that as unlikely as it seems, it is incredibly accurate. I always aimed through the CB to the OB contact point from the center of the cue before, but the side of the ferrule thing, English and all, is really working well for me. I won my league match last night in a race to 5, 5-1, and then played afterwards with my teammmates untill 2AM without losing a single game. The more I get used to it, the more I like it. It is very simple and easy to execute. I am very curious about other systems and I am open to try them as well. When Stan's DVD comes out, I'd like to study it too.
 
I heard about this system long ago from an old pro. Didnt seem possible from what he was saying, but I tried it anyway. His version is slightly different, as he starts out with the center of the shaft, and only uses the shaft edges when it seems necessary. From what I can tell, the edges of the shaft are needed more as the cut angle increases. Also as someone else said, the method is out of range for thinner cuts. So IMHO its not perfect, but it can help like any other system.
 
hahaha

Perhaps, but it did do me good on the inside. I’m just getting nauseated by all these ridiculous systems that require a doctorate in physics and mathematics. Systems that require pages of explanation with diagrams of imaginary intersecting spheres with snap lines and magic wands.

I shake my head at threads with hundreds and hundreds of replies with as many different questions of confusion over these elaborate incarnations, so much so that I spent over an hour searching my house for this CD clip just to say "HERE, LOOK, RELAX", it ain't that complicated.

WTF are these people trying to do to new players? Make their head's explode? So, it was in that spirit that I went through the trouble to post this. I do feel better. :)



But ….. that’s just me. :thumbup:

Not make heads explode. Really aiming systems should be learned in stages.

It's kind of like for long distance shooting. You don't start doing calculations and range cards when you first pick up the rifle. You learn gun safety, then various stances, to squeeze and not jerk the trigger etc... before you'll ever even learn how to calculate for mildot distances and to adjust for wind etc...

Pool should be looked at the same way. When you start out you shouldn't be learning advanced aiming systems and BHE etc... Hell, you shouldn't be doing anything but learning and practicing how to stroke straight.

Then you learn ghost ball, then point to point, then you work on and develop the best pre shot routine for YOU. Learn strategy, tangent line shape, parabolic draw and follow, there is no limit to what you can learn in this game.

this should happen over a period of years not days or weeks.

Posts and threads on aiming systems should be taken with a grain of salt and if you're trying to learn the game, find a qualified instructor that can tell what level you are at and what will best improve your game for the level that you are at right now.

Jaden
 
it seems it because it helps to get you closer...

After following the original post & link to the "Mullen method" in this thread, (which somehow seemed to morph into a CTE discussion, amazing!)
I realized I was not doing it this way, as previously stated in my first post on this thread. I found that as unlikely as it seems, it is incredibly accurate. I always aimed through the CB to the OB contact point from the center of the cue before, but the side of the ferrule thing, English and all, is really working well for me. I won my league match last night in a race to 5, 5-1, and then played afterwards with my teammmates untill 2AM without losing a single game. The more I get used to it, the more I like it. It is very simple and easy to execute. I am very curious about other systems and I am open to try them as well. When Stan's DVD comes out, I'd like to study it too.

It's not accurate for the vast majority of shots. If you notice in the video almost every shot has the CB and OB about a foot from each other and about a 35 degree angle. And yeah for that shot the average width of your ferule is going to be right on, but only because for that angle the CB's CP (contact point) is right about where you're lining up.

basically for some shots what this does is provide an easy way to line up CP to CP. The best way to use CP to CP is to use parallel lining method and aim through a sliver of the CB that passes through the CP on the CB aiming toward the CP on the OB. Some slight adjustment is still needed for CIT etc...

Then some type of compensation is needed for squirt, whether that be parallel shifting with an LD shaft or BHE with a normal shaft if you're going to use any side spin at all. Then you have to understand changes to those variables based on speed of shot angle of cue in relation to playing surface, the list goes on and on.

There is no shortcut in pool, you either gain the experience, or you acquire knowledge+experience. Those combined with some innate ability, good hand eye and good geo-spatial relational ability are pre requisites to high level pool.

Jaden
 
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Well written points.....

What is laughable is that some people still hold onto the belief that the earth is flat, even when science allows us to prove that it is round beyond any and all doubt, just because "it sure looks flat to me when I look out on the horizon." What is also laughable is that some people still hold onto the belief that systems like this as well as all the CTE variants are physically sound systems, even when science allows us to prove that they are not beyond any and all doubt, just because "well I make balls when I do it so it must be physically sound."


You got that right, and it is beyond obvious if anyone takes two seconds to really think about what is actually happening when you aim the left or right side of the shaft at the contact point on the object ball for different cut angle shots.


Yes, it requires user aiming adjustments (just like CTE) which can easily be done subconsciously.


Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. It doesn't work on paper, just like CTE, because it is not a physically sound system. In spite of not being physically valid, just like with CTE, it "works" because your mind makes subconscious aiming adjustments based on experience, because it removes shot anxiety and makes you stroke more confidently because of your belief in the system, and because with the system you are concentrating more and are more focused on the object ball than you normally would have been.


Ding, ding, ding, another winner. Just like with CTE, everybody KNOWS it can't physically work, but since they still see positive benefits from using it, they would rather lie to themselves and claim that it must somehow be physically valid instead of just embracing the truth that it "works" for other reasons and just being happy enough with their improvement no matter what the reason. It's the old "the earth sure looks flat, so it must be flat and I'm not going to let anybody tell me otherwise," mentality. "But I can see it with my own eyes, it's flat!!" "But I make balls when I do it, it's physically valid!!"

WELL ARGUED BROTHER. SAME WITH THE MEMBER WITH THE STRAIGHT -IN EXAMPLE, EXCELLENT POINTS. SOMEONE CALL BOB MEUCCI SO WE CAN LINE UP HIS MACHINE USING THESE SYSTEMS BECAUSE MACHINES DO NOT ADJUST. By the way, there are many systems that work, I am just saying these are the kinds of valid, well written arguments that need to be part of any discussion. I like systems, too. At one time I drew out all the banking systems I could find at the time for a simple angled bank; I superimposed them on the same table diagram and they all ended up having the same aiming point that worked on the table. Guys who never took algebra need an explanation of why equations, experiments need to have only one variable to trust the results, and "adjustments" kill the science.
 
The greatest Aiming System ever created is the one I try to use most often

Yep, I've got a gift for all this holiday season coming soon.

I've talked about the only simple aiming system that both doesn't require guessing what the heck a quarter ball or half ball is.
The greatest Aiming System ever created is the one I try to use most often.

"Get down on every shot, as if, it's already been made"....this works every time, when you know how to get down properly. You may have to "discover" that for yourself. ;)
 
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