Comments on Poolology

[BC21]

Maybe a sequel to this system should be the "Instinct Aiming System". I'd love to see how the description is put into words to be in line with every other pool players instincts. Where do you even start?

How is instinct shooting more accurate and reliable than visual alignment shooting
IF the alignment or aiming is a highly accurate method?

If instinct shooting produces better results than the aiming method or even the same results, to me it doesn't say very much for the aiming system.

Here's a question. You're playing $300 sets of 9-ball with someone and you're down two sets with the other player stipulating before starting that he has to leave at a certain time right on the nose for a very important (fill in the important part) and the time is rapidly approaching.

Your nerves are jangling and have been throughout so you feel a bit shaky to begin with and your down $600 with a wife and child sitting at home needing the money.
Saying you would never play for that kind of money to begin with is not an option.
You're in, you're playing, and you're down.

What do you do? Play by instinct the remainder of the time or use your system for every shot in an attempt to at least break even if time runs out?

And if it's to use the system, why in the hell wouldn't you use it from the very start or ALL the time when playing? What's the big deal or is the instinct method better than the system itself?

After 30+ years of playing pool, feel or instinct isn't something a player simply tosses aside, ever. I have been in this situation, both sides of it, and for much more money, though not in the last few years because life throws curve balls at you from time to time, and without enough batting practice you'll find it more difficult to perform well at the plate. Poolology requires some practice, though a different sort of practice than traditional old school methods of trial and error. The system is accurate, but the player needs to be proficient at putting the CB where it needs to be in reference to the specific aim points. That is the type of practice Poolology requires, and it doesn't take long to acquire proficiency.

When I'm hitting the balls well I'm not thinking about pocketing balls, I'm just doing it. I didn't design the system to replace that feeling of just doing it. I designed it to help others improve their skills, possibly achieving that feeling of "just doing it" more often. But along the way I've learned how beneficial the system is for certain shots in my own game, certain shots that have often been less accurate for me, always affecting my confidence. But not anymore.

Simply put, a player can use a system on every shot or only on select shots as needed. It's not my call how a player chooses to use any system. But I've discovered that shooting enough balls with this system does create a stronger, more accurate feel for cut shots. It's like a kid learning how to ride a bike...at first he's a bit wobbly, and he has to fucus on every detail to keep balance and direction under control. Soon enough he finds himself riding wheelies around the block and jumping over bottles from a makeshift plywood ramp supported by a few bricks. He is no longer focusing on the details of how to ride. He's just riding, free-wheeling it.

And if that kid's lucky when he gets older, he'll come across a very handy brain tool, a book titled 'Emotional Intelligence 2.0', by Travis Bradberry and Jean Greaves. Then when he happens to feel the pressure of life's little bumps and crashes (on and off the pool table), he won't sweat it because he'll have a good grip on his emotions and his confidence. (Great read for pool players by the way.)

 

[Bobkitty]

After 30+ years of playing pool, feel or instinct isn't something a player simply tosses aside, ever. I have been in this situation, both sides of it, and for much more money, though not in the last few years because life throws curve balls at you from time to time, and without enough batting practice you'll find it more difficult to perform well at the plate. Poolology requires some practice, though a different sort of practice than traditional old school methods of trial and error. The system is accurate, but the player needs to be proficient at putting the CB where it needs to be in reference to the specific aim points. That is the type of practice Poolology requires, and it doesn't take long to acquire proficiency.

When I'm hitting the balls well I'm not thinking about pocketing balls, I'm just doing it. I didn't design the system to replace that feeling of just doing it. I designed it to help others improve their skills, possibly achieving that feeling of "just doing it" more often. But along the way I've learned how beneficial the system is for certain shots in my own game, certain shots that have often been less accurate for me, always affecting my confidence. But not anymore.

Simply put, a player can use a system on every shot or only on select shots as needed. It's not my call how a player chooses to use any system. But I've discovered that shooting enough balls with this system does create a stronger, more accurate feel for cut shots.

Agree with all of that. Yesterday, during a nine ball match with a better player on my table, I found myself using what I know about "Poolology" a few times. On tricky shots, just getting the OB position and alignment told me what kind of hit it WASN'T and I found that information was just as valuable as knowing what it was.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

After 30+ years of playing pool, feel or instinct isn't something a player simply tosses aside, ever. I have been in this situation, both sides of it, and for much more money, though not in the last few years because life throws curve balls at you from time to time, and without enough batting practice you'll find it more difficult to perform well at the plate.

If it was for more money I have to assume it was before you conceived the system and before you were married with a daughter.

What you have done is talk in circles and beat around the bush regarding the scenario I laid out when being $6 Franklins down under a time limit. Would you keep playing by instinct or utilize your own system? Obviously playing by instinct is what got you 2 sets and $600 down.

Poolology requires some practice, though a different sort of practice than traditional old school methods of trial and error.

That's the case with any and all different aiming systems. They're shortcuts to getting better faster as well as tested, tried and true.

The system is accurate, but the player needs to be proficient at putting the CB where it needs to be in reference to the specific aim points. That is the type of practice Poolology requires, and it doesn't take long to acquire proficiency.

Of course, but it always makes it come faster and easier when there's a clearly defined (still visualized) target to aim at.

When I'm hitting the balls well I'm not thinking about pocketing balls, I'm just doing it. I didn't design the system to replace that feeling of just doing it.

Using it or not using it you have to be SEEING something. What do you SEE when you're supposedly on auto pilot compared to when you're visualizing the fractional aim points when using it?

I designed it to help others improve their skills, possibly achieving that feeling of "just doing it" more often. But along the way I've learned how beneficial the system is for certain shots in my own game, certain shots that have often been less accurate for me, always affecting my confidence. But not anymore.

OK, I get it now. You're saying "my own system is for the rest of the world but not me because I'm already at pro level having won a number of pro tournaments against the best in the world. I only need it for troublesome shots."

You're a writer and have proven it by writing this Ebook. Put into words what you see and do differently when in feel or intuition mode compared to the other.
No more dancing around.

The conclusion that most players should come to regarding your posts here on the forum and the conclusion I've come to is, "screw poolology and the fraction system" because you rarely or ever use it yourself except here and there. Tell the secrets of the main auto pilot system based on what you see and how it's performed. The eyes still have to focus on something. What?

 

[SpiderWebComm]

After 30+ years of playing pool, feel or instinct isn't something a player simply tosses aside, ever. I have been in this situation, both sides of it, and for much more money, though not in the last few years because life throws curve balls at you from time to time, and without enough batting practice you'll find it more difficult to perform well at the plate. Poolology requires some practice, though a different sort of practice than traditional old school methods of trial and error. The system is accurate, but the player needs to be proficient at putting the CB where it needs to be in reference to the specific aim points. That is the type of practice Poolology requires, and it doesn't take long to acquire proficiency.

When I'm hitting the balls well I'm not thinking about pocketing balls, I'm just doing it. I didn't design the system to replace that feeling of just doing it. I designed it to help others improve their skills, possibly achieving that feeling of "just doing it" more often. But along the way I've learned how beneficial the system is for certain shots in my own game, certain shots that have often been less accurate for me, always affecting my confidence. But not anymore.

You remind me of this guy who does his own commercials on TV all the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkCBr8bkxjI

What he doesn't say on the commercial is what you're saying here. "My Pillow is for everybody else in the world to get better sleep without aches and pains but personally I don't use it except occasionally because I've had this one pillow since my teen years that gives me the best and most comfortable sleep I could possibly want."

 

[bbb]

web man
actually if you read the comments from the people who have actually bought the material it is very favorable
of course you are entitled to your opinion

 

[BC21]

You remind me of this guy who does his own commercials on TV all the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkCBr8bkxjI

What he doesn't say on the commercial is what you're saying here. "My Pillow is for everybody else in the world to get better sleep without aches and pains but personally I don't use it except occasionally because I've had this one pillow since my teen years that gives me the best and most comfortable sleep I could possibly want."

Ok. :thumbup:

 

[Bobkitty]

You remind me of this guy who does his own commercials on TV all the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkCBr8bkxjI

What he doesn't say on the commercial is what you're saying here. "My Pillow is for everybody else in the world to get better sleep without aches and pains but personally I don't use it except occasionally because I've had this one pillow since my teen years that gives me the best and most comfortable sleep I could possibly want."

I'm surmising that you are a proponent of CTE from your comments and support for the founders of that system. Do you use that system for every shot when you're competing on the pool table? OB hanging in the corner pocket, 15 degree left swing, pivot from the left, now shoot? I doubt it.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

web man
actually if you read the comments from the people who have actually bought the material it is very favorable
of course you are entitled to your opinion

Bbbbb, bbbbb, bbbbb, bbbbut, where have I addressed anyone who has purchased it and said otherwise?

I haven't knocked his system at all. I have no idea what you're getting from our posts.

All I'm trying to do is GET BRIAN to use it HIMSELF all the time since it's that good.

 

[bbb]

I'm surmising that you are a proponent of CTE from your comments and support for the founders of that system. Do you use that system for every shot when you're competing on the pool table? OB hanging in the corner pocket, 15 degree left swing, pivot from the left, now shoot? I doubt it.

actually he might i cant speak for him
my impression from reading thru the threads is that the cte users are methodical and use it on every shot
if someone chose to use poololgy on every shot they could
thats what it seems web man doesnt get

also to me poololgy accepts there is more than one way to aim
AND ITS OK TO USE MORE THAN ONE METHOD.............

 

[bbb]

inspite of the above i still think we should stick to comments on poology
thats the title of the thread
and if you havent bought it and tried to use it dont try to demean it or side track the thread

 

[SpiderWebComm]

I'm surmising that you are a proponent of CTE from your comments and support for the founders of that system. Do you use that system for every shot when you're competing on the pool table? OB hanging in the corner pocket, 15 degree left swing, pivot from the left, now shoot? I doubt it.

You doubt WRONG. Yes, I use it and I can assure you Stan uses it and Hal Houle used it 100% of the time.

Joe Tucker uses his contact point aiming system 100% of the time. Ron Vitello used his system, 90/90, 100% of the time before he passed away.

How do I know? Because I've spent hours and hours on the table with all of them and know what they used. What professional instructors have you been with and how much time spent?

 

[bbb]

Bbbbb, bbbbb, bbbbb, bbbbut, where have I addressed anyone who has purchased it and said otherwise?

I haven't knocked his system at all. I have no idea what you're getting from our posts.

All I'm trying to do is GET BRIAN to use it HIMSELF all the time since it's that good.

i just read this
can you agree that there is more than one way to aim??
and its ok to let others aim however they like if it works for them??

 

[SpiderWebComm]

inspite of the above i still think we should stick to comments on poology
thats the title of the thread
and if you havent bought it and tried to use it dont try to demean it or side track the thread

That's for Brian to determine. I think he and I are kind of enjoying ourselves, although I could be wrong.

If you want to apply for a position as a moderator feel free.

My comments have been on poolology. Do you have reading comprehension problems or dyslexia?

 

[bbb]

web man (i hope i am not offending you by not typing out your full screen name
if i am i will stop calling you web man
its just easier for me to type )
i cant speak for brian
but for me i aim contact point to contact point
it works most of the time for me
poolology has given me another way to analise the shot and a different way to aim
for me i am too comfortable in my old habits to want to use poololgy all of the time
but i will use it in the situations where things just dont "look right "
to comment on something else you alluded to in a post
when you play more by feel you just see if you hit the cue ball here it will go there
an example
an object ball is a few inches off the rail and you want to go rail first and make the ball
you can use a mirror system to find the spot on the rail to aim at
or you can visualize the hit and rebound off the rail and with enough practice be equally successfull on making the shot
can you agree both methods are acceptable??

 

[SpiderWebComm]

i just read this
can you agree that there is more than one way to aim??
and its ok to let others aim however they like if it works for them??

ROTFLMAO! So in other words, Brian creates this super dynamite aiming system for everyone to use and get better which has been stated as such by a number of posters on here which I haven't discounted or said otherwise one iota.

But because there are many aiming systems, HE should use something else that works better for him other than his own poolology? Isn't that hypocritical?

Pure genius on your part to come up with it though. LMAO

Hey, don't post back to me any more. It makes my brain hurt as well as my stomach from laughing so hard.

 

[bbb]

would you mind answering the 2 questions i asked in the post you quoted above?
just curious

 

[cookie man]

I'm surmising that you are a proponent of CTE from your comments and support for the founders of that system. Do you use that system for every shot when you're competing on the pool table? OB hanging in the corner pocket, 15 degree left swing, pivot from the left, now shoot? I doubt it.

AS a CTE user myself, yes every shot

 

[Bobkitty]

You doubt WRONG. Yes, I use it and I can assure you Stan uses it and Hal Houle used it 100% of the time.

Joe Tucker uses his contact point aiming system 100% of the time. Ron Vitello used his system, 90/90, 100% of the time before he passed away.

How do I know? Because I've spent hours and hours on the table with all of them and know what they used. What professional instructors have you been with and how much time spent?

I take lessons from a world class teaching professional in Portland, Or. I've taken dozens of lessons and average two a month. He feels it's his duty to have some knowledge of all the systems out there and I think he rejects all pivot systems. I won't speak for him but he's never introduced an aiming "system" for me. He and I play by visualizing where the CB must be at contact to pocket the OB and we try to send it there. But, I find having Brian's system in my tool box helps on some shots. It's very comforting to know the OB's value, CB-OB alignment point and calculate it's a 1/2 ball, 1/4, 3/4 etc. ball hit and verify the original aiming point. Helps tremendously with back cuts.
I'm sure that if I lived in the same block with Stan, I'd be all over him to demonstrate his CTE system. I think all of us are looking for improvement. At age 71, that's how I get my pleasure out of the game. I practice drills about 3-4 hours a day on my own table, Play with better players 3-4 times a week, take lessons and I am indeed improving. 750 player now and striving to be 800 player.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

I take lessons from a world class teaching professional in Portland, Or.

Who might that be?

I've taken dozens of lessons and average two a month. He feels it's his duty to have some knowledge of all the systems out there and I think he rejects all pivot systems.

CTE Pro1 isn't a pivot system.

I'm sure that if I lived in the same block with Stan, I'd be all over him to demonstrate his CTE system.

And a wise man you would be to do so. A couple of older men than you have learned CTE on here and gotten much better.

I think all of us are looking for improvement. At age 71, that's how I get my pleasure out of the game. I practice drills about 3-4 hours a day on my own table, Play with better players 3-4 times a week, take lessons and I am indeed improving. 750 player now and striving to be 800 player.

Good for you and I sincerely mean it. Now lets get down to the most important thing. That Brunswick Anniversary table you have is super beautiful looking and I'm sure plays like a charm. I just noticed it. Gorgeous!

 

[BC21]

Bbbbb, bbbbb, bbbbb, bbbbut, where have I addressed anyone who has purchased it and said otherwise?

I haven't knocked his system at all. I have no idea what you're getting from our posts.

All I'm trying to do is GET BRIAN to use it HIMSELF all the time since it's that good.

I'm a firm believer of the old saying, "If it ain't broke don't fix it."

That applies here as well. Meaning that many of us here, including you, have dedicated countless hours of table time. If you've gotten anywhere close to being a good player, at least a B+ player or higher, and you've been at it on and off for years, and now have a family and bigger responsibilities that demand your time, you're not going to be willing to scrap those learning years to adopt a new system, especially if you feel your game is solid, with very few minor exceptions. But you'll give yourself an honest appraisal and find that shot or two that, for whatever reason, gives you trouble,
or started giving you trouble over the years. So you'll try the system on these particular shots because you realize they need fixed. Before long you'll be shooting those trouble balls like they were never any trouble at all, and you'll have accomplished this with minimal effort and table time.

I would use the system on every shot if I felt like I needed it. Pool players are proud and stubborn, seldom admitting our weak points. I am no different. As far as using the system on every shot, focusing on the aim points and ensuring I hit them just right....well, I find myself doing that more and more as a warm-up. After about 15minutes I notice that I'm no longer paying attention to the numbers. I'm just playing pool. And no, before you type it, I'm not changing the name of the book to, "Brian's Miraculous Warm-up System" . Lol