Congratulations to Justin Bergman and Sky Woodward Team USA Mosconi Cup

Kris_b1104 said:
Yes, I mentioned that the team of Darren and Karl are world classclass, as well as Feijen and NVB. I didn't saw the Americans have a competitive advantage, if you read what I wrote you will see that I was simply stating they have a chance, and will put up a fight this time.
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Fair enough, but any two players have a "chance", I don't understand why the Bergman/Sky team would be anything to get excited about if the odds are still in Europe's favor.

In absolute terms, I understand what you're saying. Bergman/Sky is a scary good team. In relative terms, including the context of who they are playing against, they really aren't anything to get too excited about.
 
Teacherman said:
I've pointed out where your logic fails.....miserably.

Some knew. But you/others didn't.

I guess the Mosconi Cup should be made up of the Gabe Owens and Tommy Kennedy's....by your logic.
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Do you mind making sense when you post? I'd really appreciate it. Using phrases that include things like "that's a logical fallacy" with nothing but nonsense explaining why its a logical fallacy really doesn't add up to much.

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People can't predict the future. The best they can do is go by what's happened in the past. Otherwise, you have no logical reason, and no factual basis for your opinion. If a player has never once proven themselves on this stage before, then you have no reason to think they have equal or better chances than 5 players that have all proven themselves.

You seem to believe strongly in hindsight, if you want to talk about logical fallacies.
 
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From a logical perspective or odds maker point of view the USA will be monster underdogs. Not even close to being debatible. This is coming from a guy who is going to the Mosconi cup also. I'll root for them but I have to say this selection process for the wild cards has been made a joke. The USA better re think the caption selection process after we take our beating in December.
 
kagewest said:
From a logical perspective or odds maker point of view the USA will be monster underdogs. Not even close to being debatible. This is coming from a guy who is going to the Mosconi cup also. I'll root for them but I have to say this selection process for the wild cards has been made a joke. The USA better re think the caption selection process after we take our beating in December.
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Finally, an unbiased and rational point of view.

There's no mystery as to why Europe wins every year.

We always have one player (Shane) that is currently in their prime, and a proven world class player. The other players we have are either past world champions that are past their prime, or up and coming talent that has yet to mature into a world class player.

Europe always has 5 top, proven world class players, all rock solid, that are at or close to their prime.

We really just don't have multiple players that play at that level, sadly.
 
Kris_b1104 said:
I was referring to how Corey & Dechaine carried themselves as a unit and team. They balanced each other out and came out victorious.

So you don't think that knowing your partner's game in doubles is a huge advantage? I'm sure Bergman knows which shots Skylar prefers to leave him on the next ball, and Skylar knows where to leave Bergman for his next shot. That is the epitome of team chemistry, knowing what shots your partner prefers and is comfortable with.

I'm pretty damn sure Bergman can leave Skylar with a bank on the 9 if push comes to shove because he knows Skylar will fire it in like nothing. I'm not saying he should do this though, lol.

For a railbird, you don't seem to watch a lot of pool.
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How did SVB and DeChaine do in the last doubles tourney they played in? Refresh my memory.

How will SVB do with Corey as a partner?

My point is you can't predict anything. And to base it on how player X is gonna perform under pressure. Doug Williams skull f'd John Elway in the Super Bowl. Did you predict that? Tiger Woods won the Masters by how many strokes in his first pro event there? How many more first time examples do you want? How many more failures in greatness do you want?

All of these internet sport psychologists crack me up.

Last year you could question Mark on some of the picks. This year you have a hard time arguing it. As was posted on Facebook, it came down to Sky - Oscar - Archer - Frost. An argument could be made for all of them. Frost had the uphill battle of washing away he is only a one pocket player. He definitely needed a strong showing in the U.S. open and it didn't happen.

The U.S. needs to practice their lag. I would have a $100 penalty jar for each lag lost.

Last year I truly think that turning point was the all 5 players match. The U.S., if they won that early match, would have taken a lot of pressure off of them.
 
I love this line up this was my pick from the early part of the year I'm really excited to see this years cup win or lose its gonna be good one but I'm pulling for USA
 
We are definitely sending 5 of the top 7 US players(imo 5 of the top 6), this was not the case last year. We are a stronger team than last year, its really not that close.

The only problem is we'll win around 1/5 times with this team vs a stacked europe imo.


So you're saying there's a chance!
 
The winning percentages in Mosconi Cup competition for the Euros are very telling and basically explain the results every year as of late. As well the years of Mosconi Cup experience the Euros come in with compared to the USA is significantly more.
A case could be made that selection based more on Mosconi Cup experience and Mosconi Cup winning percentages rather than emotions, popularity and youth would be in order to turn the tide. It seems to be working for the Euros
 
Great job by Mark Wilson here. The Skyler pick is a bit of a gamble but Skyler, to me, has the same career trajectory as Bergman, with skills in more than one discipline.

In fact, it's the all-around skills that make me like this team:

SVB: His Master of the Tables at Derby City tell you all you need to know.

Deuel: In good form in nine ball right now, but also one of the world's best one pocket players. Speed control extraordinaire.

Dechaine: Had a great year in rotation games, but also came second in the DCC one pocket, plays very solid straight pool, second in the US Open 8-ball and showed at Super Billiards Expo that he is quite capable in three cushion billiards.

Bergman: In very good form right now in nine ball, and is very accomplished in both banks and one pocket. A fine all-around talent who keeps getting better.

Woodward: Still growing as a rotation games player but starting to collect some big scalps, one of the great bank pool players in the world, and a very strong eight ball player.

This is a team with a lot of skills. Bravo Mark Wilson on a job well done.
 
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sjm said:
Great job by Mark Wilson here. The Skyler pick is a bit of a gamble but Skyler, to me, has the same career trajectory as Bergman, with skills in more than one discipline.

In fact, it's the all-around skills that make me like this team:

SVB: His Master of the Tables at Derby City tell you all you need to know.

Deuel: In good form in nine ball right now, but also one of the world's best one pocket players. Speed control extraordinaire.

Dechaine: Had a great year in rotation games, but also came second in the DCC one pocket, plays very solid straight pool, second in the US Open 8-ball and showed at Super Billiards Expo that he is quite capable in three cushion billiards.

Bergman: In very good form right now in nine ball, and is very accomplished in both banks and one pocket. A fine all-around talent who keeps getting better.

Woodward: Still growing as a rotation games player but starting to collect some big scalps, one of the great bank pool players in the world, and a very strong eight ball player.

This is a team with a lot of skills. Bravo Mark Wilson on a job well done.
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Mark Wilson must be a friend of yours and that's cool. But your dead ass wrong. He had one job pick the right to wild card spots and he failed misrable. A 22 year old over archer frost Morris hell the list goes on 10 deep. This is a shit show pure and simple. Skyler can't beat the other 4 usa guys with the 5 out! This isn't Monday night apa with 1/2 price beers. Hell I'd rather have donny mills!
 
sjm said:
Great job by Mark Wilson here. The Skyler pick is a bit of a gamble but Skyler, to me, has the same career trajectory as Bergman, with skills in more than one discipline.

In fact, it's the all-around skills that make me like this team:

SVB: His Master of the Tables at Derby City tell you all you need to know.

Deuel: In good form in nine ball right now, but also one of the world's best one pocket players. Speed control extraordinaire.

Dechaine: Had a great year in rotation games, but also came second in the DCC one pocket, plays very solid straight pool, second in the US Open 8-ball and showed at Super Billiards Expo that he is quite capable in three cushion billiards.

Bergman: In very good form right now in nine ball, and is very accomplished in both banks and one pocket. A fine all-around talent who keeps getting better.

Woodward: Still growing as a rotation games player but starting to collect some big scalps, one of the great bank pool players in the world, and a very strong eight ball player.

This is a team with a lot of skills. Bravo Mark Wilson on a job well done.
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Well said, SJM.

I'm looking forward to the event!
 
sammylane12 said:
I think Justin Hall should have been on this team if for no other reason than he was the only USA player who showed up last year. He really played great. I have not heard why he skipped the US Open but that probably hurt his chances. Still think he should be there.
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Justin Hall finished 33rd-48th in the US Open 9-Ball, going L, W, W, W, L.
 
kagewest said:
From a logical perspective or odds maker point of view the USA will be monster underdogs. Not even close to being debatible. This is coming from a guy who is going to the Mosconi cup also. I'll root for them but I have to say this selection process for the wild cards has been made a joke. The USA better re think the caption selection process after we take our beating in December.
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Just what have we done to deserve you. Looks like we are set for a new high in Trolllism and a new low in Pool IQ.
But don't trouble your lame brain thinking about Mark Wilson because he is on target with his plans to sort out the future of the game in the USA. He will still be the captain long after you have departed.
 
pro9dg said:
Just what have we done to deserve you. Looks like we are set for a new high in Trolllism and a new low in Pool IQ.
But don't trouble your lame brain thinking about Mark Wilson because he is on target with his plans to sort out the future of the game in the USA. He will still be the captain long after you have departed.
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The one thing I really hope happens, Doug, is that Mark keeps all five players together during the entire time the Cup is in progress. This means eating, sleeping, and practicing. Maybe get a suite, if feasible and/or cost effective.

Last time Cup came to Vegas, the Europeans,thanks to their coach, stayed together throughout the Cup. They didn't "party," for lack of a better word, until the Cup was over. The Americans, on the other hand, each seemed to go their separate ways before, during, and after the Cup. This is what I think has hindered Team USA in past Cups. This is not a vacation of a free paycheck. This is the Cup and should be respected.

I pray there is no tension between Team USA members preventing a united front. I have heard whispers of tension between a couple of members of the current Team USA in recent times, which I hope has passed. They need to be a team, which means supporting each other through the Cup.

Vegas has so many distractions for the pool player, e.g., gambling, women, entertainment, et cetera. Team USA needs to concentrate on the Cup and not Vegas.
 
JAM said:
The one thing I really hope happens, Doug, is that Mark keeps all five players together during the entire time the Cup is in progress. This means eating, sleeping, and practicing. Maybe get a suite, if feasible and/or cost effective.

Last time Cup came to Vegas, the Europeans,thanks to their coach, stayed together throughout the Cup. They didn't "party," for lack of a better word, until the Cup was over. The Americans, on the other hand, each seemed to go their separate ways before, during, and after the Cup. This is what I think has hindered Team USA in past Cups. This is not a vacation of a free paycheck. This is the Cup and should be respected.

I pray there is no tension between Team USA members preventing a united front. I have heard whispers of tension between a couple of members of the current Team USA in recent times, which I hope has passed. They need to be a team, which means supporting each other through the Cup.

Vegas has so many distractions for the pool player, e.g., gambling, women, entertainment, et cetera. Team USA needs to concentrate on the Cup and not Vegas.
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I agree Jam
Vegas will be Vegas long after the MC is over. A nice suite away from the BS will have the team well rested and fully committed to the contest ahead. If USA can't make this happen on home soil then something's a miss... :thumbup:
 
fat Albert said:
The winning percentages in Mosconi Cup competition for the Euros are very telling and basically explain the results every year as of late. As well the years of Mosconi Cup experience the Euros come in with compared to the USA is significantly more.
A case could be made that selection based more on Mosconi Cup experience and Mosconi Cup winning percentages rather than emotions, popularity and youth would be in order to turn the tide. It seems to be working for the Euros
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Johnny A. didn't make the team. You can put your drum away until next year. Johnnyt
 
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