Corey Deuel Wishes to Speak for Himself

Black-Balled said:
And we are sure your 'educated' opinion is wholly objective...:rolleyes:

If the ABP's motives were anything other than short sighted and self-serving, it would have let Barry know that it would base next year's participation on this year's actions. It would lay out reasonable demands based on realities, not fantasy.

ABP is trying to strongarm the Man, but it fails to realize that the the only thing they have to offer is their presence.
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Really.......... you need to go back and read my posts, I have refused to take sides in this from the very first post. I want it resolved so that everyone can play and both sides are happy with the outcome.

What I have always said is that people should only comment on what they know to be true, nothing else.

Yes I know Johnny, just as I know other pros, however that actually puts me in a difficult situation. Just as an aside and for your edification, I have never spoken to him about the ongoing situation and unless he brought it up I never would. I have never heard him bring it up with anyone else either, I believe that is the correct way to handle it. The ABP and Barry should deal with this behind closed doors as I have also mentioned, not in the press and statements from both sides should be conspicuous by their absence until this is resolved. It was people on this Forum that made the ABP Pro's come out and repsond to posts here by simply inflaming the situation. Everyone is absolutely allowed their own view point and the right to free speach, I just wish they would keep to the facts. I completely respect your choice of supporting Barry in this if you believe that and take no issue with it. What I do take issue with are some of the comments on the forum in the last couple of days that suggest some sort of self serving by one or two people, even some sort of theft that may be going on. That is totally inappropriate, wether it is aimed at Barry or memebrs of the ABP and the Forum as a whole should condem these posts.
 
The thing that I have never liked is seeding and if this group of pro players feel like they need to play a shortstop instead of a top pro in the first round I call bull$hit. A completely random draw is the only fair way to run a tournament and my hat is off to Mike Zuglan for making this his policy. I also go to the Open most years and if those on the list don't show Barry can put a green jacket on another deserving player like Earl, Dechaine, Nevel or a shortstop who didn't have to start out playing a top pro first round.--Leonard
 
dom_poppa said:
Corey Deuel quoted:

Would everyone please stop putting words in my mouth on this issue! I would like to make it clear that I have not yet committed to play in the US Open. I did tell Barry that I was not notified and did not read the ABP press release before it was made public. I currently am confused as to my position. I was originally on the "3 year" board of the ABP and then I got a call from a player saying that I was no longer on the board.

I talked to a few other players who told me that they never voted nor were they asked to vote me off of the board. If I am on the board then I would have liked to have had the opportunity to look over the details of Barrys offer. And have a chance to vote. From my position I want to let the players know they have my support but I need to know that it really is the players who are doing the talking here. I think to make this official Barry should put his offer in writing and the players involved should sign or email their final decisions about this matter.

All the best ,
Corey Deuel
By Corey Deuel - 2011-07-24
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Hi jam... er, pocketpoint
 
Mark Griffin said:
Corey does not march to the same drummer as the rest of the pool playing world. That is why he has been so creative - he thinks out side of the box.

I am quite certain he is one of many who refused to sign the 'contract' of the ABP. I don't even think the ABP really had an election or anything else.

They have formed a group and they say their goal is to get paid by promoters. That is a good goal and one that should not be necessary.

BUT - they have seemed to add other things to the mixture (seeding, rules, etc).

I am like many who think there was a better way to handle this.

We all want the problem resolved - we all want the US Open to continue. But when it gets to 'nitty-gritty time' - I bet Corey plays (and many others too).

I am not picking sides. But pool players NEED to play pool. Lets not let poliitc get in the way (again!!)

I have offered to help out - I don't think too much thought was given to that suggestion either.

Being a pro pool promoter is a VERY TOUGH JOB! if the players make it any tougher - some of us will do something differently - and it probably won't include pro players!

We do this because we love pool - not for the money. Is somebody listening??????

Mark Griffin
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Mark, would you consider sitting in as an arbitrator or maybe even a panel of three arbitrators possibly? Maybe there should be an entity that governs both promoter and player?
 
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gamemaker said:
Mark, would you consider sitting in as an arbitrator or maybe even a panel of three arbitrators possibly? Maybe there should be an entity that governs both promoter and player?
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That is a very sound idea! :smile:
 
sk8ordie said:
100% correct!
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He is a genius and in the past someone posted he was a moron largely because he never finished high school. I knew who was a moron after that post.

I saw him in half ass foreign casino once make the observation "this wheel (roulette) is fixed". He then went and got 3 chips and i think it was the first spin but it might have been the 2nd, he hit the number dead on and cashed out for 6K. He later explained to me how he knew it was fixed and how he knew what numbers were the favorites. This college grad was too dumb to understand.
 
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gamemaker said:
Mark, would you consider sitting in as an arbitrator or maybe even a panel of three arbitrators possibly? Maybe there should be an entity that governs both promoter and player?
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I wholeheartedly agree with this and believe that unless it's resolved this week some form of arbitration maybe the best and only solution. The parties involved are, obviously emotionally involved and more often than not that is one of the major stumbling blocks. A solution that is acceptable to both parties, even if that needs to be a temporary arrangement just for this year because of time constraints, must be found. These discussions could continue after this years Open with the sole purpose of agreeing a permanant, mutually agreeable and binding solution.

I myself would be willing to do what I can to help to ensure this years Open goes on with both parties being satisfied with the outcome. If Barry or the ABP need my resume, or simply my arbitration and negotiation experience with major International Company's, Trade Unions and Health Care Organisations I would be happy to provide that. I have been in Senior Management positions both here and in Europe for over 20 years, both working for and dealing with some of the Worlds largest and most respected Companys.

Let me make this absolutely clear to everyone, I am prepared to fly or drive anywhere in the country (as long as I can get leave from work) to make this happen. I can absolutely guarantee my impartiality to all parties, my reputation means a lot to me and I will not sacrifice that for anyone.

I have said before that we, as players, need to do what we can, when we can to help move this Sport forward. I am now taking my own advice and offering my services if that is whats required to resolve this issue.
 
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This is a strong indication that the "union" will soon dissolve. The flood gates are open.

Barry's tourney will go on (with many of the ABP "members" in attendance)...but will the "key players" in the ABP (the "inner circle" that were using their tenuous ties with the remaining pro's) decide to tuck their tails & play? I think the ABP principals will be forced to continue to threaten boycot (with a few hangers on) because they can not save face now.

Go back & watch that first video "press release" that the ABP made so long ago and you'll see why this "union" never stood a chance. That haphazard, poorly-presented & chaotic declaration video was indicative of the poor decisions you see today. If they were a serious entity, they would have put their ducks in a row before sitting down in front of that camera. They built a poor foundation & now it's crumbling.
 
Corey is setting Barry up. He might say, sure I'll play, but come the day of the event Barry will call him up and ask why he hasn't signed in for the players meeting.

That is when Corey might drop the bomb on Barry. Saying something like "I want to play the Open but things happen and if I play the Open I might not be able to participate in other events. So sorry Barry, I want to but it isn't profitable for me to participate in it."
 
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M HOUSE said:
Why is it the lawyers always get the bad rap? Oh, that's right, they usually deserve it. But maybe, just maybe, not this time. Take a closer look at that ABP list. Who on there has a history of threatening people or groups with a boycott. I think you may find your answer as to who is really calling the shots.
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I think we may have a winner!
Many saw this coming.

Mark Griffin
 
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gamemaker said:
Mark, would you consider sitting in as an arbitrator or maybe even a panel of three arbitrators possibly? Maybe there should be an entity that governs both promoter and player?
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I offered earlier to help resolve this issue.
I will not be available for next 10 days - so that won't work.
This situation needds to be resolved immediately.

I also probably should not get too involved because I do have some preconceived notions on what should happen. I good mediator must be able to stay impartial and not arrive with the 'answer in his head'.

This should not have gotten to this point and should not be resolved in the public.

But it should be able to get resolved - if that is the goal.

Mark Griffin
 
Mark Griffin said:
I offered earlier to help resolve this issue.
I will not be available for next 10 days - so that won't work.
This situation needds to be resolved immediately.

I also probably should not get too involved because I do have some preconceived notions on what should happen. I good mediator must be able to stay impartial and not arrive with the 'answer in his head'.

This should not have gotten to this point and should not be resolved in the public.

But it should be able to get resolved - if that is the goal.

Mark Griffin
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Mark
Excellent post and I think your last two sentences above hit the nail squarely on the head. If both sides have the will to do this, it should be wrapped up in double quick time. The less public comments there are from both parties during this period the easier things should be. The best negotiations are always completed by the relevant parties behind closed doors. During that time both parties should answer any media questions simply and honestly with the statement 'Negotiations Are Ongoing At This Time'.
 
Mark Griffin said:
This situation needs to be resolved immediately.

I also probably should not get too involved because I do have some preconceived notions on what should happen.

But it should be able to get resolved - if that is the goal.

Mark Griffin
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Mark,
Since you're not able to get involved directly, I think it might be highly beneficial if you could share with us your ideas on what should happen.
 
Cuaba said:
Pool players are an independent bunch.

Organizing them is like trying to herd cats.
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LOL thats too funny, "herd cats" damn things would go all over the place. They dont listen either. I'm not knocking the players, i'm not even thinking about them, i am just thinking of 100 cats in a room and truing to get them out one door. It might take a week. Cows are so much more predictable and easy to heard, I suppose thats why they are "Herd animals". Funny how things are in this world. I dont listen to anyone-like a cat. Thats why I couldnt ever have a job. "Be here at 10 tomarrow" LOL yeah right, I'd go eat dirt first and sleep under a bridge. Dont think I havent or wouldnt again.:smile: its is the lesser of 2 evils.
 
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PoolSharkAllen said:
Mark,
Since you're not able to get involved directly, I think it might be highly beneficial if you could share with us your ideas on what should happen.
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I am not willing (at this time) to say what I think is the best answer - both parties are (hopefully) trying to resolve the issues.

Throwing my ideas (or anybody else's) into the fray might just confuse things.

But keep in mind: Until the players have something to offer, they probably should reassess their demands. EVERYONE agrees they should be paid. Threats do not accomplish much. I still believe there are some other agendas going on that have muddied up the water.

I feel confident there will be an event in 2011 and beyond.

Mark Griffin
 
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