Could Joe Rogan help with pool?
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I don't know how Stu feels, but I'm not sure merely "gambling" is the right marker for the underbelly part. Even with the Queen's Gambit reference to Benny Watts, I don't think anyone would argue Benny was anything other than about chess. In fact a tension was he looked at Beth and only saw chess and chess potential and failed to see her as a person beyond those.
The underbelly, imo, is seeing pool as merely a vehicle to make a SCORE. And once the score is the driver, ethics are out the window, and pool is secondary at best.
If we see Shane play Dennis, for example, we can ooh and awe about how much money is in the middle or whatever. But those guys are playing for who--moving forward--is talked about as the one to beat.. They'd give up a lot to get that recognition, imo.
Ok, then I will include the word hustling, which again was very much a part of both previous movies I talked about. And again, both did well, and both gave a big boost to public interest in the game of pool. The hustling did nothing to decrease that boost, in fact probably helped it.
No one is going to make a movie with the objective to improve pool's image. The best pool lovers can hope for is that one is made that will have a great script, and as long as pool is the vehicle, a popular movie will give a boost. More public interest means more money for all pool related business.
And just to stay with the subject of the thread, I like Rogan, I like his podcasts. I think he has an above average intelligence. He tries to have shows that will interest a wide audience, obviously. He is a pool player, but if he doesn't think a show on pool will draw a wide audience, I doubt he will do it. Also think a successful movie would do much more than a single Rogan podcast, to give pool a boost.
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What about when a black person calls someone "Whitey"? Is that racist and is it all right in your opinion?
Yeah I’m super offended. It’s obviously the same thing. We’re all outraged.
They deleted plenty of episodes that didn’t contain the word knuckle.
They deleted some episodes that were critical of Saudi Arabia, which happens to be a new market for Spotify.
The whole thing is just a preemptive move before elections because they know whatever bs moves get pulled, Joe and/or guests will call them out and millions will see.
They (corrupt politicians & corporate types) want Joe gone more than anything because he’s the biggest source of info and ideas that aren’t filtered through their system.
A super pac funded attack on a freakin comedian with a podcast lol.
They deleted some episodes that were critical of Saudi Arabia, which happens to be a new market for Spotify.
The whole thing is just a preemptive move before elections because they know whatever bs moves get pulled, Joe and/or guests will call them out and millions will see.
They (corrupt politicians & corporate types) want Joe gone more than anything because he’s the biggest source of info and ideas that aren’t filtered through their system.
A super pac funded attack on a freakin comedian with a podcast lol.
Thanks for a thoughtful, well-considered post.
I'm not anti-gambling. I know that "The Hustler" and "The Color of Money" both gave the game a temporary boost in popularity, and another film focusing on that side of the game might do the same again.
That said, either of those films would have put up a red flag for parents who steer their children into whatever leisurely pursuits they see fit, and, at least for my money, these films tended to present the pool scene as a dangerous world that some, and not others, learn to navigate safely and successfully.
The Queen's Gambit, on the other hand, focused on the beauty of chess and the classiness of the chess tournament scene. Any parent having watched it would be 100% comfortable involving their children in the chess scene.
For me, I feel that pool players, as a group, have gotten older, and I think it's, at least in part, attributable to the fact that our sport has failed miserably at making the pool scene attractive to young people or to the parents who have a great say in whether young ones will be encouraged/permitted to be part of the pool scene.
Hence, I feel that pool, as portrayed in film and other media, has never shown its best side, and I feel it has done some damage by scaring off the young. Any pool event producer or poolroom owner will tell you how hard it has been to attract the younger demographic to their businesses, and things have been that way for quite some time.
I do feel, however, that these movies, though entertaining, show pool at its worst, not at its best, and I feel strongly that these movies tended to reinforce just how seedy the pool scene can be and not on how beautiful the game and the pool scene can be.
Where you are right, however, is that I don't see the gambling side of pool as the lure we should be using to attract new, and especially young, players. Pool, to me, has the inner beauty of chess, and its top events have a certain majesty about them, and I feel we'd have a better shot at attracting new players long-term if we take steps in the direction of emphasizing that inner beauty, much as The Queen's Gambit did for chess.
... of course, that doesn't make me right, but it's how I see things. We've lost an entire generation of players, and it's time to do something about it.
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Don't forget we need to take down all the statues and landmarks that are a hundred or more years old because they recognize someone who is no longer in favor. And heaven forbid a team nickname somehow becomes defamatory after 75 years!
I'm sorry I just don't get it. Why all the outrage after all these years? Do we need to fight the Civil War again? Or has it already begun?
To "get it," remember the govt is in reality a criminal gang writ large. That helps to instantly clear up so many of its trouble-making ways.
Jeff Livingston
Trying to understand why some people think statues should be taken down, and why others think they should stay up is surely important given that society is having a conversation about itself.
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I say awesome, Whitey wants a cracker.
Honky was the bad term used back when. If I remember, it was used on sitcoms in the 70's.
I still have to go to therapy when I hear it. Words in my ears...what to do? what to do?
Jeff, Honky, Livingston, banned for quoting Nixon's totally racist use of the N word and proud of exposing his racism.
I still have to go to therapy when I hear it. Words in my ears...what to do? what to do?
Jeff, Honky, Livingston, banned for quoting Nixon's totally racist use of the N word and proud of exposing his racism.
You want to turn me out? Are you suggesting that you want me to agree with you or you’ll sexually assault me or have me sexually assaulted.
Why so violent?
Kinda figured assault and threats is where you’d end up.
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“The Queen’s Gambit” was written by Walter Tevis, the same man who wrote “The Hustler”Pool needs a tv series like The Queen's Gambit. You can read about how Chess's popularity has skyrocketed since that show came out. Btw, Pool is on TV - i have the billiard network on my cable subscription via youtube tv.
Chess enthusiasts are flocking to TikTok, gaining millions of views with comedy skits and tutorials about the centuries-old game
Key figures within TikTok's growing chess community explain the boom in online popularity surrounding a game that's over 1,000 years old.www.insider.com
And there’s one of the main points- you’d rather be playin’ than watchin’.
Pool tends to lend itself to being a participatory sport moreso than a spectator sport.
They’re both the attacking of an inert ball towards a hole with a stick.
The funny thing if not ironic is that when Rogan shut his forum down it was after he pinned pleas to curb the racism. Along with a few other things going on there like gore, sexual harrassment and questionable porn.
That plea sparked a thread that ultimately turned into a poll about racist forums on the internet. AZB was up on that list with significant votes and that was maybe 10 years ago... maybe more.
This place more than ever has become a safe haven for racism, homophobia, bigotry and intolerance. There's protecting free speech and then there's protecting hate speech. I don't feel this community and the pool community in general comes out on the right side of that debate and its not something new here. There is an overwhelming age bracket behind the vitriol which has contempt for younger generations... how do you grow your sport when your base openly hates millennials and gen Z. You're gonna run out of customers...
Its a shame that he shut his forum down. There was so much good content there from cars, carpentry, landscaping, audio/video, growing, music... it was easily the best forum I'd been a part of but he knew way back then that he needed to distance himself from negative aspects that made its way there.
I like Joe. I think he's sincere in his apology and I'm happy spotify didn't cave into cancel culture.
There was a post above that pointed to him being targeted as a political motive and tool and I don't disagree with that. Once the smoke clears I hope Joe pushes the dialogue rather than shy from it. I think he will.
That plea sparked a thread that ultimately turned into a poll about racist forums on the internet. AZB was up on that list with significant votes and that was maybe 10 years ago... maybe more.
This place more than ever has become a safe haven for racism, homophobia, bigotry and intolerance. There's protecting free speech and then there's protecting hate speech. I don't feel this community and the pool community in general comes out on the right side of that debate and its not something new here. There is an overwhelming age bracket behind the vitriol which has contempt for younger generations... how do you grow your sport when your base openly hates millennials and gen Z. You're gonna run out of customers...
Its a shame that he shut his forum down. There was so much good content there from cars, carpentry, landscaping, audio/video, growing, music... it was easily the best forum I'd been a part of but he knew way back then that he needed to distance himself from negative aspects that made its way there.
I like Joe. I think he's sincere in his apology and I'm happy spotify didn't cave into cancel culture.
There was a post above that pointed to him being targeted as a political motive and tool and I don't disagree with that. Once the smoke clears I hope Joe pushes the dialogue rather than shy from it. I think he will.