Could Joe Rogan help with pool?

chefjeff

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Bishop said:
This is a compelling counter argument. Well thought out and presented.
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You've done it so much, I'm too tired to go through every stupid projection again.

Why not deal with what we really do here? No need to make up shit, is there?



Jeff Livingston
 
Bishop

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chefjeff said:
You've done it so much, I'm too tired to go through every stupid projection again.

Why not deal with what we really do here? No need to make up shit, is there?



Jeff Livingston
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What are you even talking about.

Do you even know what’s going on? I imagine you weren’t a member on his forum or watch his podcasts.

So as usual you add nothing yet desperately want to crawl up my butt and cork sniff what I had for breakfast.
 
jay helfert

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Bishop said:
The funny thing if not ironic is that when Rogan shut his forum down it was after he pinned pleas to curb the racism. Along with a few other things going on there like gore, sexual harrassment and questionable porn.

That plea sparked a thread that ultimately turned into a poll about racist forums on the internet. AZB was up on that list with significant votes and that was maybe 10 years ago... maybe more.

This place more than ever has become a safe haven for racism, homophobia, bigotry and intolerance. There's protecting free speech and then there's protecting hate speech. I don't feel this community and the pool community in general comes out on the right side of that debate and its not something new here. There is an overwhelming age bracket behind the vitriol which has contempt for younger generations... how do you grow your sport when your base openly hates millennials and gen Z. You're gonna run out of customers...

Its a shame that he shut his forum down. There was so much good content there from cars, carpentry, landscaping, audio/video, growing, music... it was easily the best forum I'd been a part of but he knew way back then that he needed to distance himself from negative aspects that made its way there.

I like Joe. I think he's sincere in his apology and I'm happy spotify didn't cave into cancel culture.

There was a post above that pointed to him being targeted as a political motive and tool and I don't disagree with that. Once the smoke clears I hope Joe pushes the dialogue rather than shy from it. I think he will.
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Thank you offering your opinion. That's one of the things I like about this forum, all the different points of view by so many diverse people. I often find it enlightening reading on here. There are many very intelligent people who post on AZB.
 
jay helfert

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Bishop said:
What are you even talking about.

Do you even know what’s going on? I imagine you weren’t a member on his forum or watch his podcasts.

So as usual you add nothing yet desperately want to crawl up my butt and cork sniff what I had for breakfast.
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Thanks again for such a graphic and creative response. Like I said above, so many intelligent people posting here.
 
easy-e

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Bishop said:
What are you even talking about.

Do you even know what’s going on? I imagine you weren’t a member on his forum or watch his podcasts.

So as usual you add nothing yet desperately want to crawl up my butt and cork sniff what I had for breakfast.
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"As usual"? Your last response to him was very complimentary. You're ruining this thread.
 
chefjeff

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Bishop said:
What are you even talking about.

Do you even know what’s going on? I imagine you weren’t a member on his forum or watch his podcasts.

So as usual you add nothing yet desperately want to crawl up my butt and cork sniff what I had for breakfast.
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I told you exactly what I was talking about: your post.


Jeff Livingston
 
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sjm said:
Thanks for a thoughtful, well-considered post.

I'm not anti-gambling. I know that "The Hustler" and "The Color of Money" both gave the game a temporary boost in popularity, and another film focusing on that side of the game might do the same again.

That said, either of those films would have put up a red flag for parents who steer their children into whatever leisurely pursuits they see fit, and, at least for my money, these films tended to present the pool scene as a dangerous world that some, and not others, learn to navigate safely and successfully.

The Queen's Gambit, on the other hand, focused on the beauty of chess and the classiness of the chess tournament scene. Any parent having watched it would be 100% comfortable involving their children in the chess scene.

For me, I feel that pool players, as a group, have gotten older, and I think it's, at least in part, attributable to the fact that our sport has failed miserably at making the pool scene attractive to young people or to the parents who have a great say in whether young ones will be encouraged/permitted to be part of the pool scene.

Hence, I feel that pool, as portrayed in film and other media, has never shown its best side, and I feel it has done some damage by scaring off the young. Any pool event producer or poolroom owner will tell you how hard it has been to attract the younger demographic to their businesses, and things have been that way for quite some time.

I do feel, however, that these movies, though entertaining, show pool at its worst, not at its best, and I feel strongly that these movies tended to reinforce just how seedy the pool scene can be and not on how beautiful the game and the pool scene can be.

Where you are right, however, is that I don't see the gambling side of pool as the lure we should be using to attract new, and especially young, players. Pool, to me, has the inner beauty of chess, and its top events have a certain majesty about them, and I feel we'd have a better shot at attracting new players long-term if we take steps in the direction of emphasizing that inner beauty, much as The Queen's Gambit did for chess.

... of course, that doesn't make me right, but it's how I see things. We've lost an entire generation of players, and it's time to do something about it.
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Speaking directly to your point about the differences between pool and chess, the little one will not play pool but we do play chess ;) I have a table in my living room and we shoot once in a while, and I thought about putting her in a juniors league but, at the end of the day, it's not the world I want her in.

Way too much personal experience with absolutely shady people ;)
 
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Shuddy said:
I suspect it’s already waning. I loved it when he had guests like the mushroom dude who is so devoted to mushrooms that he made his hat out of them. Now, it’s .. well.. I’m not sure. I tuned out a while ago.
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That was a great podcast.
The mushroom guy's name is Paul Stamets.
There is an excellent riveting documentary out about mushrooms and Stamets is in it.
Sorry for going off topic.

"Fantastic Fungi"

 
punter

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sjm said:
Thanks for a thoughtful, well-considered post.

I'm not anti-gambling. I know that "The Hustler" and "The Color of Money" both gave the game a temporary boost in popularity, and another film focusing on that side of the game might do the same again.

That said, either of those films would have put up a red flag for parents who steer their children into whatever leisurely pursuits they see fit, and, at least for my money, these films tended to present the pool scene as a dangerous world that some, and not others, learn to navigate safely and successfully.

The Queen's Gambit, on the other hand, focused on the beauty of chess and the classiness of the chess tournament scene. Any parent having watched it would be 100% comfortable involving their children in the chess scene.

For me, I feel that pool players, as a group, have gotten older, and I think it's, at least in part, attributable to the fact that our sport has failed miserably at making the pool scene attractive to young people or to the parents who have a great say in whether young ones will be encouraged/permitted to be part of the pool scene.

Hence, I feel that pool, as portrayed in film and other media, has never shown its best side, and I feel it has done some damage by scaring off the young. Any pool event producer or poolroom owner will tell you how hard it has been to attract the younger demographic to their businesses, and things have been that way for quite some time.

I do feel, however, that these movies, though entertaining, show pool at its worst, not at its best, and I feel strongly that these movies tended to reinforce just how seedy the pool scene can be and not on how beautiful the game and the pool scene can be.

Where you are right, however, is that I don't see the gambling side of pool as the lure we should be using to attract new, and especially young, players. Pool, to me, has the inner beauty of chess, and its top events have a certain majesty about them, and I feel we'd have a better shot at attracting new players long-term if we take steps in the direction of emphasizing that inner beauty, much as The Queen's Gambit did for chess.

... of course, that doesn't make me right, but it's how I see things. We've lost an entire generation of players, and it's time to do something about it.
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I'm glad that, at the end of your post, you found something I was right about.🙂 I haven't seen Queen's Gambit. But to your point about these movies showing the seedy side of pool, take The Hustler, it contained that part of pool because it was real, the truth, but of course, that was not what the movie was about and I'm sure you know that. Just to be clear, I'm talking about Fast Eddie's change of heart at the end where he was torn up, and transformed, about the treatment of Piper Laurie's character. With a good story and the stars involved, pool received a huge boost. I feel like you are minimizing that.

But granted, this whole thread is addressing ways to make pool more popular, and draw young people. IMO the two movies The Hustler and COM, did that in a big way, and enough time has passed since the COM (around 25 years), that I feel another good movie may do the same. I don't particularly care whether it has gambling in it or not, but it has to catch people's interest somehow.

And if you are not anti-gambling, I apologize for saying that, I guess I concluded that from some of your prior posts about your lack of interest in action games.

IMO, your assumption that the existence of this 'seedy' side of pool is a reason for a lag in pool popularity, isn't necessarily true. I am in Texas and close to Louisiana. Both have a lot of league play, but most do not follow the pro game. So I don't think a seedy portrayal is the problem. Promotion of the pro game and pro players is needed to increase interest in that area of pool. Sure, some are definitely trying, I hope they have success. If you want to target youth, you devise ways to do that specifically. But don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Somehow I feel we have had a similar exchange years ago. LOL. Anyway, I always enjoy your tournament posts sjm. Respect.
 
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punter said:
I'm glad that, at the end of your post, you found something I was right about.🙂 I haven't seen Queen's Gambit. But to your point about these movies showing the seedy side of pool, take The Hustler, it contained that part of pool because it was real, the truth, but of course, that was not what the movie was about and I'm sure you know that. Just to be clear, I'm talking about Fast Eddie's change of heart at the end where he was torn up, and transformed, about the treatment of Piper Laurie's character. With a good story and the stars involved, pool received a huge boost. I feel like you are minimizing that.

But granted, this whole thread is addressing ways to make pool more popular, and draw young people. IMO the two movies The Hustler and COM, did that in a big way, and enough time has passed since the COM (around 25 years), that I feel another good movie may do the same. I don't particularly care whether it has gambling in it or not, but it has to catch people's interest somehow.

And if you are not anti-gambling, I apologize for saying that, I guess I concluded that from some of your prior posts about your lack of interest in action games.

IMO, your assumption that the existence of this 'seedy' side of pool is a reason for a lag in pool popularity, isn't necessarily true. I am in Texas and close to Louisiana. Both have a lot of league play, but most do not follow the pro game. So I don't think a seedy portrayal is the problem. Promotion of the pro game and pro players is needed to increase interest in that area of pool. Sure, some are definitely trying, I hope they have success. If you want to target youth, you devise ways to do that specifically. But don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Somehow I feel we have had a similar exchange years ago. LOL. Anyway, I always enjoy your tournament posts sjm. Respect.
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Well said, Punter. We have different philosophies here, but I can tell we both want the same thing for pool. Let's hope we get it.
 
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