DryFlyTrout
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You'll play what they tell you to play!
Could this be the Future of Pool?
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No bet!
The global golf equipment market is something in the neighborhood of $7 billion per year.
Companies spend a lot of marketing/sponsorship money to get their share of that…
The global pool equipment market is something in the neighborhood of $163.42.
There’s a few reasons behind that spread.The global golf equipment market is something in the neighborhood of $7 billion per year.
Companies spend a lot of marketing/sponsorship money to get their share of that…
The global pool equipment market is something in the neighborhood of $163.42.
#1 the amount of participants in each sport
#2 house cues, who uses house clubs?
#3 the budget of golfers is higher
#4 there’s more bits & bobs & pieces in golf than pool. 6 tip tools is probably the top number a person can buy, 3-4 cues and there’s a zillion golf clubs, putters, etc. it’s a more equipment orientated game.
#5 I’m not sure I have a #5 at this time, but the point is pool & golf are 2 different games and there are very few pro shops where a pool player can wonder into and dump $600 on the next best thing. Where on golf if you get out of the shop $600 lite-you exercised tremendous discipline.
#6 gloves. Pool gloves are a one handed idea and not necessary. In golf you need 2 gloves. That’s gotta be a few million a year right there.
Pool spend will never ever get close to golf, nor will the prize pools. In fact I’d bet they are farther and farther apart each year if we looked back 30 years and will be a bigger spread 30 years from now. Golf wins every time.
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Fatboy<——-doesn’t play golf
I'm not sure the money grabbers are being short-sighted at all. In the short-term, they'll play far fewer events a year, get to spend more time with their families, and still earn more money than they would have on the PGA.
In all likelihood, one of two things will happen: 1) many other PGA pro players will get on the bandwagon and join the LIV, causing the LIV to be positioned to become the world's premier golf tour, or 2) the LIV venture will be discontinued at some point, in which case you can bet the house that the players who defected will be welcomed back to the PGA tour with open arms, possibly after some kind of slap on the wrist.
The only reason one would not consider the LIV, in my opinion, is loyalty to the PGA, and some players have it and others don't, and it's not for me to pass judgement on why or why not.
Serious post, not joking around like I have been last couple days:
Idk the whole story here. I was talking to a friend who’s a pool player who follows golf very closely last 30 years. He’s clearly on the side of what ever pays the players the most is best. I can’t disagree with that.
The real question here, for me at least if someone or some fund, entity or Elon Musk wants to create a golf tour who’s stopping them? And on what grounds? The PGA doesn’t have a patient or been granted global monopolistic rights to be the only employer in golf.
Seems to me if a billion or 2 $’s was spent to build out a different tour and its successful-good for them. Sounds like a lot of money, but that’s what a NFL or NBA team costs. So it’s not a unreasonable number. Even if it was a stupid high number-say $10B and the new tour guaranteed $6,000,000 for last place player who qualified to be on the “new tour” what’s that have to do with the PGA?
Do golfers sign away their right to play else where for other tours? That’s my question.
Seems like in a free market capitalist economy anyone can come along and build out a tour if they have the money to do so and create their guidelines and codes of conduct for their players and should the players agree to restrictive rules in exchange for excessive compensation-what’s wrong with that?
Do we owe the PGA something? Or do they have agreements of exclusivity with current players?
Idk, but that’s seems to be where the rubber hits the road
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Fatboy <———never tried to golf
That’s about the only part of pool player DNA I’ve never had. Even when I was broke, I was never cheap. However I’ve never thrown away $ either. So maybe I have a mutated strain of “cheap bastard” in meYou forgot, pool players are cheap bastards.
As an emerging market LIV attracting the best older talent is like hiring trainers to train a new generation of pros.
The WPA calendar has been doing this with its expansion of events.
Predator has been instrumental in endorsing players. Matchroom provides the toughest conditions for competition.
Sports has the power to change lives. Many countries struggle with youth development. The future of pool is based on investments in the youth years ago.
SVB used to be the TAR pro, now he is a legend. Those are the stories countries want to promote.
Would you rather tell stories of being conscripted into a national service?
The WPA calendar has been doing this with its expansion of events.
Predator has been instrumental in endorsing players. Matchroom provides the toughest conditions for competition.
Sports has the power to change lives. Many countries struggle with youth development. The future of pool is based on investments in the youth years ago.
SVB used to be the TAR pro, now he is a legend. Those are the stories countries want to promote.
Would you rather tell stories of being conscripted into a national service?
In truth yes, but in practice not exactly.
I'm no guru on this subject when it comes to golf but I know how player contracts tend to work in general and have first hand knowledge of some of the player contracts in pool over the years.
To play on the PGA, a player must sign a contract with the PGA. Among the things that will be agreed to are adherence to certain rules, dress code and code of conduct guidelines being examples. Another obligation is that a player won't play in a non-PGA tournament without first requesting and obtaining a waiver from the PGA. In the past, many of these waivers were granted, but those denied waivers would, as a rule, respect the PGA's decision.
What's different about the LIV is that PGA sees the LIV tour as poaching its top players to try to compete with the PGA. Hence, the PGA denied all requested waivers for the inaugural LIV event which is now in progress. The other thing that's different is that numerous players opted to play in the LIV event despite having been denied the requested waiver, and this, of course, is all about the money.
Golf TV ratings have dropped by half to 2/3 in the last decade, probably at least in part due to the stuffiness you mentioned. LIV has talked about changing the format to shorter tournaments. I think this sort of experimentation could be good for the sport, just like what we are seeing with CSI and Matchroom in pool. The NFL is always tinkering with their product to make sure it doesn't get stale.
check the golf channel - nope
abc - nope
nbc - nope
cbs - nope
fox/bally - nope
espn - hogs 4 - tarheels zero
https://www.livgolf.com/watch, flyers ain't doing so good
abc - nope
nbc - nope
cbs - nope
fox/bally - nope
espn - hogs 4 - tarheels zero
https://www.livgolf.com/watch, flyers ain't doing so good
I disagree. Matchroom didn't cry when Predator and CSI went in together and created a series and then made it available on
YouTube for free.
They could have banned players for playing those events but did not because they know the players are trying to make a living
and having another promoter helping them with that is part of the solution. The free content provided hasn't hurt their business
model because Matchrooms model is stronger than the new thing by a long shot.
YouTube for free.
They could have banned players for playing those events but did not because they know the players are trying to make a living
and having another promoter helping them with that is part of the solution. The free content provided hasn't hurt their business
model because Matchrooms model is stronger than the new thing by a long shot.
I am amazed at how off the mark, so many posters are in this thread. The Liv tour is a disaster for golf and destined to fail. All that remains to be see, is how damage is done. 70 to 80 years ago, so- called Pro golfers were considered drunks and bums. They banded together to create the original players association. They negotiated with tournament holders, gained sponsorship, did charity work, etc. Negotiated TV contracts and worked their butts off to make the tour what it is. Abandoning a guaranteed pot of gold, to run after some clown waving green backs, is just plain stupid. Greg Norman has been trying to create an Elite tour for 30 years, no go, it won’t work. My wife doesn’t golf, but she just watched all four rounds of the RBC, hoping Rory would win. If Rory had been playing in the Liv tournament, she would not of watched one second of it. I’m with the PGA on this one. You want to kill the golden goose, get the eff out. When you want back in, nope we don’t see you. We got full fields without you. We got fans, sponsors, big tv audience. Don’t need you. Besides, your guy can’t beat our guy. Why would the pga welcome these guys back? To take away a spot from a player who did the charity work, played the pro-am, put in the time. I’m predicting the opposite of the majority here, we’ll see.
First of all, I agree with nearly all of this post.
That said, viewing those suspended as being banished from the PGA for life is both inaccurate and short-sighted. If/when LIV folds, I doubt the PGA has the authority to deny players that defected re-entry. That may or not mean these players can walk right back in through the front door, but even if some of them had to go to Q-school or had to play on the Korn Ferry Tour for a year, nearly all of the elite would get back to the PGA quickly.
Don't forget that golf is a business and guys like Dustin Johnson, Phil Mickelson and Ricky Fowler are highly marketable and are among those that kept the PGA brand strong in recent years. The PGA will want them back, as will the fans of golf.
DJ is more famous for a rules gaff and doing Gretzsky's daughter than playing golf. Phil needs to realize he's a senior player and quit running his piehole. Ricky is a pretty-boy who has trouble making cuts much less winning. My point here is that a lot of the guys going to the LIV are not critical to the PGATour's success. No one is going to miss Kevin Na or that Schwartzel dude. Last but not least is DeChambeau. I find him to be quite polarizing. I for one am not a fan of his science-geek approach to the game. Won't miss him either.
Whether you like these players or not or like the way they play golf, they have helped to generate a lot of positive attention and sponsorship money for the PGA in recent times. Yes, the PGA won't crumble without them, but they could, once again, be valuable assets in the marketing of the PGA were they to return.
PGATour is loaded with top players right now and won't miss a step without these guys. These guys got rich BECAUSE of the PGATour and now they run off on a money grab. I really hope the LIV falls flat on its face. Not a fan of who's running it or where the $$ is coming from. Even Phil made comments about the Saudi regime before he did a 180deg turn to chase $$ he can no longer win on the Tour.