could Xiaoting Pan compete with the Mens pros if...

[TheThaiger]

The issue is sheer number. There are exponentially more men as members of this forum than women -- that's a fact. There are exponentially more opportunities for men to "mix it up" and respond when it comes to posting here.

And, the issue with "always leaping to the defense of women" has to do with folks having had it -- sick of it -- when it comes to discriminating against women "because she's a woman." Women have the history of being discriminated against, not men. THAT is why women don't have to come to the aid of men -- there was never a historical precedence to.



Yes it is. Odd that you brought this phrase up, when noone else did.



Yes, I agree with this. But you have to have the equality part first. In your eyes and viewpoint, it seems, that is a milestone yet to be achieved, and still a long ways off.

Tim, with all these pro-gender-bias posts, are you trying to position yourself as the negative reciprocal of Gloria Steinem or something? Not sure what you're trying to achieve here.

-Sean

What I'm trying to achieve, mon petite exemplar of tedium, is an adequate explanation as to why women pool players are inferior to men.

My explanation: there's no will.

What's yours again? As with all 'sensitive' types, there's always lots of irrelevant questions and very few pertinent answers.

 

[TheThaiger]

So you categorize and stereotype women en-masse, just by your personal observations of women in your [small, by geographical area comparison] country?

I stereotype and characterise British women, as I've mentioned several times, but the issue is wider than just the UK, and affects virtually all English speaking nations.

The more you seek to protect, the more at risk they become.

ps there are 60 million people in the UK, so the sample size is hardly insignificant. Luckily for you, Sean, size doesn't matter.

 

[TheThaiger]

Yes the majority of young people here is slim. Finding skinny people is very easy ( for example I'm 5-7.5 for 115lbs...). I heard the rate of overweight people is raising because of the fastfoods and junk food in general.
However the average height here is very low, me at 5ft7.5 in I feel average ( a little lower than average but not by much, instead in germany I was a midget walking around).

The girl is Kaya Scodelario

Don't go to Holland!

 

[sfleinen]

What I'm trying to achieve, mon petite exemplar of tedium, is an adequate explanation as to why women pool players are inferior to men.

My explanation: there's no will.

I disagree. Rather, I think this is a numbers question. See below.

What's yours again? As with all 'sensitive' types, there's always lots of irrelevant questions and very few pertinent answers.

Wrong. Targeted "calling you out" on your position specifically is not "irrelevant," although you'd like to use that as a defense.

The answer to your question is simple, but you either refuse to hear it, or you want to dance around it because of some inherent agenda you have in furthering the discrimination. Sheer numbers is your answer. There are exponentially more men playing the cue sports than women. Thus, the number of men that filter upwards towards greatness is larger precisely because of this larger demographic.

-Sean

 

[TheThaiger]

I disagree. Rather, I think this is a numbers question. See below.



Wrong. Targeted "calling you out" on your position specifically is not "irrelevant," although you'd like to use that as a defense.

The answer to your question is simple, but you either refuse to hear it, or you want to dance around it because of some inherent agenda you have in furthering the discrimination. Sheer numbers is your answer. There are exponentially more men playing the cue sports than women. Thus, the number of men that filter upwards towards greatness is larger precisely because of this larger demographic.

-Sean

Go and read post #87 a couple of times til you get it.

 

[sfleinen]

Go and read post #87 a couple of times til you get it.

Funny you're saying that, because I did read that post, and it is precisely the reason why I wrote what I did. I just used the other post of yours to quote from.

But let's expand on that -- you're saying that the lack of will in women is greater than the lack of will in men? Can you honestly keep a straight face when writing that?

So in the grand scheme of total player demographic, you're saying the number of "men bangers" is less by comparison to the number of "women bangers"?

*I* think you are blinded by your own perception of what exactly makes up these numbers. It appears you go to your local club, and conveniently ignore all the men bangers, but the moment a woman walks in, and "can't play" according to your standards, suddenly this is an "en-masse will" issue?

-Sean

 

[jay helfert]

I'm really not sure what you're trying to prove here. If all women have such a pioneering spriit, why do the majority of (British) women sit on their backsides all day, eating chocolate and watching EastEnders?

Probably because they are bored with men like you.

 

[TheThaiger]

Funny you're saying that, because I did read that post, and it is precisely the reason why I wrote what I did. I just used the other post of yours to quote from.

But let's expand on that -- you're saying that the lack of will in women is greater than the lack of will in men? Can you honestly keep a straight face when writing that?

So in the grand scheme of total player demographic, you're saying the number of "men bangers" is less by comparison to the number of "women bangers"?

*I* think you are blinded by your own perception of what exactly makes up these numbers. It appears you go to your local club, and conveniently ignore all the men bangers, but the moment a woman walks in, and "can't play" according to your standards, suddenly this is an "en-masse will" issue?

-Sean

As ever, you're making this more complicated than it is. Women don't want to play pool.

Why is that?

 

[TheThaiger]

Probably because they are bored with men like you.

Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, hansum man.

 

[BasementDweller]

As ever, you're making this more complicated than it is. Women don't want to play pool.

Why is that?

I find myself agreeing with you more and more...

This really isn't that complicated. Men and women are different. That's really all there is to it.

I prefer to celebrate our differences instead of pretending that we are all the same. It's such nonsense.

Testosterone changes everything.

 

[justadub]

As ever, you're making this more complicated than it is. Women don't want to play pool.

Why is that?

Likely due to the preponderance of neanderthal-type behavior, exhibited nicely in this thread.

Just a guess.

 

[TheThaiger]

Likely due to the preponderance of neanderthal-type behavior, exhibited nicely in this thread.

Just a guess.

Firstly, that 'joke' has already been made. Secondly, it's nonsense.

 

[real bartram]

With all due respect Sir Thaiger, you are living in one small corner of the world. Take a look around and you will see women leaders in government, business and science EVERYWHERE! They just made a movie about Margaret Thatcher, I hope you didn't miss it.

I'm not totally disagreeing with your opinion on women in sport, but to characterize women in general as ill suited to challenge a man is inappropriate and very narrow minded indeed. Twenty odd years ago I bragged that no woman could beat me in pool, and a certain Robin Bell (Dodson) shut my mouth forever!

As my friend Alfie likes to say, "Keep it nice."

she may have beat you.
but she would never beat a player like me or shuff or oscar for money.

 

[justadub]

Firstly, that 'joke' has already been made. Secondly, it's nonsense.

I'm not saying that the differences between how men and women cannot be discussed or debated. It is interesting, when the discussion is kept civil.

I was merely answering your question as to why more ladies don't play this game. In a general sense, not regarding your attitude, or anyone else's in this thread, specifically.

Though if the shoe fits....

 

[TheThaiger]

I'm not saying that the differences between how men and women cannot be discussed or debated. It is interesting, when the discussion is kept civil.

I was merely answering your question as to why more ladies don't play this game. In a general sense, not regarding your attitude, or anyone else's in this thread, specifically.

Though if the shoe fits....

I put my right foot in,
I put my right foot out,
In out, in out.
shake it all about.

I think all bases were covered there.

 

[CharlesUFarley]

Chris Bartram....you don't know me, but If you ever get action against a female player in a race to 100, with anyone on earth breaking for her, P.M. me with a couple of months notice so I can sell my house.....As long as you're matching what I put up with your own cash....I could scrape together a couple hundred thousand....lol

If Chris prefers to bet on his own....ANYONE has side action for all they want to bet.

 

[jay helfert]

she may have beat you.
but she would never beat a player like me or shuff or oscar for money.

Chris, You missed my point. There are women out there right now who are fully capable of beating you in a tournament match. That's all that I'm referring too. At no time did I ever say anything about a money match. I never played Robin for money either. She beat me in a tournament along with 62 other guys, some of whom were pretty fair players.

Robin was a damn good tournament player. She might have given you trouble too in that setting. Today there are quite a few women who are better players than Robin was. One of them could well win an open event some day. It wouldn't surprise me if it happened. That is my point!

P.S. The funny thing about this thread is that we all know that several women have beaten top men players in tournaments already. This is not a secret.

 

[Celtic]

I have no horse in this race but Bartram has offered to play any woman and no one has given him action. If people actually believe a woman could beat him I would think he'd have action. No?

You are correct. Posts like yours and Bartrum's as can be witnessed go completely ignored by people who do the posting equivalent of sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting "LA LA LA, I can't hear you!!!".

That is why we continue to get these threads and nothing but "talk" from people like Jay. The offer is made, they ignore it and keep on yapping.

 

[Celtic]

P.S. The funny thing about this thread is that we all know that several women have beaten top men players in tournaments already. This is not a secret.

Thats because the question was if she could compete against the TOP male pros in 9-ball with a designated breaker PERIOD.

It was not "Do you think XTP could compete with the top male pros if she had a designated breaker and if the races were short enough and if the pockets were not too small and if the male player scratches on a couple of his breaks and is just getting over a case of the flu and..."

It was VERY CLEARLY a question that asked if XTP in fact shoots as well as the TOP make pros in the game and her only weakness relative to them is the break shot.

It was YOU who spun the question into something else.

Who gives a crap if they can win a tournament match? Emile Rivera from Australia who I used to play for cash took out Earl in a WPC match once and it does not come even CLOSE to meaning he is as good as Earl in any way concievable. I beat Tyler Edey for cash once, I beat Adam smith in a mini in Vegas, you know what that means in the grand scheme of things, diddly squat. And that is what you are giving us Jay.

We KNOW the women have a chance to snap off a short single tournament match, so do about 5000 male players who almost knows who the heck they even are. Who really gives a crap about that? Seriously?

 

[risky biz]

Quote:
Originally Posted by real bartram
she may have beat you.
but she would never beat a player like me or shuff or oscar for money.

Chris, You missed my point. There are women out there right now who are fully capable of beating you in a tournament match. That's all that I'm referring too. At no time did I ever say anything about a money match. I never played Robin for money either. She beat me in a tournament along with 62 other guys, some of whom were pretty fair players.

Robin was a damn good tournament player. She might have given you trouble too in that setting. Today there are quite a few women who are better players than Robin was. One of them could well win an open event some day. It wouldn't surprise me if it happened. That is my point!

P.S. The funny thing about this thread is that we all know that several women have beaten top men players in tournaments already. This is not a secret.

The "money" aspect makes it a gaff proposition. There are lots of very good players who don't play money games. What are the odds that Fu Xiao Fang would reply if you sent her an e-mail offering to back her in a money game. Pretty low, I think. Not the least bit interested most likely. That is no reflection at all on her playing level.

I certainly don't have anything against money games but a lot of players don't think they're worth the effort for good reasons.

Also, there is a really good tournament schedule with major backers in Asia. A lot of Asian players don't even bother coming to tournaments in the US. Also for good reasons.