Counterfeit tables (and a contest)

Bob Jewett said:
OK, but already taken.

Leaving Maurice Vignaux December 16 in the scan was a little too much help.

Note that the picture above of a table is the first Brunswick (in the wide sense) Centennial and it referred to the the centenary of the US, not of the BBCCo. That is also a pretty good hint about the year.

So, I suppose we have two winners, 1876 (Christmas) and 1877 (New Years), which would be Black-Balled and JAM. Please PM me with shipping addresses.
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I have bought tickets in cue raffles, purchased items in pool charity raffles, provided mottos for industry sponsor contests, bet on vBookie, and I have never, ever won anything until today.

I am so excited! :happydance::happydance::happydance::happydance:

PM is coming your way, Mr. Jewett! Thank you for the contest. It was fun! :clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:
 
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Anyone who has worked in the table service business for any length of time can tell you that all of the major table manufacturers from the early 20th century and before, were guilty of "re-branding" pool tables. They would take tables in on trade or purchase them on the used market, fix them up, put their own name plate on them and then sell them as their own. I've seen several dozen of these over the years.

Sherm
 
JAM said:
LOL! Me, too! :D

ETA: 1ab edited his post to 1875, but I think 1876 is the right answer.
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I just wanted a dog in the fight:smile:
 

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hahaha. Thanks, Bob.

I will think of a good way to pay it forward, AZB. Consider yourselves warned.
 
scruffy1 said:
WHAT? You won?? How can that be?lol

It should of been a clue to as how early by the company Collender. This is the same collender that merged with Brunswick to form The Brunswick Balke Collender company in 1884.
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I dont think he won.
 
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1840 is my educated or non-edumacated guess........I dont think Collender came to the U.S. until 1848 with his parents. I could be wrong though.
 
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We already have winners, but thanks to all who played. I clearly made it too easy, and will have to be more careful next time.
 
prewarhero said:
I dont think he won.
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I think he did..



OK, but already taken.

Leaving Maurice Vignaux December 16 in the scan was a little too much help.

Note that the picture above of a table is the first Brunswick (in the wide sense) Centennial and it referred to the the centenary of the US, not of the BBCCo. That is also a pretty good hint about the year.

So, I suppose we have two winners, 1876 (Christmas) and 1877 (New Years), which would be Black-Balled and JAM. Please PM me with shipping addresses.
 
1874, 12/31 to be exact.. NY Times.. at least, that's when they printed the challenge article.

Heh.. amatures. ;)

Hopefully nobody else got it yet! I haven't finished the thread.. :embarrassed2:

Damnit.. that'll teach me to save threads for later.

Of course, maybe I was just all wrong!
 
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The books are on their way to the two happy winners. Here is another item from the same publication which seems to be 80% advertising for Collender's products.

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And here is the "masthead" for the issue....

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Man, those clamps were brutal....most rooms had a more modern variation
of those when I as young. If you weren't careful it left marks on the shaft.
Two elastics did the job without hurting your cue.

I feel spoiled now...only cuemakers put my tips on.
 
Hugh Collender was married to the eldest daughter if Michael Phelan, both of whom were good friends with Chicago's Irish dean of billiards, Tom Foley.

So close were these three men, that Foley named his son after Phelan, and named his racehorse and his billiard hall after Collender.

Phelan and Collender officially went into business together in 1860, although they had already spent the previous 10 years basically redesigning the entire american billiard table.

Phelan died in October of 1871 (ironically, one day before Chicago's great fire of 1871.) which left Mr. Collender to handle his company alone.

But Collender was getting old at this point, and Brunswick was coming on strong, so rather than fight, he joined forces with his greatest competitor and served as Brunswick company president from 1886 until his death in 1890.

The article Bob posted would have been published after Phelans death, but before Collender joined Brunswick...
 
Thank you, Mr. Jewett!

Thank you so much for this fun pool contest. I received the very generous prize today in the mail. I plan on perusing it this holiday weekend. :cool:

I'm so very happy! You're the best! :smile:
 
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