Cracked Ivorine Ferrule ?????

Dirtbmw20

Dirtbmw20

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One of my very good buddies has a JD cue and one of his friends knocked over the stick a week or so ago while they were playing, the guy hit it with his cue while turning around and the cue fell over onto the floor (concrete floor), when he picked it up, the ferrule looked like this....(sorry for the crappy pics). Can someone give me their opinion if they are actual cracks ??? I have even put it under a eye loupe maginfying glass and to me they LOOK like scratches, they don't look deep enough for cracks to me but I can easily be wrong. I DID use some 1000 and 1200 sand paper and try to buff them out and they are not coming out. I just don't see how knocking over the cue ONE time would come close to putting all the scratches on the ferrule BUT on the other hand, I don't see how just knocking the cue over would produce all those cracks (again, I am NEW at this, haven't run into alot of problems so I can EASILY be wrong). I would think the ferrule, taking most of the punishment while playing pool, would NOT crack to pieces just by being dropped or kicked over. I know for a fact that Joel uses Ivorine for his joints, butt caps, and ferrules, oir at least that is what he states them to be and I have no reason to think otherwise. I can only find Ivorine-3 and Ivorine-4 on Atlas's website, not plain Ivorine. The only thing I have to replace the ferrule with is Juma or Titan, I don't have any Ivorine. If the ferrule has to be replaced, which will come close to the same hit as the original Ivorine ferrule out of the Juma or the Titan ??? Thanks in advance for any opinions, theories, hypothesis', facts, personal experiences, etc.... Just for info purposes, the cue is basically brand new only with him only having it about 3 or 4 weeks at the most and he is very maticulous(sp???) about the way he takes care of his cues. I "personally" did not hit with the cue after this happened but he said he can FEEL a difference in the hit, that's why he believes they are cracks. Opinions ????????

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Looks like a crack and scratches to me and the ferrule is slowly losing it's glue bond.
Pressfit ferrule I bet.
 
JoeyInCali said:
Looks like a crack and scratches to me and the ferrule is slowly losing it's glue bond.
Pressfit ferrule I bet.
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Thanks Joey. Only one of the lines looked like a crack to me but I questioned it because it doesn't go from top to bottom of the ferrule, the rest look like scratches to me. HOWEVER, I saw and shot with this cue last Tuesday and there wasn't a scratch on it.

What makes you believe the ferrule is losing it's glue bond ??? The gap/space between the ferrule and the shaft where the ferrule meets the shaft ?? Honestly, you can't see that until I took the pics in Macro mode with my camera. Maybe an "experienced" repair guy such as yourself could or would see that, but I MYSELF didn't notice that until I took the pics. That shows my lack of experience.
 
I couldn't find anything that looked like a crack, just a lot of different scratches, some of which are pretty deeper than others.
 
Not cracked. If you want to be sure, remove the tip and face the ferrule. If there are any cracks they'll show up there. If they're just scratches, the face will show nothing.
 
Also, Joel uses short ferrules, LESS than 1" long. Should I replace it with Juma or Titan to give him as close to the same hit as the Ivorine ???
 
Good news bud,those are just "normal" scratches,not cracks.

1200 and even 1000 will NOT take them out,however.

As far as finding Ivorine without a 3 or 4 in the name,good luck there,in fact I've never seen any.

Ivorine 3 was around for a LONG time,and sure someone still has some,but seems like the 4th version is all you can buy in rod form these days.

The Ivorine 4 is HARD to work on/cut,and most I've seen is quite ugly,with varying degrees of trash molded in.

As far as what is on the shaft in the picture,that looks like a material I see commonly on Asian cues. I can't tell for sure because it's not in my hands.

If it's the material I think it is,it generally doesn't polish well,and doesn't like being glued either.

In this case,Juma would be a fine choice.

I'd also consider changing it because with the glue line it shows where it meets the wood,there could also be a fairly pronounced lip,and if that's the case it can't feel good. Tommy D.
 
Paul and Sheldon...... They don't look like cracks to me either. I'm kinda stumped, like I said, I just held and shot with this cue about a week ago and not a scratch on it. The owner is VERY maticulous with his equipment, he would have come to me with the very first scratch he saw, but I also don't see how this could happen JUST by having the cue knocked over.

Sheldon, I just put that tip on there for him several weeks ago and they weren't there then. The tip is going to come off as he WANTS the ferrule replaced, I was just trying to get some "experienced" views.

Thanks to Joey, Paul and yourself for the help and suggestions.
 
Tommy-D said:
Good news bud,those are just "normal" scratches,not cracks.

1200 and even 1000 will NOT take them out,however.

As far as finding Ivorine without a 3 or 4 in the name,good luck there,in fact I've never seen any.

Ivorine 3 was around for a LONG time,and sure someone still has some,but seems like the 4th version is all you can buy in rod form these days.

The Ivorine 4 is HARD to work on/cut,and most I've seen is quite ugly,with varying degrees of trash molded in.

As far as what is on the shaft in the picture,that looks like a material I see commonly on Asian cues. I can't tell for sure because it's not in my hands.

If it's the material I think it is,it generally doesn't polish well,and doesn't like being glued either.

In this case,Juma would be a fine choice.

I'd also consider changing it because with the glue line it shows where it meets the wood,there could also be a fairly pronounced lip,and if that's the case it can't feel good. Tommy D.
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Thanks Tommy. I just figured I would try some 1000/1200 ast night after I got home from pool league and it didn't take them out. Again, my lack of experience shows when talking about the Ivorine, I didn't know if there was a "plain" ivorine or not, that is just what Joel "states" he uses so I am not sure if it is actually ivorine-3 or 4.
 
cuejo said:
Those defineay are not from falling over
Those look like scratches from a ultate tip tool.


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i was thinking from a TIP PIC
friend of mine used to scratch the hell out of his ferrule ,
just like that
but maybe the ultimate tip tool
am i seeing the same scratches on the tip too?
 

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Tip probably got knocked loose when it hit the floor. Might just take the tip off and put back on. The scratches will come out, just start with 220 and them move up to 320, 400 and then polish. Don't worry about making the ferrule smaller as it is more than 10 times harder than wood. To take one down fron 13mm to 12.9mm takes some effort.

I see them all the time as people think their ferrule is cracked and want anew one. They love it when I say it is just scratches and I save them $70.00 for ferrule and a new Moori.
 
BHQ said:
i was thinking from a TIP PIC
friend of mine used to scratch the hell out of his ferrule ,
just like that
but maybe the ultimate tip tool
am i seeing the same scratches on the tip too?
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I took the tip off like was suggested and the ferrule is definitely NOT cracked, but he still wanted it replaced so I cut the ferrule off, and again, it was definitely NOT cracked, just deep scratches.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO ALL AND EVERYONE WHO REPLIED AND POSTED REPLYS FOR ME.

EVERYONE of you guys hit it dead on the head, that's why I posted pics and wanted to ask before I just cut the ferrule off. After talking to him again today, SOMEONE ELSE had used a tip pic on that shaft last week and after him seeing my post (yes, he is a forum member) it hit him that it happened when the other person used a tip pic on it. He has even apologized and said how bad he feels for not realizing it.

All the replies speaks volumes about how knowledgable and actually damn good all you guys really are.


Alex...... I think you are exactly correct too, in that the tip got knocked loose when it fell over, because the tip "popped" off with not much effort, so easily, that I can't believe it hasn't popped off when he was playing with it. Although that doesn't say much about my tip installation ability,lol. :o

Thank you again guys for all the help and knowledgable replies.
 
Dirtbmw20 said:
I took the tip off like was suggested and the ferrule is definitely NOT cracked, but he still wanted it replaced so I cut the ferrule off, and again, it was definitely NOT cracked, just deep scratches.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO ALL AND EVERYONE WHO REPLIED AND POSTED REPLYS FOR ME.

EVERYONE of you guys hit it dead on the head, that's why I posted pics and wanted to ask before I just cut the ferrule off. After talking to him again today, SOMEONE ELSE had used a tip pic on that shaft last week and after him seeing my post (yes, he is a forum member) it hit him that it happened when the other person used a tip pic on it. He has even apologized and said how bad he feels for not realizing it.

All the replies speaks volumes about how knowledgable and actually damn good all you guys really are.


Alex...... I think you are exactly correct too, in that the tip got knocked loose when it fell over, because the tip "popped" off with not much effort, so easily, that I can't believe it hasn't popped off when he was playing with it. Although that doesn't say much about my tip installation ability,lol. :o

Thank you again guys for all the help and knowledgable replies.
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what do i win for being right for a change? :thumbup:

it's amazing how bad some guys can butcher/mess up/destroy thier cues in an effort to save $10
they usually learn the hard way
 
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Dirtbmw20 said:
I "personally" did not hit with the cue after this happened but he said he can FEEL a difference in the hit, that's why he believes they are cracks. Opinions ????????

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It looks like the tip is delaminating. This is probably more due to a tip pik or Ultimate Tip Tool than hitting the floor, though that certainly didn't help. I see scratches in line with what appears to be a gap in the tip layers.
Did you test it to try to pull the tip apart before cutting it off? Could've possibly saved a ferrule replacement, but with that glue gap/line, replacing it was probably a smart move.
Out of curiosity, was the ferrule threaded on or slip-fit?
 
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