CTE aiming.

That sounds very strong. :eek:

Are you claiming Gerda won the tournament because she was using CTE?

Would she agree with you concerning this statement?

I thought she was using DAM. :grin-square: :confused:

Regards,
Dave

Typo in italicized paragraph that reads "You won't find DAM is any books,"

If I am going to read your material, I expect better proofing from your editor and staff. :D

JoeyA
 
That sounds very strong. :eek:

Are you claiming Gerda won the tournament because she was using CTE?

Would she agree with you concerning this statement?

I thought she was using DAM. :grin-square: :confused:

Regards,
Dave

It certainly helped. Yes, she sought out stan to learn it.
 
Typo in italicized paragraph that reads "You won't find DAM is any books,"

If I am going to read your material, I expect better proofing from your editor and staff. :D

JoeyA
Thanks Joey. I fixed the error. I guess I was so excited to tell everybody how great DAM is, I typed too fast! :grin-square:

Regards,
Dave
 
So... when you put the cue tip 1 tip width to the right for a left cut and aim at the right edge of the OB, are you aiming with the center of the cue tip or the edge, before you pivot to center? I am trying to make this work.:D But the center of tip seems to not work for me so far...
 
So... when you put the cue tip 1 tip width to the right for a left cut and aim at the right edge of the OB, are you aiming with the center of the cue tip or the edge, before you pivot to center? I am trying to make this work.:D But the center of tip seems to not work for me so far...

Not an expert but I'm pretty sure you're sighting with the center of the tip to the edge of the object ball.
 
Thats what I am doing, and on some shots it works great. Other shots it is obvious before the stroke that it is way off. BUT... the ones that are off are usually perfect angle for opposite corner banks. Some kind of math going on there... About to watch video again and see if it clears anything up for me.
 
Thats what I am doing, and on some shots it works great. Other shots it is obvious before the stroke that it is way off. BUT... the ones that are off are usually perfect angle for opposite corner banks. Some kind of math going on there... About to watch video again and see if it clears anything up for me.
For the shots that don't work, you must change your bridge length, or change the effective pivot length with a subtle bridge-hand shift, or change your head position so you visualize the lines and pivot amount differently, or swoop the stroke. If you don't vary something, some shots will go and some won't.

BTW, I have some good illustrations of some of these effects in my November '08 and December '08 BD articles.

Regards,
Dave
 
I'm not flying to the US, especially when I would have to do a B2/3 visa application again just in order to enter due to the free visa waver right being revoked on my UK passport after failing to establish evidential ties on a previous flight over to the USA, so that's an just a complete impossibility. Personally after all the crap, I never want to set foot on US again my lifetime.

However, I really would like to learn, if someone was willing to engage in conversation about this.

I hear it is a lot easier if you fly to Mexico and climb the fence. ;) Good Luck!
 
I am going to check out all this info as I am now curious after reading this thread. Certainly it can't hurt because lately what ever way I am aiming I can't sink a ball to save my life!

On a side note, a buddy of mine sent me 2 PDF books from something called "the hot shot series" by Diamond Dave Thayler. The 2 books where on kicks and banks and explained some mathematical diamond system. After reading through both books twice and remembering how to do some basic math my kicks and banks have been 100x better then they used to be (it's sad i feel more confident now banking a shot rather then cutting or shooting a straight in shot) hopefully after reading up on this CTE and DAM I can actually start making shots other then banks...
 
I am going to check out all this info as I am now curious after reading this thread. Certainly it can't hurt because lately what ever way I am aiming I can't sink a ball to save my life!

On a side note, a buddy of mine sent me 2 PDF books from something called "the hot shot series" by Diamond Dave Thayler. The 2 books where on kicks and banks and explained some mathematical diamond system. After reading through both books twice and remembering how to do some basic math my kicks and banks have been 100x better then they used to be (it's sad i feel more confident now banking a shot rather then cutting or shooting a straight in shot) hopefully after reading up on this CTE and DAM I can actually start making shots other then banks...

WOW! $20 for an ebook. I'm not knocking the book just that I thought Ebooks were supposed to be a lot less expensive. Maybe I'm not keeping up with the prices...

JoeyA
 
WOW! $20 for an ebook. I'm not knocking the book just that I thought Ebooks were supposed to be a lot less expensive. Maybe I'm not keeping up with the prices...

JoeyA

Got me on the prices, a buddy of mine e-mailed them to me. According to the index in one of the books there is suppose to be 6 books in the set. I personally liked the 2 my buddy sent me just made it much easier for me to make bank shots or kick shots. If only he sent me the book on cut and straight shots! ....sigh... lol
 
Hal Houle explained this to me over the phone and will do so for most people. I'll see if I can find his number, I'm not sure if the one in my cell phone is still active. Hal may have moved.
 
I tried it some today. I made some balls and missed others. I find perfect execution of the lineup and pivot difficult, almost moreso than just hitting a bunch of balls.

For one thing, it's not clear if you're lining up your "1 tip" of left or right english using front hand english, back hand english, or if you're actually positioning the entire stick (front and back) a tip to the side.

For me, there's no way to use the last option, or to use front hand english. I do back hand english mostly. It feels unnatural and crooked to swing the cue after the pivot, like I'm ever-so-slightly diagonal.

Anyone with experience with the system wanna lend a clue?
 
I just watched the video twice and read everything in the given link about this. It sounds very easy and simple (I stress the word sounds!) I want to get to the pool hall and try this out interested to see what happens for me when trying this. I'd love to talk to Hal Houle and get it explained from him.

There are a few questions or concerns I have before even trying this. Like above poster said how are you lining up your cue to the outside edge of the OB? Is your bridge hand (pivot point) aligned with 1 tip on the CB to the edge of the OB then pivoted into center of the CB? What about if I need to use english on a shot, I'm assuming then CTE would not work in that situation? Does Draw or Follow throw this system off any?

I'm going to try and see if I can work on this tomorrow and report back any results I find trying this.
 
doubt

(it's sad i feel more confident now banking a shot rather then cutting or shooting a straight in shot)

Trying pretending you just learned this awesome new system and you've never seen the shot more clearly. You just need confidence in your approach, not necessarily a new approach. If learning something new is the easiest way to get to that point, read up by all means.

I think you could acheive the same success using a striped ball as a "ghost ball" for practicing around for a half hour and get the same thing out of it, provided you believed it is helping you. No system can overcome doubt. Your mind will invent new ways to miss a shot if you don't believve what you are doing is about to work.
 
For the shots that don't work, you must change your bridge length, or change the effective pivot length with a subtle bridge-hand shift, or change your head position so you visualize the lines and pivot amount differently, or swoop the stroke. If you don't vary something, some shots will go and some won't.

BTW, I have some good illustrations of some of these effects in my November '08 and December '08 BD articles.

Regards,
Dave

Is that your story and are you really sticking to it. That's funny stuff.
 
I'm in the Dr. Dave, Mike Page, Pat Johnson, Colin camp of skeptics.

I don't quite understand this system. Largely because it is incomplete in explaining how it really works.

As such, I think it's more of an estimation/visualization system - not an aiming system. An aiming system is one where there are concrete procedures that are well defined that produce repeatable results. That's absent from CTE. The critical mechanism of how the cue gets on line via "aiming system" is yet to be publicly defined.


That could be for a number of reasons.

1. Such an explanation simply does not exist because at that detailed level, the "system" isn't really a system or complete aiming system. It's something less. From an estimation system to possibly total hype.

2. It's a trade secret whose working details are not published because the system is sold as part of an instructional package.

3. It is actually a system and does work, but whose workings has not been fully defined yet, not even by it's founders/proponents.


I have serious doubts about possibility #3 because there are a lot of bright people who have been working on things like these for a long time. It stands to reason that these scientists and engineers would get to the bottom of the magic behind the system. Hasn't happened. Still, there was a time when a lot of what we know about the mechanics of pool were unknown or at least undefined in a scientific way.

Possibility #2 I find to be unlikely also, because few things stay secret in our world and this is even more of a factor in the Internet age. Only way this can work is if the students of those who know this system swear to secrecy and maintain it.

Possibility #1 is the most likely. I reason this because at the end of the day - there ABSOLUTELY MUST be geometric/mechanical explanation for how this system works. There must be a physical answer that can be quantified in terms of angles, degrees of movement or motion. The same way squirt, swerve and all of that have been diagrammed and explained completely, so too should CTE be explained.

Things just don't happen magically. After parsing through dozens and dozens of pages of various past CTE threads, when I filter out the gibberish and excessive verbiage what I find is that the proponents of CTE have nothing more than an arbitrary subjective type of answer that is no answer at all. They refer to pivoting and have no real answer as to how the adjustment is actually made.

Also, some keep throwing around this logical fallacy argument of "so and so pro uses it" ...who cares? I'm sure there are even more and greater champions that don't use it.


Just like Dr. Dave said, because nothing concrete or complete has been published, I have to remain a skeptic. I must always leave the door open to the possibility that it does work and that there is something to it and that it's a matter of me not knowing it. I accept the possibility. That's about it.

Unfortunately, I don't act on the basis of faith. At least not in the matter of pool & billiards.



If something concrete and definitive could be stated about CTE, then it could be put to the test. It could be tested in theory, such as modeled by diagram, computer or mathematics. Or it could be tested in reality by a pool playing robot. One of those stroke machines. That would eliminate the possibility of BIAS because humans have intuition and like it or not, humans will always make some kind of adjustments. Whether they do it consciously or subconsciously. The idea behind a system is not having to rely on intuition or "feel" ...but to have a definitive, complete procedural way that guarantees a predictable result.





:)
 
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