I think you misinterpret things , people are just trying to help.
CTE automatically corrects stroke issues
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Tor's students prove you do not need a fancy aiming system to have a quantum leap in your game .
An aiming system that has taken two dvd's and 440-page book is fancy to me .
And you are certainly welcome to post students having quantum leaps in their games after discovering CTE.
Great .
Nick Varner definitely is missing more balls now because of his stroke .
He has the shakes .
If Efren is not missing more balls because of his stroke now , he'd still compete against the young guns .
After all, his aiming system is THE SAME . It hasn't changed .
What has changed ? He is not a steady anymore .
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Without reading all that was written, I don't get how an aiming system may help to "straighten" the stroke when there are stroke issues. Either you have a straight stroke (one consistent line beginning with the backswing all the way to the follow through). For me, only then it makes sense to take a look at an aiming system and the, those systems only make theoretical sense when hitting center ball. If you have a bad stroke or use outside english, then there's deflection, swerve and throw that additionally come into play, making any aiming system practically useless. How comes that not even one top20 pro player endorses such systems? For them it's experience and feeling the shot. Maybe some of them use some fractions of a system, but then it's definitely just fur hitting the CB dead on straight. They just compensate for deflection, swerve and throw based on their experience.
It's an infomercial. The title is just a bunch of sales malarkey.
Assuming that the information given is correct in the highly edited videos they do show some good improvement in a short amount of time.
Please stop using hyperbole when you go out of your way to nitpick it elsewhere. These folks are not showing "quantum leaps" they are showing clear improvement but not going from a 500 to a 700 in three days or even in two weeks.
And from the videos I watched so far aiming was not discussed.
This forum is about aiming Joey. Not pattern play. Tor and his brother are trained filmmakers. They can and do produce videos created and edited for the maximum effect to sell their products. Not saying that the material is not effective or that Tor doesn't get good results. Just saying that what he is doing has zero to do with the topic of CTE aiming.
Stan is an instructor who can teach students just as well as Tor does and understands everything that Tor or any other similar instructor does about pattern play.
Your obsession with knocking Stan and CTE is kind of nutty. If you want to promote him then go elsewhere. You have a new flavor of instructor each week that you throw up here claiming that people don't need aiming instruction.
This is about aiming. That's it. This is not the general fundamentals forum, not the pattern play forum, not the position play forum, not the stroke mechanics forum, not the which instructor is "best" forum. This is the aiming forum.
Talk about aiming or go away. We are all clear that you have told us that you were addicted to aiming systems and have self-described yourself as an aiming system junkie who felt cheated by someone who put out a system that you paid for and claim you didn't get benefit from.
I guess that was a truly traumatic experience for you and it seems like you have decided to go on "mission" to save the world from experiencing what you say you went through.
But you aren't targeting anyone but Stan and aren't criticizing any other aiming system during this crusade. So that makes me question your sincerity and ethics.
We have already established that you have no problem publicly calling Stan and others liars after their public statements of using CTE. It certainly seems like you have a vendetta and don't mind defaming others in pursuit of that.
Here is something you don't understand. If Tor, or any similarly trained video producer/editor were working with Stan then the content put out by Stan would look just as convincing to the viewers as Tor's content does to you now.
You would literally go nuts if you are as traumatized by your self-proclaimed $25 "loss" when you invested in the Mullen Method if that level of production were being used to promote CTE.
And, just to clue you in a little bit, that level is exactly what I am about to invest in on behalf of promoting CTE. So, thank you for bringing Tor's videos back into my mind. One can learn a lot from an expert's example.
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The idea is that if you are able to get to an exact center that you know is dead on correct then your stroke is likely to be straighter because your mind is highly focused on the cue ball target.
I think that this is a concept worth exploring.
As for player endorsements, a two time mosconi cup champion endorses CTE. Others have stated that they use various methods of objective aiming that give them consistency.
Certainly on the face of it a statement like xyz aiming system straightens the stroke is going to be met with rejection by most who are not willing to go to the person who said it and ask what the reasoning is behind the statement. Especially for those who are already not in board with the idea that aiming systems are of any use.
Yawn.
Let's say someone started claiming equal opposite parts is an easy to learn system.
Wait for the dvd . Then .....
Then one shill will claim it straightens your stroke .
Ya think people won't be all over that one ?
SEES system quit . You think peeps weren't all over that one ?
Look at the thread title . Then peeps started arguing over stroke vs aiming system on this thread .
Well, I brought up Tor's real-life lessons and videos .
Once the students' strokes were somewhat fixed , they had no need for aiming systems .
And why do you go nasty over CTE ?
YOU DON'T OWN IT . Hal was not your uncle .
You can't thank me and attack me at the same time . Just thank me .
You're welcome .
Sure, physical debilitation is also a reason for missing.
On the other hand there are those who have been helped to overcome a physical deterioration by adopting an objective aiming system.
I think it's a worthy topic to discuss the intersection between physical ability and aiming techniques in terms of what helps and what doesn't.
Dude, your OBJECTIVE aiming system is not any more accurate or better than looking at the contact point and hitting that contact point using your mind's eye and experience .
In fact Tyler and Landon can be seen in videos looking at the contact point .
CTE does not involve contact points . Point to me in the two dvd's where it talks about aiming at the contact point .
If Varner took CTE lessons now, he's still NEVER going to shoot near his 1980's and 90's form.
Attack you? I just repeated your own claims about yourself.
You pointed out some very well made videos and I can certainly thank you for that.
Well made videos edited in compelling ways are great tools for promotion.
No shill is claiming that cte straightens the stroke, the premier teacher of the cte method and author of a comprehensive book on CTE is the one claiming it. I have posted his reasoning here since I simply asked him directly.
Hal gifted me the introduction to objective aiming and asked me to pay it forward. The same way Tor asks his students to pay it forward.
So that's what I am doing.
You have zero idea how the players in Tor's videos are aiming. Cte usage and what Tor teaches is not incompatible. A player can benefit from both.
Really ? They look at the shot and line it up and shoot it .
Dude, if you sum all the parts , aiming is the least of their problems .
CTE does not straighten the stroke . If it did, you wouldn't be asking Stan and you would have no tip-skewing problems with your stroke that still happen quite often . Even after you make a ball .
Unless you know for a fact that they are looking at contact points you are simply guessing. And even if they do so what? A person can look at whatever they want and use as many references as the feel like.
You are calling people liars based on your self-described bias driving your your assumptions.
You are literally claiming that Landon Shuffett publicly lied about using the method that he learned alongside his father. All because you saw him look at a ball in a way that you assume is looking at the contact point.
What Nick Varner is and is not capable of now and why isn't material to this discussion. If Nick Varner did choose to learn and use CTE then we know one thing to be very likely though. And that is that you would call him a liar if he dared to publicly admit to using CTE.
AGAIN, POINT TO ME WHERE IN THE TWO DVD'S can I find aiming at the contact point .
You are calling them liars . I didn't .
Last time you said, they can still use other tools . Which one is it ?
Last ball on the table and no scratch line , tell me why any player would walk up to the ball and bend over and line it to the pocket .
Dude, quit your game.
Wouldn't be asking Stan what?
I asked him why he said it and posted the answer.
As for me personally, I am stroking much straighter after leaning how to step the cue all and after getting a lesson from Hunter Lombardo that fixed my posture.
So I can say that for me personally cte usage as I currently use it has helped me stroke straighter.
What are you talking about? I never said that contact point aiming is a part of Stan's DVDs. I said that any player can use whatever methods they want to. They can use CTE AND also look at at contact point or use equal opposites or whatever. Didn't mean you get to call them liars when they have publicly stated that they use CTE.
Since you're so convinced and willing to call them liars why not stalk then on Facebook and demand that they address your accusations. I can't read Tyler's mind and pluck out the answer for you.
However you claiming that they don't use cte just because you saw them look at something during a televised match is about as flimsy as it gets.
Pursuing your vendetta by knocking me in this forum isn't going to get you the answers you want. Go publicly challenge Tyler and Landon and then you can come here and post their answers.
I disagree. An objective aiming system that connects clear edges and uses multiple lines for alignment will result in the shooter getting to the correct shot line more often than pure feel and looking at an invisible contact point.
You are more than welcome to bet up to 50,000 dollars with me and we can go to the University of Oklahoma and find someone there to design an experiment to test this.
I already know the answer based on my own testing but I am confident that a formal experiment would produce results that back up my opinion on this.
Again, YOU CALLED THEM LIARS. I didn't .
Then you also said I'm too childish to call them outright liars .
Quit goading me to call them liars so you can go running to them .
CTE does not involve contact points .
I see a player walk up to the money ball or a ball that needs backwards cut to the side pocket and he bends over and checks the contact point , I assume he's not using CTE on that shot .
Then you call them liars.
Well, in that case, equal opposite parts is the king .
Geometrically correct and cannot be proven to be wrong .
And the easiest one to "gear".
Invisible contact point?
The pros using it must have some special lens or something .
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Why would you just assume they weren’t still using CTE?