CTE/ PRO ONE with Stan Shuffett

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Fantastic friday!

Patrick Johnson said:
This is a really clueless, biased and unfair criticism of Dr. Dave.

99% of the links he posts are to FREE information that he has spent years developing, researching, writing, organizing, updating and maintaining so that everybody can have FREE access to the greatest library of FREE pool information in the world, including all of his many published articles and many, many excellent instructional videos that he has spent his own time and money creating. He has one thing for sale there (VEPS), and most of that is also available FREE on his website.

Dave is BY FAR the most prolific, authoritative AND GENEROUS source of FREE, OPEN AND UNDISPUTEDLY ACCURATE pool information anywhere. When it comes to unselfish and valuable contributions of hardcore knowledge that everybody in pool can use, Dave is the unchallenged MAN, and neither Stan Shuffet nor Geno Admachino with their (by comparison) paltry and expensive offerings are worthy to hold his jockstrap.

In fact, it's shameful of Gene, the most egregious commercial spammer of AzB who almost never makes a post that isn't a direct promotion of his for-sale product, to chime in here trying to take commercial advantage of your misplaced criticism of Dr. Dave.

You owe Dave an apology for your clueless criticism, and should beg him on your knees to post even more links to his FREE, valuable and on-topic information.

pj
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Now you owe Gene an apology. Gene is one of our most accomplished players and HE HAS PROVIDED LOTS OF GREAT INFORMATION that can help your pool game FREE OF CHARGE, and ON THIS FORUM. Yes, he sells a video called PERFECT AIM but again this thread isn't about GENE OR DR. DAVE.

If you like the advertisement links that Dr. Dave uses, go start your own thread about Dr. Dave and put those "free links" of pool information which drive traffic to his web site where those people who wish to purchase his VEPS series of pool shots.

You don't seem to mind if Dr. Dave spams the forum until other people begin to complain but if someone else is trying to sell a product you just get all sick inside. :grin: :grin::grin:

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with Dr. Dave advertising his very useful information in the form of links. It's a great marketing idea.

I think you should start a thread marked Dr. Dave's most useful FREE LINKS on pool information. There...........now, I've done your job for you and Dr. Dave now has a thread of his own where he can post links to his heart's content.

Today, against all odds, I am going to try and win a FREE, handicapped one pocket tournament at Buffalo Billiards in Metairie, LA. I will have to beg the owner to give me a good handicap so it will look good on the resume of CTE/Pro One. :killingme: :rotflmao1::winknudge:

Yes, I do use CTE/Pro One for banking. One of the "secrets" of banking with CTE/Pro One, lies in the pivoting. Yes, the pivoting. If it were not for the pivoting, I would not have as much success banking some of the more difficult shots as I do now. Now all of the better players, go out there today and this weekend and try pivoting and bring us back a report next week.

The lesser players should not report back because they will be accused of making outlandish, delusional statements about CTE and pivoting. :grin-square::grin-square::grin-square:

(Don't forget to apologize to Gene Albrecht, one of the best players on AZ Billiards) who doesn't mind giving you FREE POOL INFORMATION.
 
Dead Crab said:
It is interesting that many of the biggest cheerleaders for CTE were singing the praises of "Perfect Aim" not too long ago.

Based on the product claims and gushing reviews, it seems odd that the practitioners of either method would have any use for the other.
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Perfect Aim works well with Cte/ Pro One as it does with all other systems. I say this having taken lessons from both instructors.

Best,
Mike
 
Mikjary said:
Perfect Aim works well with Cte/ Pro One as it does with all other systems. I say this having taken lessons from both instructors.

Best,
Mike
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So in essence, neither is complete and realistic expectations should be pegged significantly below the stated claims.

Not that this is horrible. Even Oxy-Clean falls short of Mr. May's impassioned testimony. But it isn't $45 or $80 a tub plus phone calls and upgrade disc.
 
Dead Crab said:
So in essence, neither is complete and realistic expectations should be pegged significantly below the stated claims.

Not that this is horrible. Even Oxy-Clean falls short of Mr. May's impassioned testimony. But it isn't $45 or $80 a tub plus phone calls and upgrade disc.
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I'm sorry. I didn't realize you weren't looking for an answer to your question. You already had one. I'll note that and reserve my help for other posters in the future.

Best,
Mike
 
Patrick Johnson said:
eezbank said:
Always the same bit. dr_dave is disappointed that the information isn't just given away. He invades the thread with link after link to promote his product then has the nerve to say "This thread has provided lots of advertising and marketing, but very little useful information, discussion, or insight".?? LOL
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This is a really clueless, biased and unfair criticism of Dr. Dave.

99% of the links he posts are to FREE information that he has spent years developing, researching, writing, organizing, updating and maintaining so that everybody can have FREE access to the greatest library of FREE pool information in the world, including all of his many published articles and many, many excellent instructional videos that he has spent his own time and money creating. He has one thing for sale there (VEPS), and most of that is also available FREE on his website.

Dave is BY FAR the most prolific, authoritative AND GENEROUS source of FREE, OPEN AND UNDISPUTEDLY ACCURATE pool information anywhere. When it comes to unselfish and valuable contributions of hardcore knowledge that everybody in pool can use, Dave is the unchallenged MAN...

You owe Dave an apology for your clueless criticism, and should beg him on your knees to post even more links to his FREE, valuable and on-topic information.
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PJ,

Thank you for the support; although, I doubt anybody in the "angry CTE mob" has any appreciation for the information resources on my website. Based on the marketing claims, CTE apparently solves every problem that exists at a pool table. Based on the claims, it seems to be some sort of ultimate grand unification pool theory. CTE automatically compensates for CIT, regardless of shot speed or the amount of top or bottom spin. In fact, the complexity of CIT is apparently the main reason why CTE works over a wide range of shots. Also, CTE not only provides the correct line of aim for every cut shot (regardless of CB-OB distance, cut angle, and bridge length), but it also provides the correct line of aim for every combo, carom, and bank shot possible at the table. And you don't need to adjust your "effective pivot length" (consciously or subconsciously) for any shot.

Based on the many claims we have heard about CTE, I can see why CTE users have no need for any of the information on my site, because CTE apparently eliminates the need for any understanding or intuition at the table. Just align and pivot, and everything goes in the hole.

I can't wait for the DVD. If it offers even 10% of what some people claim it offers, then it is well worth the money. And if it even comes close to providing a grand unification pool theory, I will be its biggest champion ... even bigger than Joey.

I know this post will be considered as "exaggerated," "derisive," and/or "divisive" by the "angry CTE mob," but I honestly think they deserve it after all of these years of unsubstantiated claims and hype. I just hope we will at least finally have a definitive answer for "what CTE is" after the release of the DVD.

Regards,
Dave
 
JoeyA said:
Now you owe Gene an apology. Gene is one of our most accomplished players and HE HAS PROVIDED LOTS OF GREAT INFORMATION that can help your pool game FREE OF CHARGE, and ON THIS FORUM. Yes, he sells a video called PERFECT AIM but again this thread isn't about GENE OR DR. DAVE.

If you like the advertisement links that Dr. Dave uses, go start your own thread about Dr. Dave and put those "free links" of pool information which drive traffic to his web site where those people who wish to purchase his VEPS series of pool shots.

You don't seem to mind if Dr. Dave spams the forum until other people begin to complain but if someone else is trying to sell a product you just get all sick inside. :grin: :grin::grin:

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with Dr. Dave advertising his very useful information in the form of links. It's a great marketing idea.

I think you should start a thread marked Dr. Dave's most useful FREE LINKS on pool information. There...........now, I've done your job for you and Dr. Dave now has a thread of his own where he can post links to his heart's content.

Today, against all odds, I am going to try and win a FREE, handicapped one pocket tournament at Buffalo Billiards in Metairie, LA. I will have to beg the owner to give me a good handicap so it will look good on the resume of CTE/Pro One. :killingme: :rotflmao1::winknudge:

Yes, I do use CTE/Pro One for banking. One of the "secrets" of banking with CTE/Pro One, lies in the pivoting. Yes, the pivoting. If it were not for the pivoting, I would not have as much success banking some of the more difficult shots as I do now. Now all of the better players, go out there today and this weekend and try pivoting and bring us back a report next week.

The lesser players should not report back because they will be accused of making outlandish, delusional statements about CTE and pivoting. :grin-square::grin-square::grin-square:

(Don't forget to apologize to Gene Albrecht, one of the best players on AZ Billiards) who doesn't mind giving you FREE POOL INFORMATION.
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Joey, now you know that thread about Dr. Dave will only get about 15 posts in it. That would be a very bad place for him to advertise. Now 60 to 80 pages on every CTE thread, that is the perfect place to post links irrelevant to the topic. It is sad DR. Dave that you stoop to this level, but truth be told who could blame you.
P.S. It was not my intention to poop on anyone in this post, so if you got hit I apologize.lol
 
dr_dave said:
I can't wait for the DVD. If it offers even 10% of what some people claim it offers, then it is well worth the money. And if it even comes close to providing a grand unification pool theory, I will be its biggest champion ... even bigger than Joey.

I know this post will be considered as "exaggerated," "derisive," and/or "divisive" by the "angry CTE mob," but I honestly think they deserve it after all of these years of unsubstantiated claims and hype. I just hope we will at least finally have a definitive answer for "what CTE is" after the release of the DVD.

Regards,
Dave
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"angry CTE mob". The reality is we are all just laughing at you. CTE is so easy yet you claim to have talked to Hal, Stan, Spidey, Randyg and you have no clue. A 5 minute call to Hal and I knew there was something to it. Stan and Spidey refined it and it is a great tool to have.
The reality is you should stop posting words you will have to eat. 10% is very low, you should edit that to 80%.
 
JoeyA said:
If you like the advertisement links that Dr. Dave uses, go start your own thread about Dr. Dave and put those "free links" of pool information which drive traffic to his web site where those people who wish to purchase his VEPS series of pool shots.
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Joey,

I know you are mad at me right now, but do you really think the information resources on my website are just a form of "advertising?" :confused:

I have worked really hard developing, assembling, and posting these resources over many, many years. In fact, most of it was created before Tom and I even dreamed of creating VEPS!

Most of the links I provide are from the FAQ section of my website. When somebody has a question about something, and I think my site has explanations, illustrations, and videos that answer the question, I provide a link to the answers. What's wrong with that? In fact, I bet most people appreciate it.

Here are some examples of links I provide most frequently (because these questions seem to come up a lot):

I know you don't like it when I offer links in my posts, but I thought specific examples were important here to better understand why you have such strong objections.

Do you really think the resources (from me and others) provided at these links are unhelpful and just an attempt to "advertise?" :confused:

Sincerely,
Dave
 
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dr_dave said:
Joey,

I know you are mad at me right now, but do you really think the information resources on my website are just a form of "advertising?" :confused:

I have worked really hard developing, assembling, and posting these resources over many, many years. In fact, most of it was created before Tom and I even dreamed of creating VEPS!

Most of the links I provide are from the FAQ section of my website. When somebody has a question about something, and I think my site has explanations, illustrations, and videos that answer the question, I provide a link to the answers. What's wrong with that? In fact, I bet most people appreciate it.

Here are some examples of links I provide most frequently (because these questions seem to come up a lot):

I know you don't like it when I offer links in my posts, but I thought specific examples were important here to better understand why you have such strong objections.

Do you really think the resources (from me and others) provided at these links are unhelpful and just an attempt to "advertise?" :confused:

Sincerely,
Dave
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You need a sticky.
 
dr.dave,
What you offer for free is more than the average pool player can digest and perhaps all that is needed to know for most.

I now know why I can run racks of 9 ball, or not, without knowing why for 45 years.

I never got a lesson back in the day and am self taught...no one would "feed the fish" then - you do now...and too late for me.

As an old pool bum RIP, Sterling Buttermilk said to me, "You are unluky to be bad at pool, but lucky to know it and got a job/career."

Thanks
 
dr_dave said:
Joey,

I know you are mad at me right now, but do you really think the information resources on my website are just a form of "advertising?" :confused:

I have worked really hard developing, assembling, and posting these resources over many, many years. In fact, most of it was created before Tom and I even dreamed of creating VEPS!

Most of the links I provide are from the FAQ section of my website. When somebody has a question about something, and I think my site has explanations, illustrations, and videos that answer the question, I provide a link to the answers. What's wrong with that? In fact, I bet most people appreciate it.

Here are some examples of links I provide most frequently (because these questions seem to come up a lot):

I know you don't like it when I offer links in my posts, but I thought specific examples were important here to better understand why you have such strong objections.

Do you really think the resources (from me and others) provided at these links are unhelpful and just an attempt to "advertise?" :confused:

Sincerely,
Dave
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Dave, this is just MY opinion, and should not be confused with what anyone else might or might not think about the subject.

In my opinion, your work and your links are a valuable part of what this forum is supposed to be. And, I really appreciate them, and have linked to them myself in the past.

Now, with that being said..... you are feeling a bit of a sting right now in this thread. Quite frankly, you have deserved it. Now you know how Stan and Spidey feel! They try and help others, and get flamed for it. Just as you now are experiencing "the shoe on the other foot". But, you brought it on yourself with all your jabs at CTE. IMO, you handled the whole thing wrong. You could have just said that you don't fully understand it yet, and left it at that. Instead, you have chosen to mock it many times. When you do that, don't be too surprised when your stuff then starts getting mocked.
 
JoeyA:
You don't seem to mind if Dr. Dave spams the forum until other people begin to complain but if someone else is trying to sell a product you just get all sick inside.
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Joey, any one of Dave's "spamming" posts - hell, any one of the links in any one of his post - contains more valuable information that's relevant to the topic being discussed than all of your informationless, product-worshipping, self-congratulatory posts put together. The last few threads you've started have been nothing but spam for your latest product "client", CTE. As you frequently do, you're accusing Dave of what you yourself are most guilty.

pj
chgo
 
Neil:
...you brought it on yourself with all your jabs at CTE.
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This is the truth of the matter - Dave is being attacked by the CTE mob because he hasn't drunk the CTE Kool-Ade. He's a voice of unwelcome reason among all the content-free hymn-singing here in the Church of CTE. Stan (may his DVD outsell all others) forbid that any secular questions be raised against The Word by the heathen unbelievers. They shall be cast out and stoned by the faithful.

(Uh oh, now I've offended Joey's delicate religious sensibilities again. I'm gonna get the BIG FONT TREATMENT for sure.)

pj
chgo
 
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Patrick Johnson said:
This is the truth of the matter - Dave is being attacked by the CTE mob because he hasn't drunk the CTE Kool-Ade. He's a voice of unwelcome reason among all the content-free hymn-singing here in the Church of CTE. Stan (may his DVD outsell all others) forbid that any secular questions be raised against The Word by the heathen unbelievers. They shall be cast out and stoned by the faithful.

(Uh oh, now I've offended Joey's delicate religious sensibilities again. I'm gonna get the BIG FONT TREATMENT for sure.)

pj
chgo
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ACtually, Dave has said he has drank the Cool-Aide (well he admits to sipping a little) and he is even worried that you naysayers are mad at him for drinking it.

That's why he keeps see-sawing back and forth to placate the troupe of naysayers.
 
dr_dave said:
Joey,

I know you are mad at me right now, but do you really think the information resources on my website are just a form of "advertising?" :confused:

Sincerely,
Dave
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No, I'm not mad at you Dave. I'm disappointed.:(
 
Neil said:
dr_dave said:
Joey,

I know you are mad at me right now, but do you really think the information resources on my website are just a form of "advertising?" :confused:

I have worked really hard developing, assembling, and posting these resources over many, many years. In fact, most of it was created before Tom and I even dreamed of creating VEPS!

Most of the links I provide are from the FAQ section of my website. When somebody has a question about something, and I think my site has explanations, illustrations, and videos that answer the question, I provide a link to the answers. What's wrong with that? In fact, I bet most people appreciate it.

Here are some examples of links I provide most frequently (because these questions seem to come up a lot):

I know you don't like it when I offer links in my posts, but I thought specific examples were important here to better understand why you have such strong objections.

Do you really think the resources (from me and others) provided at these links are unhelpful and just an attempt to "advertise?" :confused:
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Dave, this is just MY opinion, and should not be confused with what anyone else might or might not think about the subject.

In my opinion, your work and your links are a valuable part of what this forum is supposed to be. And, I really appreciate them, and have linked to them myself in the past.
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Thank you Neil. I know you appreciate my stuff, and I don't put you in the "CTE angry mob" category. You seem like a very reasonable, insightful, and logical person.

Neil said:
Now, with that being said..... you are feeling a bit of a sting right now in this thread. Quite frankly, you have deserved it. Now you know how Stan and Spidey feel! They try and help others, and get flamed for it. Just as you now are experiencing "the shoe on the other foot". But, you brought it on yourself with all your jabs at CTE. IMO, you handled the whole thing wrong. You could have just said that you don't fully understand it yet, and left it at that. Instead, you have chosen to mock it many times. When you do that, don't be too surprised when your stuff then starts getting mocked.
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Neil,

Your point is well taken. I have mocked CTE's claims at times. I've also worked hard to understand its benefits. (I won't provide the link again ... people know where to find it.) Honestly, it is extremely difficult to resist the urge to mock CTE after all of the sometimes-ridiculous claims and hype we've heard over these many, many years. But I'll try to be a "good boy."

I do look forward to meaningful discussion after the DVD comes out, because then there will be a definitive resource.

Regards,
Dave
 
Neil said:
Dave, this is just MY opinion, and should not be confused with what anyone else might or might not think about the subject.

In my opinion, your work and your links are a valuable part of what this forum is supposed to be. And, I really appreciate them, and have linked to them myself in the past.

Now, with that being said..... you are feeling a bit of a sting right now in this thread. Quite frankly, you have deserved it. Now you know how Stan and Spidey feel! They try and help others, and get flamed for it. Just as you now are experiencing "the shoe on the other foot". But, you brought it on yourself with all your jabs at CTE. IMO, you handled the whole thing wrong. You could have just said that you don't fully understand it yet, and left it at that. Instead, you have chosen to mock it many times. When you do that, don't be too surprised when your stuff then starts getting mocked.
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I have been one of Dr. Dave's biggest supporters but he is losing me by the post. I agree with your posts.
 
JoeyA said:
No, I'm not mad at you Dave. I'm disappointed.:(
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Believe me ... the feeling is mutual.

Very disappointed in CTE-Joey lately, :frown:
Dave

PS: I really liked the pre-CTE Joey a lot, but now you seem like a different person.
 
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Mikjary said:
I'm sorry. I didn't realize you weren't looking for an answer to your question. You already had one. I'll note that and reserve my help for other posters in the future.

Best,
Mike
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Please keep in mind that this is an open forum and there may be opinions other than your own that could also contribute to the discussion. As much as your input is valued, it does not necessarily define an irrefutable truth on this topic, and I was not really looking for a "single" answer. While a quoted reply gives the impression of a one-on-one dialogue, they are really just branch points for general input.

Thank you for your answer, though, and have a good day.
 
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