Cue Prices... Rediiculous!!!

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How can cue makers justify how much they sell a cue for? It amazes me that people will spend more than 300 for a sp and over 1000 for a plain jane. Never mind a regular 4 point cue starting at 1500. What??? Do you all have money to burn???

Ok so the equipment is expensive... But for what they make on 3 cues pays for at least the lathe maybe even the pantograph. the wood is not that expensive. Blanks range in price from 6 bucks to over 100 (but that is for the highly figured really rare stuff). Yes time is money but with todays equipment how much time does a cuemaker spend cutting points and doing inlays? I would figure that they cannot account for time spent with the cue hanging from the ceiling.

And comes the final argument... Do you pay for the paint and the canvas that the artist uses on a painting or do you pay for the talent that the artist has? I agree with that concept but not everyone is Da Vinci. I can undersand the rarity of a Southwest, G. Szamboti or a Balibushka because those people could not make a cue ever again. But to have some of the relativily unknown charge 1200 bucks for a cue is outragous.

Its not that I could not purchase one of these cues. I just cannot justify in my head why I would pay so much for one. I guess I look @ purchases as being one of "How much did it cost to make?" and "Do I feel as though what I bought was worth the money?". Maybe I am looking at it all wrong.
I think in todays market the idea of "If people are willing to pay that much for it I am willing to charge for it" has gotten out of hand.

This post reminds me of another one I did around 7 years ago about pool tables.. Looks like I might be coming out with a new website... "My Quest to build a high end pool cue!"

JV <----- Tired of looking @ cues that his single family obligations will not let him afford.
 
from what i understand it takes years to become proficient at making cues that look good and play good. i think some of it is the name but i try to mostly pay for playability. i have a couple of expensive cues but if it plays well how can i really say i paid too much. you can't take it with ya (cash that is) maybe you should post this in the cuemakers section you'd probably get better responces and explinations
 
Other than the lathe these guys have a mortgage, car payments, clothing and food expenses as well as other things.

Quality, attention to detail, style and not to mention heart and soul are some of the things that can bring bigger asking prices on cues.

Name recognition is big too we pay what we pay because we want to and the market bears it.

Whats a autograph of Micheal Jordon worth isn't he just another guy who can shoot a leather ball?
 
Johnny "V" said:
How can cue makers justify how much they sell a cue for? It amazes me that people will spend more than 300 for a sp and over 1000 for a plain jane. Never mind a regular 4 point cue starting at 1500. What??? Do you all have money to burn???

Ok so the equipment is expensive... But for what they make on 3 cues pays for at least the lathe maybe even the pantograph. the wood is not that expensive. Blanks range in price from 6 bucks to over 100 (but that is for the highly figured really rare stuff). Yes time is money but with todays equipment how much time does a cuemaker spend cutting points and doing inlays? I would figure that they cannot account for time spent with the cue hanging from the ceiling.

And comes the final argument... Do you pay for the paint and the canvas that the artist uses on a painting or do you pay for the talent that the artist has? I agree with that concept but not everyone is Da Vinci. I can undersand the rarity of a Southwest, G. Szamboti or a Balibushka because those people could not make a cue ever again. But to have some of the relativily unknown charge 1200 bucks for a cue is outragous.

Its not that I could not purchase one of these cues. I just cannot justify in my head why I would pay so much for one. I guess I look @ purchases as being one of "How much did it cost to make?" and "Do I feel as though what I bought was worth the money?". Maybe I am looking at it all wrong.
I think in todays market the idea of "If people are willing to pay that much for it I am willing to charge for it" has gotten out of hand.

This post reminds me of another one I did around 7 years ago about pool tables.. Looks like I might be coming out with a new website... "My Quest to build a high end pool cue!"

JV <----- Tired of looking @ cues that his single family obligations will not let him afford.
If you want to pursue your quest to build a high end cue, I sell cue building equipment and instructions. Also if you want a cue for a little less than your above examples I can help you there also. You will get a lot more than a plain jane for $1000 with me.
Chris
www.hightowercues.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com
 
This isnt simply a markup situation.....the average CUSTOMcue maker makes roughly 100-125 cues a year if he is lucky. If he didnt sell a cue for over $1000, he would generate roughly $87,000(125x700) in gross sales. Materials im guessing would equal out to $25,000(125x200). Oh yeah, what if he wants to work in an actual workshop and not his garage. Tack on atleast $1200 for rent or 14,400. I live in california and you are freaking dreaming to find a office space for under $1600. Now lets throw in additional overhead for bad wood, repairs on machinery, and everything else we dont know about the custom cue business at $10,000.

Gross Income: $87,000
Materials: -$25,000
Rent: -$14,400
Expenses: -$10,000
Annual Salary: $37,600

If this cuemaker wants to raise a family or for that matter buy a house, forget about it!

Im sure my material costs are totally unrealistic since he will be doing high end inlaid cues with ivory for around $1000.

THERE YOU GO BUDDY, LOW PRODUCTION = HIGH PRICES, GO BUY A Lucasi or something :D :D :D
 
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Simply put, anyone I have ever met who has taken time to become proficient at something to the extent of starting a small manufacturing business feels that they should get money for their time. Also, alot of these makers have investigated how much they need to charge to stay afloat. These are driving forces behind asking price.

If you see a cue you really like and consider that you will use it alot and it will probably last longer than you will, the prices aren't that high. On the other hand, us buyers only have so much dough. Sooooo, I do this, buy the best you can afford. There are enough of them out there that you can have a great cue stick. Good luck.
 
cueman said:
If you want to pursue your quest to build a high end cue, I sell cue building equipment and instructions. Also if you want a cue for a little less than your above examples I can help you there also. You will get a lot more than a plain jane for $1000 with me.
Chris
www.hightowercues.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com
What does the cue building equipment and instructions set us back?
 
A guy I know a little makes cues here in the Northeast told me he winds up making $8-10 Hour.

I dont know why any of this torments you. The market is determined by the market and you can't fight it.

If you think this is such a high mark-up business-then there is an opportunity for you to get rich. Start making cues, buy a cue business or put someone else in business.
 
Put in the work, craft something of beauty, charge whatever you like, no problem.

Start claiming ridiculous performance enhancements and you're a scam artist, plain and simple.
 
Bishop said:
What does the cue building equipment and instructions set us back?
It would be best to call Chris Hightower ..he has helped many people over the years...
 
cuejoey said:
It would be best to call Chris Hightower ..he has helped many people over the years...
I will if the time comes I didn't want to take up the mans time on a tire kick. Just curious as to the ballpark price. lol I already had his page bookmarked in my favorites.
 
PunchOut said:
This isnt simply a markup situation.....the average CUSTOMcue maker makes roughly 100-125 cues a year if he is lucky. If he didnt sell a cue for over $1000, he would generate roughly $87,000(125x700) in gross sales. Materials im guessing would equal out to $25,000(125x200). Oh yeah, what if he wants to work in an actual workshop and not his garage. Tack on atleast $1200 for rent or 14,400. I live in california and you are freaking dreaming to find a office space for under $1600. Now lets throw in additional overhead for bad wood, repairs on machinery, and everything else we dont know about the custom cue business at $10,000.

Gross Income: $87,000
Materials: -$25,000
Rent: -$14,400
Expenses: -$10,000
Annual Salary: $37,600

If this cuemaker wants to raise a family or for that matter buy a house, forget about it!

Im sure my material costs are totally unrealistic since he will be doing high end inlaid cues with ivory for around $1000.

THERE YOU GO BUDDY, LOW PRODUCTION = HIGH PRICES, GO BUY A Lucasi or something :D :D :D
I would guess that your estimate of 200 in materials for each cue is waaayyyy high. Especially if he is buying wholesale.
 
Johnny "V" said:
I would guess that your estimate of 200 in materials for each cue is waaayyyy high. Especially if he is buying wholesale.


I agree, It's more like $80 for up to $1,600 cues and $130 for high end cues. Material cost only!
Purdman
 
Johnny "V" said:
I would guess that your estimate of 200 in materials for each cue is waaayyyy high. Especially if he is buying wholesale.

Considering this fairytale cue maker is doing his high end cues with 50 ivorys for around 1000, i would say no.
 
Johnny "V" said:
This post reminds me of another one I did around 7 years ago about pool tables.. Looks like I might be coming out with a new website... "My Quest to build a high end pool cue!"

JV <----- Tired of looking @ cues that his single family obligations will not let him afford.

I don’t know how serious you are about your quest, but I wish you the best.

Given that you’ve made a great table, truly great IMO. Just how much would you sell that for? How many hours where involved and what would you consider a fair price?

Rick
 
hustlefinger said:
I don’t know how serious you are about your quest, but I wish you the best.

Given that you’ve made a great table, truly great IMO. Just how much would you sell that for? How many hours where involved and what would you consider a fair price?

Rick
Thank you for the kind words and a damn excellent question Rick... (I knew you were going to ask it :) )

I feel as though my table is a one of a kind and I would never sell it. So as I figure it is priceless. But it falls into a different catagory. i never built it to sell. And a cuemaker that builds cues to sell has that one cue that he built for himself that he put many painstaking hours into knowing that it was his and it is in his eyes perfect (except for the minor blemishes that only he knows about). He will never sell that cue because it was never made to be sold. But production and sales falls into a different world completely. If I am looking to sell my table when I made it I would not have spent the time to hand carve the feet or worry about the additional support for the slate. I would not have mitred the corners the way I did or do 5 coats of finish so it was perfect. Yes it took me 8 months to build it because I wanted to make sure that it was in everyway what I wanted.

BTW I will see you at chalkies tonight.
 
Louie Roberts walked into Reds in Houston many years ago. He was sporting a new Backer, a new wardrobe, and a new cue.

Someone comented on how well he looked and inquired about the new cue and then asked, "what did the new cue cost you?"

Louie just smiled, glanced at his backer and replied ."oh, about $6500 so far, wanna play some"?
 
Purdman said:
I agree, It's more like $80 for up to $1,600 cues and $130 for high end cues. Material cost only!
Purdman
I would put the figure at $60 to $250 on $1600 or less. But when you say highend I know a cue that had over $3000 in materials. I am building one now that should retail for around $9500 and I already have over $1000 in materials. Already have over 50 hours in the cue and there are no inlays in the cue yet. It has an ivory handle and will be loaded with Ivory abalone, silver and rubies.
Here is my bank wire transfer information:
Chris
www.hightowercues.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com
 
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