Cue Tip Contact Myth-Busting Truths in Super Slow Motion
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I'd like to see the numbers from a beeg computer.
BC21 said:
Hitting firm with a soft tip causes the tip to grab the ball, and it deforms as it grabs, absorbing quite a bit of the impact, while the ferrule/shaft end moves forward and sideways a bit, leaving the tip behind for a brief time.
The hit is not very efficient compared to using a hard or medium hard tip, where there is less energy lost to tip deformation. So it's definitely not the same cb action when shooting firm with a soft tip vs shooting with a harder tip.
What happens if you rosin a hard tip? I mean besides the residue...
And less contact time in which to deliver the energy.
It’s not quite the same tip action, I’ll grant that, but I think it results in the same CB action, despite your maddeningly reasonable objections.
pj
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... except that at slower CB speed, a little more of the sidespin wears off on the way to the rail, so a slower shot will appear to have less sidespin.
soyale
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@dr_dave
my tip recently broke so i’ve been shooting with a spare shaft the last couple days (same shaft, both ob1+). My shaft had a pooldawg8 milk dud, and the spare has a g2 soft. i’m having a hard time adjusting, it seems like the balls are throwing more when i use side spin. can you explain why this is happening or what might be the cause? i’m just curious. Thank you.
my tip recently broke so i’ve been shooting with a spare shaft the last couple days (same shaft, both ob1+). My shaft had a pooldawg8 milk dud, and the spare has a g2 soft. i’m having a hard time adjusting, it seems like the balls are throwing more when i use side spin. can you explain why this is happening or what might be the cause? i’m just curious. Thank you.
See the “Does tip hardness have an effect on CB deflection?” section at the bottom of the page here:
soyale
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thanks, that was informative. However, i’m even more confused as to why or how the different tip is so difficult to adjust to.
If your shaft/tip combo is creating a different amount of CB deflection, you need to adjust how you aim. This can take a little time to figure out over a wide range of shot speeds, distances, and type/amount of spin. The System for Aiming With Sidespin (SAWS) can help.
soyale
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so perhaps the g2 soft is harder/denser than the milk dud, creating more CB squirt and giving me the illusion of more/less ball throw. That makes sense, thanks again.
Edit: thinking about it more, i guess it would actually be the other way around, and that i was used to more/less squirt initially and now that it squirts less it cuts the ball differently. What a mind boggler.
Yep. You’re welcome.
For a given CB speed, there is no way a different tip would change how the CB is throwing the OB unless you are putting different amounts of spin on the CB, maybe because of a tip curvature difference and incorrect perception of the tip contact point per the illustrations and info here:
(It is also possible a softer/flatter tip is leaving bigger and more pronounced chalk marks on the CB causing more frequent cling/skid/kick.)
Wow. #895 on the hit parade. Hey people, the bottom line after damn near 900 posts is: IT DOESN'T MATTER. Find a tip that feels/sounds/hits the way you like and go play. What differences that may/may not exist are generally at the micro level and not worth worrying about. Last few days i've hit with three different shafts and three different tips. Guess what: i played exactly the same way with all of them. Did they feel diff? Hell yes. Did i see ANY performance/spin/squirt diff? Not one bit. All this stuff makes for great discussions/arguments/psychosis but really is a non-starter when it come to playing the game. Oh, one last question: what's the best tip? 
thank youWow. #895 on the hit parade. Hey people, the bottom line after damn near 900 posts is: IT DOESN'T MATTER. Find a tip that feels/sounds/hits the way you like and go play. What differences that may/may not exist are generally at the micro level and not worth worrying about. Last few days i've hit with three different shafts and three different tips. Guess what: i played exactly the same way with all of them. Did they feel diff? Hell yes. Did i see ANY performance/spin/squirt diff? Not one bit. All this stuff makes for great discussions/arguments/psychosis but really is a non-starter when it come to playing the game. Oh, one last question: what's the best tip?
Wow. #895 on the hit parade. Hey people, the bottom line after damn near 900 posts is: IT DOESN'T MATTER. Find a tip that feels/sounds/hits the way you like and go play. What differences that may/may not exist are generally at the micro level and not worth worrying about. Last few days i've hit with three different shafts and three different tips. Guess what: i played exactly the same way with all of them. Did they feel diff? Hell yes. Did i see ANY performance/spin/squirt diff? Not one bit. All this stuff makes for great discussions/arguments/psychosis but really is a non-starter when it come to playing the game. Oh, one last question: what's the best tip?
Agreed, hence the “BOTTOM LINE” on the tip hardness effects page.
I couldn't help myself. I had to ask the un-answerable once again.Triangle. in response to the best tip question
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And you guessed it, Dr. Dave's there turning people back, "It makes no difference! It makes no difference!"
And you guessed it, Dr. Dave's there turning people back, "It makes no difference! It makes no difference!"