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And will it settle "it" if you beat me up? Will it be settled if I beat you up?

What is the "it" you think will be settled by violence?

Exchanges like what have occurred here are nothing more than a lesser form of fighting in an attempt to establish dominance.

A good punch in the face has been known to end them before. Just saying!

In fact you and Lou are to the point where celebrity boxing is not out line here imo.
 
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Exchanges like what have occurred here are nothing more than a lesser form of fighting in an attempt to establish dominance.

A good punch in the face has been known to end them before. Just saying!

In fact you and Lou are to the point where celebrity boxing is not out line here imo.

Only if the punch is to my hands and breaks my fingers. Otherwise this does not end with violence.

People here think that they can use words to demean me and defame me and others without being confronted about it in the same medium.

I don't care about dominance I care about fairness. When I say that I think jump cues are good for the game based on my experiences with them over 20 years I don't expect to be harassed about it and told my comments are not valid because I am in a sales position. Then when I try to explain that the motivation for my position isn't driven by the need to sell more cues they escalate to other insults, china card, communist, etc....

Now it could well be that the antagonist there is trying to assert dominance over me. I don't know. What I do know for example is that I have tons of experience with jump cues, in development, sales, demonstration and teaching and if that's not worth something to a pool related forum then I don't know what is. If a person like me, and there are plenty, who has lots of experience in the industry from player to manufacturer isn't worth protecting then what's the point of the group?

Is it to have threads like this one where it's a pissing match or is to have threads where those in the KNOW inform those who aren't without being beaten up for it?
 
Only if the punch is to my hands and breaks my fingers. Otherwise this does not end with violence.

People here think that they can use words to demean me and defame me and others without being confronted about it in the same medium.

I don't care about dominance I care about fairness. When I say that I think jump cues are good for the game based on my experiences with them over 20 years I don't expect to be harassed about it and told my comments are not valid because I am in a sales position. Then when I try to explain that the motivation for my position isn't driven by the need to sell more cues they escalate to other insults, china card, communist, etc....

Now it could well be that the antagonist there is trying to assert dominance over me. I don't know. What I do know for example is that I have tons of experience with jump cues, in development, sales, demonstration and teaching and if that's not worth something to a pool related forum then I don't know what is. If a person like me, and there are plenty, who has lots of experience in the industry from player to manufacturer isn't worth protecting then what's the point of the group?

Is it to have threads like this one where it's a pissing match or is to have threads where those in the KNOW inform those who aren't without being beaten up for it?
Yeah sure, you are the victim who is always just standing up for himself. lol!

But my point was that fighting with words is not that much different than fighting with fists and you can't be surprised when you fight like you do if it escalates. And sometimes the escalation is what is finally needed to gain the respect of the other one, especially when a bully is concerned as you claim. Clearly your claim is not all true though. I mean Lou is not innocent in this fight but you are certainly not just a victim.

If you want to try to keep fighting without violence then by all means do so and you are probably safe to do that with Lou, he is able to just walk away when he finally gets tired I think, but a fight is a fight and can escalate is basically what I'm saying and sometimes it is even needed to get the other to stop. In other words, it can solve a problem imo.


BTW, I like you dude and this is not an attempt to start a fight :-)
 
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Yeah sure, you are the victim who is always just standing up for himself. lol!

But my point was that fighting with words is not that much different than fighting with fists and you can't be surprised when you fight like you do if it escalates. And sometimes the escalation is what is finally needed to gain the respect of the other one, especially when a bully is concerned as you claim. Clearly your claim is not all true though. I mean Lou is not innocent in this fight but you are certainly not just a victim.

If you want to try to keep fighting without violence then by all means do so and you are probably safe to do that with Lou, he is able to just walk away when he finally gets tired I think, but a fight is a fight and can escalate is basically what I'm saying and sometimes it is even needed to get the other to stop. In other words, it can solve a problem imo.


BTW, I like you dude and this is not an attempt to start a fight :-)
Well 99% of the I don't start it. I post my thoughts on subjects without malice. So yeah if someone throws a verbal punch and I come back and destroy them then I was still the victim of their aggression.

Fighting with words is very different. For one thing bruises heal words last forever.

So far all the physical bullies have turned out to be cowards. They think they can lie and then threaten me after I destroy them verbally. Only one guy has gotten in my face and he didn't swing.

I would prefer not to fight at all. But I damn sure won't stand by and be defamed without rebuttal. If someday that leads to one of these guys taking a swing then I will deal with it at that time.

If you want to accuse a guy of being crazy you had better hope you're not right if you continue to antagonize him.

Now wouldn't it be much nicer if we never ever had a thread like this because verbal fighting was not allowed?

Wouldn't it be great if the information were positive, factual and entertaining?

I think it would be but maybe some of you don't share my optimism.
 
... I believe they call that "pissing people off". Normally a precursor to violence.
What makes you think I am not pissed off? Maybe I am channeling my violent tendencies into words instead of hunting people down.
 
John, many of these people are baiting you. You are enabling them to dominate you by responding to the bait. They are baiting, you are responding and arguing. You are allowing them to dominate your emotional energy and more importantly, your time. I'm not sure why you care what some Internet troll thinks of you, but to each their own. You ignoring them doesn't mean anyone else will agree with their post, it simply means you aren't giving them enough credibility to even acknowledge their existence.

The ONLY measure of success for a troll is the response (s).
 
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I appreciate your being mesmerized and no doubt agog.

Thanks, I appreciate your being mesmerized and no doubt agog.
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Your brilliant insights and wonderful way with the English language (which you rarely spell correctly) has me mesmerized by your genius even if I don't have a clue to WTF you said. But I'm calmed by the realization that you don't either since nothing you wrote refutes my post.

ONB
 
after I destroy them verbally.

Well, there ya go. That right here says it all.

Just the fact that a person feels the need to do that on a message board. And why, what does it prove. If everyone is nothing but an anonymous troll looking to get under your skin for whatever reason.

And exactly what the cause is/was for a person to feel that way.

John, a couple of weeks ago, you posted that myself, along with other members could be easily manipulated by none other than yourself.

I don't believe that to be anywhere true. Someone lays a little bait for you and Bam, you fall into the trap like a Hobo on a Hot Dog.

But step back, look in a mirror and ask yourself one question. "What have I done personally to deserve this treatment". If you're willing to be honest with yourself, I believe that you will find the answer.
 
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Well, there ya go. That right here says it all.

Just the fact that a person feels the need to do that on a message board. And why, what does it prove. If everyone is nothing but an anonymous troll looking to get under your skin for whatever reason.

And exactly what the cause is/was for a person to feel that way.

John, a couple of weeks ago, you posted that myself, along with other members could be easily manipulated by none other than yourself.

I don't believe that to be anywhere true. Someone lays a little bait for you and Bam, you fall into the trap like a Hobo on a Hot Dog.

But step back, look in a mirror and ask yourself one question. "What have I done personally to deserve this treatment". If you're willing to be honest with yourself, I believe that you will find the answer.

I said you could be easily manipulated by people whispering in your ear. That was proven after you allowed yourself to be used by a rumormongering teenager.

I said if I wanted to I could create accounts and say things to you that you would act on. The fact that you and others are so quick to condemn based on flimsy statements is part of the toxic climate.

As for destroying antagonists verbally yeah that's a character flaw. Not because they don't deserve it but because it is a time suck. No one is actually destroyed and the antagonists have fiction on their side to use like an endless supply of energy drinks and the low chance of being punished for those lies as the complimentary cocaine urging them to keep going.
 
I said if I wanted to I could create accounts and say things to you that you would act on.

I don't believe that is exactly what you said, but go ahead, try it.

I admit 100%. In the past I have jumped into the Thread bashing along with others without taking the time to allow the truth to come out.

However, I did learn my lesson a couple of times and am more careful these days or just ignore many of those threads.

But, yer most welcome to try and play mind games with me if you like. I'll play.

I don't feel the need to rehash the Chady thread in its entirety in this one. I was at the point of letting it go with my one comment in that thread.

Then you came Blustering in, arms waving, and I thought, ok, this should be fun.

Instead of that thread hitting page 15 shortly there after, you kept it on page one for 2 and a half days.

I bet your Good Friend Chady was happy to see that.
 
I don't believe that is exactly what you said, but go ahead, try it.

I admit 100%. In the past I have jumped into the Thread bashing along with others without taking the time to allow the truth to come out.

However, I did learn my lesson a couple of times and am more careful these days or just ignore many of those threads.

But, yer most welcome to try and play mind games with me if you like. I'll play.

I don't feel the need to rehash the Chady thread in its entirety in this one. I was at the point of letting it go with my one comment in that thread.

Then you came Blustering in, arms waving, and I thought, ok, this should be fun.

Instead of that thread hitting page 15 shortly there after, you kept it on page one for 2 and a half days.

I bet your Good Friend Chady was happy to see that.
My good friend doesn't care about how long a thread goes as long as his name is cleared. Neither do I.

And my statement was rhetorical as I am not going to pm you with gossip to spread. I am sure that now you really have learned your lesson.
 
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