Curious on people thoughts as to a recent AZ experience.

TATE said:
.44 special, now that's a gun! That is also new-old school, S and W I presume.
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Nah, actually the gun guys on here would think my gun was a piece of junk. It is an old CA 44 Bulldog 3" barrel. I have used it for like 35 years and shoot it a few times a month. It is very accurate and I have real confidence in it. I am mostly a revolver guy. I just feel better with one. I use a speed loaders and I can actually reload almost as quick as someone with a clip. I have other nice guns but I like this gun.
 

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macguy said:
I completely agree with you and if I say I will do something I will. But I would not be very surprised if someone as happened in this instance didn't keep their word under those circumstances. The ethics of it are in a grey area and you could argue either side.

By the way, thats not my gun in the picture. I have one like it but I saw that picture on the net and I thought it was composed nicely. I like the 45 but the gun I carry mostly if I do is a 44 special.
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Charter Arms Bulldog?
Marc
 
macguy said:
Yes, see my other post. What do you think of my IWB holster? Not very fancy
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The CA and IWB holster are a very effective defense combo.The 44 spesh is very good as a people stopper.Not too many calibers are as good in this regard.Large bore and controllable.The 3 inch barrel adds to the muzzle velocity and the sight radius too.
Have a great day.
Marc.
 
ArtT said:
Thanks for all the input. In some ways almost all of you have agreed with what I was thinking. I understand that I didn't leave a deposit, and that people ask to buy stuff and then don't, but I didn't even originally do that. The buyer came to me unsolicited. So my response was basically, "yes, if you can agree to one condition" (waiting one week). The buyer did, then sold it out on me. So IMHO they broke their word and the deal. Indeed they may well have done me a favor and I certainly won't deal with them in the future.

I guess my real question should have been, whether or not I should leave them a bad rating, or just chalk it up as a missed opportunity? I mean, after all, it didn't cost me anything either.
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Even though I sort of played devils advocate and tried to see both sides. He did renege and probably because he got more money, I believe that is what you said. Not surprising, but not very honorable either. I might neg him.

A hypothetical can be made that it could have cost you something. Suppose you had a chance to buy the same item and passed because you already had a deal going. Then guy no.1 backs out and in the mean time the other item becomes no longer available causing you to lose both deals. What if it was something like a hard to find car part. You are now really stuck because of the dishonorable way the first seller performed.
 
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Here's my "piece" - it's actually a S & W early double action 9mm. I haven't shot it in at least 20 years. I bought the aluminum 9mm shells because it matched the gun. By the way, in California I don't know a citizen who ever carries a gun, except law enforcement.

The 9 ball keeps this pool related...
 

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TATE said:
Here's my "piece" - it's actually a S & W early double action 9mm. I haven't shot it in at least 20 years. I bought the aluminum 9mm shells because it matched the gun. By the way, in California I don't know a citizen who ever carries a gun, except law enforcement.

The 9 ball keeps this pool related...
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I know 3 guys here that carry regularly. You are just hanging with the wrong crowd.
 
I dunno, I'm reading his exact wording, you basically said "can we do this deal next week?"
and he said [exact words]: Yes, next week is fine.

To me, 'yeah sure I'm willing to do the deal next week, that's fine.'
is not the same as 'ok, I will hold the cue for you until then.'

No part of his reply really guaranteed anything, it only said
he's willing to wait. I can't really fault him.
 
TATE said:
Here's my "piece" - it's actually a S & W early double action 9mm. I haven't shot it in at least 20 years. I bought the aluminum 9mm shells because it matched the gun. By the way, in California I don't know a citizen who ever carries a gun, except law enforcement.

The 9 ball keeps this pool related...
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Remind me to green rep you more often and to never red rep you lol

Then I will go downstairs and pocket the 9 ball in the corner :thumbup:
 
kvinbrwr said:
I know 3 guys here that carry regularly. You are just hanging with the wrong crowd.
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Only 3? I know at least that many (not counting myself) who carry in the pool hall where I play. lol

As far as the 9 ball keeping it related, there was no need. We're talking shooting here, whether pool or guns it's still shooting.:D
 
TATE said:
Here's my "piece" - it's actually a S & W early double action 9mm. I haven't shot it in at least 20 years. I bought the aluminum 9mm shells because it matched the gun. By the way, in California I don't know a citizen who ever carries a gun, except law enforcement.

The 9 ball keeps this pool related...
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I don't know anything about the CC laws on Cal. but you may be surprised how many may be armed. It is not something people advertise. I would say that like in Florida though there are supposedly like over a million carry permits issued. Only a very very small percent will ever actually carry a gun. It is not like there are a million people out there with guns in their pockets.

They get the permits just because it is so easy or on a whim. I know a lot with permit holders who don't even own a gun. It is kind of a joke here they have made a business of getting people permits. I was at Bass pro shop recently and they do like 3 classes a week that all fill up. Very very few will ever carry a gun beyond their front door and that is a good thing, because no training at all is required.

They take them to the range and have them fire three shots, many the first time they have ever fired a gun. Then hand them a certificate that they have completed a training course. I am not exaggerated one bit that is exactly how the class goes. They give them a written test at the end and have them fill it in as they read off the answers to them.
We have gotten way off the original subject I guess.
 
It is not different than buying a used car form a private seller or something at a swap meet....a person will say anything to hold on to a potential sale. Cash on the barrel head is the way to conduct any type of private sale without a formal contract. It is the way of the world, for better or worse. Not to sound full of vinegar, but just deal with it as missed opportunity and move on. It sucks you missed out, though.
 
ArtT said:
I guess my real question should have been, whether or not I should leave them a bad rating, or just chalk it up as a missed opportunity? I mean, after all, it didn't cost me anything either.
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Yes you should absolutely leave negative feedback IMO, but people are roughly split on their opinions about it. The nice thing is you get to leave a small line of feedback that explains your negative. Something like "after we had mutually agreed to a sale he then went and sold the item to someone else, selling it out from under me."

Because of this small synopsis, everybody knows why he got a negative, and those that are opposed to backing out of deals can be wary of this guy if they want to, and those that are not opposed to backing out of deals will know he is just fine in their book. EVERYBODY wins when you leave feedback as long as you list the reason for it. If you don't leave feedback, the great many people who feel that keeping your word is important will have no idea who to watch out for.
 
fireball said:
It is not different than buying a used car form a private seller or something at a swap meet....a person will say anything to hold on to a potential sale.
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So then don't agree to hold an item if you don't want to. Nobody is forcing you to agree to hold it and take a risk on the buyer coming through. But if you do agree to hold the item, you damn sure better follow through with holding it. Don't want to chance holding it? Then don't agree to hold it. How much more simple could it get? This is 100% the sellers fault, and zero fault of the buyer.
 
CreeDo said:
I dunno, I'm reading his exact wording, you basically said "can we do this deal next week?"
and he said [exact words]: Yes, next week is fine.

To me, 'yeah sure I'm willing to do the deal next week, that's fine.'
is not the same as 'ok, I will hold the cue for you until then.'

No part of his reply really guaranteed anything, it only said
he's willing to wait. I can't really fault him.
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There is nobody on earth that is so dense that they didn't understand what "My only question is can you wait until around this time next week? I just paid a bunch of bills and get paid again next thursday" means. And that includes you as well. You know exactly what this explicitly meant.

Translation:
Seller: Hey I heard you were looking for x item. I have one and will sell it for y dollars. You want it?
Buyer: Yeah I definitely want it and will buy it but I don't have the money until next Thursday. Would you be willing to hold it for me until then?
Seller: Sure, no problem, I will do that.

I mean come on guy, think this out. What else on earth could it possibly mean when the buyer said "My only question is can you wait until around this time next week?" What do you think he means by wait around? It means hold the item. Even someone from another country who understood little English would understand what that means. You are just playing dumb for some reason because you know exactly what that meant (the only thing I can figure is so you can use the same semantic word game as an excuse when you do this same thing to someone else, but I hope I'm wrong).

You don't have any need whatsoever to ask if someone will accept your payment if they still happen to have the item later on down the road and didn't sell it in the mean time. Obviously they would. But if what you would like is for the seller to hold the item for you until then, then you do indeed have a need to ask, and that is exactly what this buyer did. And the seller agreed to it. And then the seller broke their deal.
 
Life in the Big City.

He was at risk that next week you'd come up with another reason for him to hold it a "just a little longer." It happens to sellers all the time.

Sure, he should have told you early on that "Sorry, but I have to sell it to the first person who pays". That's a mistake on his part. But I wouldn't refuse to do business with him in the future because of it.
 
My only question is can you wait until around this time next week?
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You made a statement that you wanted XXXXX.

He got a hold of you and said that he had XXXXX.

Then you asked him if he can wait. To me, that changes everything. As in, Do you want it or not? You walk into a store and see an item on sale that you really want.
You take it to Customer Service and they tell you that considering it is on sale and there is only one left, they will not let you put away until you come back.

You come back a week later and the item was sold. Is it the sores fault?

He told you to let him know when you deposited the money in his Pay Pal.

He at least had the courtesy to let you know what happened instead of letting you hang or chase him at a later date and not answer your PMs.

Your money situation, or problem isn't his. If he makes a bit of money selling XXXXX's
and other items, he needs money just like anyone else does.

The item is gone, you won't get that particular one. Look for another and have the money ready this time.
 
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it happens. best not to say you will buy until you have the cash to pay in hand to pay. avoids misunderstandings like this. it would be different if you knew each other personally.
I can understand both sides, I am sure you can too. often people say they are a buyer and you never hear from them again.
 
This was complete BS. The seller said he would hold item for the buyer until a certain date then sold it from under him. His word means nothing and all this money talks crap just means money is more important than your word.
 
I'll relate my experience giving furniture away for free on Craig's list. This was my first and only time doing it.

I had a few emails saying they wanted it, and asked for address, etc. So the first person that contacted me I said its yours. I then told the other people I have someone coming to pick up the stuff.

First guy can't get a truck. So I move to the next guy. Same thing happens, but different excuse. Then the SAME thing happens to the third guy! I'm thinking to myself wtf. By the way, in each instance I'm losing several days, because we schedule a pickup day/time, and then 10 min before I get a text with some excuse.

So on the next round of emails, I only answer the ones that say they are ready to pick up today, and with a truck.

So while I agree you should be a bit bitter that you lost on the product you wanted, from the seller's perspective, he might have dealt with something similar many times in the past, and had the prospective buyers flake out on him. I'm not saying you would have done that, but he might have had 5 guys before do that to him. So he's going to go with the guy that has the cash right now.

Regarding negative feedback, no way. That should only be for a transaction that "occurred" and then there were problems after the fact.

Those are my 3 cents:)
 
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