D Appleton is against pivoting for spin ?
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You know what I mean.
Which one of us has a history of emotional, aggressive posts? Don't need to look far to find out. I think we agree on most things except one.I have never seen you post like you have today. Are you OK? It is definitely refreshing. (Unless it's a setup)
It's high school physics... just sayin'.how can you say i dont need to know this to play great?
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Also, a great player does know this as a practical application on the table, just not the math, of course.
Neither one of us can read the emotions of another person they don't know personally and have never met. What you may think is the top of the head exploding is more than likely a big smile on the face as far as what's to come in the wordsmithing. Aggressive? Hell YES! On forums you can get run over by a tank if the timing and initiative is wrong because the other person will do it.
As far as not agreeing about the one, nobody can force you to learn and perform something you have no willingness to do. It's a physical game...not mental or conceptual.
A great player knows what he knows from observing what the balls do either with him shooting and experimenting or other players. NONE of them know physics from books and classes. Back in the 30's, 40's and 50's there were some super pool players that didn't come close to even getting a high school degree.
Make a list of the pro players who you think use actual physics as taught in classes or books for their pool game and success.
You hear the word "physics" in pool and all you can think of is equations? You apparently know even less about it than I imagined.
Hitting the OB on the point opposite the pocket is physics. Hitting below center for draw, above center for follow or offcenter for sidespin is physics. Squirt, swerve and throw are all physics.
Physics in pool is pretty simple at the functional level - that doesn't mean it's not physics. Don't let the word intimidate you.
pj
chgo
Only you have the knowledge of Einstein, Einstein.
No shit, Sherlock. So, what's your point? The same can be said for what a golf ball does, or a player can do with it. Or a
MLB pitcher getting a ball to curve, drop, and rise. The only part that's important is WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO PERFORM IT AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL. How do you hold your hands, fingers, and body alignment. What do you do to manipulate the golf club, baseball, or any other implement in a sport. Nobody gives a rats ass about teaching or learning it through actual physics with formulas and 2D drawings as you do.
Don't let the word blow your head up any more than it already is, or it might explode. On second thought, keep up the good work!
Show us a formula I've posted. Or a drawing that was too complicated for you.
pj <- be glad to help you understand
chgo
We are saying the same thing. I just did it with fewer words.
When I see one of your bullshit 2D drawings, whatever they may illustrate, gets flipped right off by me because they're totally worthless and the only person who gets their rocks off on it is you and a couple of other geeks in your crew.
Here, I'll help YOU understand. Get on the table and do things you've never done before and are unwilling to do because of your rock, know it all, head. Why don't you start by learning how an angled cue (pivoting) works (live and in person) for aiming and english by doing it instead of knocking it. Report back when the experiments have been physically completed.
I didn't know that was the prerequisite or rules for posting.
T'aint.
Most great painters and sketch artists learn using fundamental shapes like circles and squares and triangles. From these basic shapes/references they learn to draw faces, people, horses, landscapes, whatever.
The same learning method works with paint-by-the-numbers. Eventually the mind no longer needs the numbers or the basic shapes in order to create a great piece of artwork. The artist visualizes what needs to happen and then makes it happen.
Learning to play pool can be done in the same manner using 2D drawings, especially if projected directly onto a pool table to allow the player to actually see what needs to happen, or what will happen if the cb or ob is struck a certain way.
I agree with you that knowing how to calculate the cb or ob reaction does not help one's pool game.
Knowing how to visualize or imagine the cb or ob reaction is all that's needed. And that's something that's learned through visual experience (table time), but also through visual aids like 2D images in books or on the table.
So, to say that 2D drawings aren't useful is just incorrect. Knowing the math behind such drawings is not useful, but the drawings themselves are excellent visual tools that can certainly help with learning.
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Dan, I appreciate your open-mindedness. When you see someone "get it" after decades, you know they are now in a good place.
But what can help with learning much more and faster than bullshit 2D drawings is the hundreds of free videos on just about any and all facets of pool on youtube. Youtube is far, far better than crappy 2D stuff. There are also super videos
for sale by some top instructors on all facets of the game as long as the wannabe pool player isn't a miserly cheapskate.
So, I don't agree with the 2D drawings. It's like antiquated technology. If a picture is worth a thousand words, a video is worth a million. And a live lesson with a pro instructor or pro player is worth 10 million.
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I agree about youtube being the best learning tool. But the most effective pool videos to learn from (when it comes to developing good visualization for cb and ob paths) are the videos that show the cb and ob lines on the table. Sharivari's videos come to mind. They are among the best. And when someone is watching these videos on their flat screen tv or flat smartphone screen, they are watching it in 2D.
There are better videos. Especially the ones where the person demonstrating/teaching has a small video camera on his head with the camera on the same line as what he's seeing with his own eyes. Lil Chris comes to mind.I agree about youtube being the best learning tool. But the most effective pool videos to learn from (when it comes to developing good visualization for cb and ob paths) are the videos that show the cb and ob lines on the table. Sharivari's videos come to mind. They are among the best. And when someone is watching these videos on their flat screen tv or flat smartphone screen, they are watching it in 2D.
This isn't CTE Pro1, but he does do a good job of basic CTE with pivots and the camera.
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Yo, NUMBNUTS...you don't understand "fundamentals". They aren't your bullshit 2D drawings with equations.
This is what fundamentals are:
I remember this video. It's a good one. What he shows here is not Stan's version of basic CTE with pivots. If so, no one would've been questioning how to do it. Little Chris's version (no "perceptions") is pretty simple to understand.