DCC Marathon Report - long

Williebetmore

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Well, thought I would give my final DCC impressions to any who weren't lucky enough to be there. I was there from Wednesday till Saturday night - slept about 10 hours total.

First day was lucky enough to meet Weenie Beenie (Bill Staton). He is obviously having some thinking problems, but it was still a thrill to meet him, compliment him on his status in the game, and watch him observe a one-pocket match between Ronnie Allen and Scott Frost. Beenie still loves the game and is a great gentleman.

There couldn't have been more of a contrast than conversing with Beenie, and then seeing a ridiculous woofing session between Tony Chohan and Ronnie Wiseman. Neither could agree on a game, and both were extremely obnoxious and rude (both in the top 5 rude people I've ever seen). I'm sure they think such behavior is necessary in the hustler's world; but I wonder whether Beenie ever had to do it just to get a game.

Was introduced to a TON of really interesting people by Danny DiLiberto (who must just know everybody who has ever picked up a cue) - Ronnie Allen, Scott Frost, "Pots and Pans" (Bunny Rogoff - the crazy guy dressed up like Charlie Chaplin), Pat Fleming, a bunch of semi-anonymous old road players (who have supported themselves gambling for 50 years without a 9-5 job), and our own ZigZagMaster (who plays great and I think knocked Dave Matlock out of the 9-ball event and into second place in the Master of the Table competition - WAY TO GO ZZM).

Ronnie Allen was a hoot to observe scrounging up games, but I really think he is a step below the best one-pocket players - though he exclaimed while watching Scott Frost run out the set, "see that great stroke he has, it'll disappear when I play him for a thousand a game." Scott cracked up.

Scott Frost is a REAL character. Very interesting to watch, very vocal, very talented; and I think he likes to gamble. Don't miss an opportunity to watch him in action.

The venue itself was cold as a meat locker, but the action was fabulous. There was a bird flying around the main room the last 3 days. One poor schmuck (don't know his name) was down 6-4 in 9-ball (races to 7) and just as he was getting down to shoot a long cut on the 9 to stay in the match, the bird sent a dropping right on the back of the shooter's neck. He wiped off very calmly, then missed the 9 by a mile. It would be great if they posted the player's names by the table they are playing on as they do in the WPBA.

Nowhere near enough table's to play on - they were always busy - very tough to find a place to play an action match. Lot's of mini-tournaments with zero spectator value - but then again there were plenty of action matches to watch; if there had been more I might not have slept at all.

This tournament could REALLY use the excitement generated by the WPBA players. Jeanette wasn't even playing and she had more people out in the hall looking for autographs than watching the pro's in the main room. Sarah was also there looking like she would rather be competing.

No big straight pool match this year. Every day Alex P. and John Schmidt would claim, "we're thinking about it," but nothing came off to my knowledge. I had a straight pool match lined up with Efren if he got knocked out early (obviously didn't happen).

The LilJohn vs. Marcus Chamat match was the high point for me. Nine ball to 10 games ahead; Chamat spotting the last 3 and the 6 ball; ungodly amount of money on the line; Scott Frost at least partially backing Chamat and contributing his moral support. Epic struggle. I watched the first few hours and went to bed with LilJohn ahead 5 games. I came back at about 10 A.M. and they were still at it with Chamat 3 games up. Chamat loses the next 2 (now one up), then wins about the next 9 in a row (or maybe 10 out of 11) for a STUNNING conclusion to the match. Chamat won JUST IN TIME to head to his 11 A.M match after being up all night. I think LilJohn may be posting on a thread in Sarah's section - perhaps someone should PM him and ask for his thoughts on the match; because I would LOVE to hear his perspective on this match. He seems a GREAT player. How can anyone give him that kind of spot and still win? Is that spot really that big for runout players?? What separates a pro like Chamat from the players like LilJohn - I had a hard time seeing any difference in skill level???

Speaking of skill level - the tables seemed to play fairly tight and EVERYONE was missing some balls - as it should be. The players that stood out to me in 9-ball were Jamie Baraks, Efren, and George Breedlove. They were the three that seemed the least afraid to spin the ball when required, or use the POWER when required; they seemed well ahead of the other players on these particular tables. They also seemed the only ones to really be aggressive in trying the real tough runouts if some kind of wild come shot was required (or at least to be successful when they tried them). If you guys haven't seen Breedlove play you are missing some ungodly power pool (as well as a great finesse game). On the other end, Buddy Hall was tough to watch. He really seemed to be struggling with the weight, I'm afraid his health is really going to suffer. A friend from Indy (just an amateur enthusiast) jumped on Buddy 4-0, but Buddy rose to the challenge and closed him out 7-5.

Tons of young, not-so-well known players with real game. Lots of young players who don't drop their elbow.

One of my instructors (who yelled at me for not playing) told me to follow Efren's matches, study, take notes. I think he's good :) :) . Efren was playing one-pocket with a cue wrapped with ragged adhesive tape (ragged ends of the tape flapping in the middle of the wrap). I will say that he missed as many balls as the other top players, but his position play was probably more consistent than anyone. Like Danny D. noted, he will use any spin at any speed required in ANY situation to get the required position. Like Breedlove, Efren tackled some REALLY difficult layouts in the attempt to runout (both in one pocket and 9-ball), very different from most of the other players who seemed to always favor playing safe with the balls sitting badly on those tight tables.

Nine-ball is a stupid way to try to separate the best players. WAY TOO MUCH luck involved. We again were going to try to predict the winning player after inspecting the table after the opening break. We were correct 10 in a row and gave up - the results of the opening break seem to be the prime determinate of who wins any given game. It was still, however, a great spectating experience; but more of an exhibition than a competition. If you haven't seen these players in person, then you are really missing a great experience. Hope to see you there next year. End of screed.
 
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Thanks for a great report, Willie. Pleased to learn you survived the week at Derby City. Sounds like it was a real hoot.
 
sjm said:
Thanks for a great report, Willie. Pleased to learn you survived the week at Derby City. Sounds like it was a real hoot.

SJM,
Actually the report was mainly for you - I'm pretty sure no one else will have the fortitude to plow through the seemingly endless drivel (and there's a character limit on P.M.'s). I will say that you should definitely attend next year, it's extremely entertaining (I'll help out any way I can with the logistics if you get the urge to venture out here to the great corn forest).
 
Williebetmore said:
SJM,
Actually the report was mainly for you - I'm pretty sure no one else will have the fortitude to plow through the seemingly endless drivel (and there's a character limit on P.M.'s). I will say that you should definitely attend next year, it's extremely entertaining (I'll help out any way I can with the logistics if you get the urge to venture out here to the great corn forest).
Nah, other people will read it... I thought it was pretty interesting... Thanks for the recap.
 
Williebetmore said:
Well, thought I would give my final DCC impressions to any who weren't lucky enough to be there. I was there from Wednesday till Saturday night - slept about 10 hours total.

First day was lucky enough to meet Weenie Beenie (Bill Staton). He is obviously having some thinking problems, but it was still a thrill to meet him, compliment him on his status in the game, and watch him observe a one-pocket match between Ronnie Allen and Scott Frost. Beenie still loves the game and is a great gentleman.

There couldn't have been more of a contrast than conversing with Beenie, and then seeing a ridiculous woofing session between Tony Chohan and Ronnie Wiseman. Neither could agree on a game, and both were extremely obnoxious and rude (both in the top 5 rude people I've ever seen). I'm sure they think such behavior is necessary in the hustler's world; but I wonder whether Beenie ever had to do it just to get a game....

Great report! :) Weenie Beanie used to have the main action spot on the East Coast, the old Jack & Jill's in Virginia. Although I've only seen him play on several occasions, most notably with Freddie Boggs about 20 years ago, he's been known to woof a little when he's in the heat of battle (LOL).

Just talked to some folks who got back from the DCC tonight, and they relayed a few tales. This was the first Derby experience for one local young gun, who's only been playing pool for 3 years, and he had the time of his life, almost looked like he came back a changed man. ;)

JAM
 
I ate the whole thing, Willie.

I read your entire posting and thought it was excellent. I only wish you would have introduced yourself to me. As much as you love "HUSTLERS", I would have gotten you a good discount on the St. Louie, Louie-OHB poster.
I have finally found someone here in the St. Louis area that wants to play straight pool and will be sharpening up my game just for you. Will come to Indy on Business and we can play. WHAT SAY YOU?
TY & GL
 
Thanks Willie, I too read the whole post ... but had a problem in the middle ! You gotta watch how you turn a phrase my friend, I almost blew coffee out my nose and onto the keyboard as I was reading ...




<liberal editing below only to illustrate what my little brain reads>



Williebetmore said:
...The LilJohn vs. Marcus Chamat match was the high point for me. ... I watched the first few hours and went to bed with LilJohn ...

... then I read the 'ahead 5 games' part, but the damage was done by then :)

Dave
 
Thanks for the great report Willie. I missed Johnson City but did get to go to the Stardust tournaments run by the Jansco brothers. Saw Beanie take off Ronnie Allen getting 8/7 in about 20 minutes flat for 2 large a game. This was when 2 large was large. Beanie just kept running 7 and out. If you blinked an eye you would miss it. Beanie had a lot of heart and would bet anything and everything. If he lost he would come back after he figured out how to beat you and give you all he got. I was fortunate to have seen him in action.
 
Weenie Beanie is doing fine.

Weenie Beanie & I had dinner one evening and were recalling all the days in Johnston City and at his Jack 'n Jills poolroom in VA. Louie and I had a great week there once and Weenie Beanie remembered the whole thing.
TY & GL
 
Williebetmore said:
The LilJohn vs. Marcus Chamat match was the high point for me. How can anyone give him that kind of spot and still win? Is that spot really that big for runout players?? What separates a pro like Chamat from the players like LilJohn - I had a hard time seeing any difference in skill level??? End of screed.


Howdy,
It is called buisiness as usual.
vagabond
 
vagabond said:
Howdy,
It is called buisiness as usual.
vagabond






That is pure speculation. Lil John has already faded some action like this within the past year. I think the statement you made has no substance and is an attempt to bring him down.

I am not going to get into a flame throwing match here, I am just saying it would be better off for pool if we did not sling so much mud.
 
sizl said:
That is pure speculation. Lil John has already faded some action like this within the past year. I think the statement you made has no substance and is an attempt to bring him down.

I am not going to get into a flame throwing match here, I am just saying it would be better off for pool if we did not sling so much mud.


Hi Sizl,

No comment.
Vagabond
 
sizl said:
That is pure speculation. Lil John has already faded some action like this within the past year. I think the statement you made has no substance and is an attempt to bring him down.

I am not going to get into a flame throwing match here, I am just saying it would be better off for pool if we did not sling so much mud.

Bravo to you Sizl for stating the FACTS. For a non-attendee of any event to make such a slanderous statement, it only serves one purpose, to demean the pool player(s).

Usually, it has been my observation that when someone makes innuendos, such as this, it is, quite frankly, because they themselves, in fact, do engage in business when involved in games of stake and, therefore, think everybody else does it because they do it themselves.

JAM
 
liljohn

JAM from vagabonds location i would venture to say he has probably lost money to John. John came to Atlanta 2 years ago and we matched up with him. Nothing but a lot of fun. No problems on the money. We did give him a stake to get back home as we busted him that day. The kid has a ton of heart and gamble. Dont know too many who will send it all in. Just my observations.
 
OldHasBeen said:
Weenie Beanie & I had dinner one evening and were recalling all the days in Johnston City and at his Jack 'n Jills poolroom in VA. Louie and I had a great week there once and Weenie Beanie remembered the whole thing.
TY & GL

OHB, there used to be a guy from my town who went on
to be a top player in Vegas. I heard he was in business
at that pool room with Weenie Beenie. Charley Duvalier.
Ever hear of him? best player to ever come out of
Clarksburg.
 
OldHasBeen said:
I only wish you would have introduced yourself to me. I have finally found someone here in the St. Louis area that wants to play straight pool and will be sharpening up my game just for you. Will come to Indy on Business and we can play. WHAT SAY YOU?
TY & GL

OHB,
I'm sorry I couldn't find you at DCC. I heard your name only once overhead (?probably Wednesday), but I was tied up with Danny D. and some of his cronies, and I was unable to even break away to catch a glimpse of your match. I did find the time to read the poster; very entertaining (I guess that means I owe you 2 Buds and a Drambuie). For my poolroom I already have more decorations than space, so I had to pass on purchasing one, but good luck with sales.

I'm always up for playing. I still haven't figured out if you are a pool fanatic or a gambling fanatic (??maybe a little of both??). I gamble only if required to play the better players; I can take it or leave it. Efren was willing to play me for $200 (straight pool to 200); I'm sorry he didn't get knocked out early so I could play him (I have this strong suspicion that he is slightly better than me).

Let me know if you are going to be in town. If it's just a friendly game you are interested in, that's great (though at my house its Aramith Super Pro's and red circle cue ball - your favorite!!). If it's the heavy gambling action, I'm sure I can arrange some for you (but I'll warn you there are some very good players around here, and a somewhat run-down poolhall).
 
Hondo - Your 100% correct

Hondo - Charley Duvalier was Wennie Beenie's partner in the poolroom and a very good player. Louie had his hands full when they played, but Louie got the cash. Charley was also in Johnston City with Beenie. I thought Charley was from Canada. But I guess you know.
TY & GL
 
I Don't Play For Fun & I Don't Kiss My Sister.

Willie, You Said - "If it's just a friendly game you are interested in, that's great".
I Don't Play For Fun & I Don't Kiss My Sister.

BUT I WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN I'LL BE IN INDY AND I'M SURE WE CAN THINK OF SOMETHING.

TY & GL
 
OldHasBeen said:
Willie, You Said - "If it's just a friendly game you are interested in, that's great".
I Don't Play For Fun & I Don't Kiss My Sister.

TY & GL

OHB,
I sort of thought that might be the case. It reminds me of the total scorn that Danny McGoorty and Minnesota Fats had for those nits (like me) that just wanted to play "hee-haw."

I LOVE to play for fun (but I'm going to have to draw the line with my sister); it takes all kinds. I just finished an 8 hour marathon straight pool match with a local top gun (just barely eaked out a victory with a spot), I paid for the table time, won nothing, felt great.

Signed,
Just another sucker
 
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