DCC Rates/Prices

Just got back from DCC and only have a minute, but this venue was just fine for so many reasons. There were more girlfriends and wives there than any other time before. No one got mugged in the parking lot, or had anything stolen from their rooms or otherwise.

In spite of a crazy ice storm, this event went relatively well!

I do have a major problem with them abandoning their promise to schedule the matches, but I'll deal with that another time. :D
 
trustyrusty said:
It's a shame that there are so many - glad I decided not to go this year - folks on here. I had a really good time, and other than the tables being a bit too close to each other and walls, etc., thought the layout wasn't all that bad. Sure, finding some of the tables spread out upstairs (in rooms you had to look into to even know there were matches going on) wasn't perfect...if the spacing were better (plus a bit more spectating room) there wouldn't be nearly as many complaints.

Where I thought the complaints would come from were the TIME issues...draws happening HOURS after what was posted, and players being shown obvious favoritism in regards to showing up on time (sometimes even rescheduling matches for some no-shows). Goes to show what I know.

I would still attend again even if everything was exactly the same next time......


Well although there were complaints I wouldn't rule out going next year as I am sure most of the issues will be worked out. The price of food and such is not a problem as living in jersey many years and attending mets/jets/giants/rangers/Islanders games the prices charged at sporting venue's is always threw the roof. My previous post failed to mention that after attending many of these tournaments its just too much of the same crap and its just getting old. For those who just starting to attend I can understand the excitement and the only way for these shows to improve is thru fan support so thanks to all those who attended.
 
I'm with Watchez, the new venue can and will definitely change to better meet the needs of the event.

I and a professional friend were very fortunate to have a long discussion with the manager of the venue. He stated emphatically that they would love to have the event held there again; that the blizzard/ice storm was responsible for the markedly curtailed services; that they are very willing to change some things to make it better for the fans. He stated that they really didn't know what to expect; but they can definitely change a lot of things IF they know what people like/dislike.

He stated that the casino/hotel has a website and WELCOMES ALL FEEDBACK from the spectators and players.

Discussing these issues here is fun; but sending your thoughts to the management of the casino/hotel is HELPFUL.
 
Williebetmore said:
I'm with Watchez, the new venue can and will definitely change to better meet the needs of the event.

I and a professional friend were very fortunate to have a long discussion with the manager of the venue. He stated emphatically that they would love to have the event held there again; that the blizzard/ice storm was responsible for the markedly curtailed services; that they are very willing to change some things to make it better for the fans. He stated that they really didn't know what to expect; but they can definitely change a lot of things IF they know what people like/dislike.

He stated that the casino/hotel has a website and WELCOMES ALL FEEDBACK from the spectators and players.

Discussing these issues here is fun; but sending your thoughts to the management of the casino/hotel is HELPFUL.

Great insight Willie. I thought the venue was better than the EW. I really enjoyed not having to deal with the dark hallway down vendor row at the EW. With some improvements to the issues others have mentioned, I'm already looking forward to going to the event again next year. This venue has the potential to make the total event better and better each year. The EW was what it was, and I'm now glad they moved the event. Believe, I never thought I would be saying that 3 months ago.
 
trustyrusty said:
It's a shame that there are so many - glad I decided not to go this year - folks on here. I had a really good time, and other than the tables being a bit too close to each other and walls, etc., thought the layout wasn't all that bad. Sure, finding some of the tables spread out upstairs (in rooms you had to look into to even know there were matches going on) wasn't perfect...if the spacing were better (plus a bit more spectating room) there wouldn't be nearly as many complaints.

Where I thought the complaints would come from were the TIME issues...draws happening HOURS after what was posted, and players being shown obvious favoritism in regards to showing up on time (sometimes even rescheduling matches for some no-shows). Goes to show what I know.

I would still attend again even if everything was exactly the same next time......

Trusty Rusty, my issues were as a spectator and not as a player. However, I will share my other half's experience.
My husband also attended and played in the 1P division. The following were his observations while playing.

1. Extreme delays in match posting with table assignments. Over 6 hour delay after players were told 11am show up for match assignments the first day the computers went down.

2. Some players were showing no losses after they had lost at least one match or showing more than one buy-back. A little confusing for some...

3. Table favortism for certain players.

4. Table placement in general. Tables were spaced very close together and some tables were placed so close to a wall that it would be impossible to shoot with being jacked up.

5 Certain players were allowed to be extremely late for their matches without forfeiture. One pro player was observed to be over 45 minutes late for his match.

6. One notable player had to tell the TD why was a match called with him and "John Doe" when "John Doe" had already taken 2 losses, one of which was from playing him in an earlier round. Again confusing to those players left in the tournament.

This year's DCC was not without issues and I think players need some time to digest how they feel about the tournament. Some will be fine and not be upset while others will have opposite reactions.

Scott Lee: It is apparent to me from the tone of your reply that you do not respect others' opinions, while holding great value in yours. It is not naivety that formed my opinion, it was simple economics. Others on the forum managed to disagree with my assessment of concession pricing but without the obvious sarcasm and patronizing tone.

The organizers should have feed-back whether it is positive or negative. Would you rather the event go on and participation levels lower or would you rather have them at least know what people experienced so that they might address those issues that they can. Successful events continue through constant and diligent monitoring and making those adjustments where possible. Why? So people will be happy and come back. Pretty simple concept. DCC is a beloved tournament by players and non-players alike. My issues with the rates of the hotel and the concessions are in line with where we are at in our economy today. The pool industry in the US is in crisis if you weren't already aware. Pool rooms across the country are closing, the professionals can't make a living, hardly anyone is making any money off the sport, cue makers are struggling with sales, etc. Adjustments have to be made by everyone and that includes the casino that hosted this event.
Your "suck it up" comment was inappropiate to the overall tone of my initial post. Responses like yours is what keeps people from commenting in general on this forum, I know it doesn't make me want to continue to contribute when I read posts like yours, it's simply not worth my time. Please try and learn to be respectful of others in the future as you continue to post.
 
Those prices are surely high, but again when you consider how much higher than normal they are and how much of the stuff you are going to be buying, I'll bet you aren't spending much more than an extra 40 or 50 bucks overall.

I know that's not chicken feed, but as someone mentioned it's a once a year thing and wouldn't be enough to put the tournament out of reach financially IMO for most.

It's more the principle of the thing that tends to stick in our craw.

( now on the other hand, if this was enough to put me out of reach financially to attend, fruit in a cooler would present another entirely different problem.)

If I replaced my diet with something healthy like fruit, I'd be watching the DCC from the thrown all week if I attended.

On a side note, I'd love to see them spread the tourney around. The middle of the country, then the west coast, then the east coast.

What keeps me from attending are those giant metal things you have to fly around in to get to the DCC. John Madden and I have at least one thing in common. Unless a plane lands on my head, that's one way I can be pretty sure of that I won't be leaving this life. One foot on terra firma at all times for me! :bow-down:
 
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As a player, I give it a D-. As a spectator, I give it a B+. I played in the 1-P event only, thank god. Arrived Saturday, checked in and enjoyed myself. Then Sunday the 1-P started, players meeting at noon and play to start at 1. Same old BS with scheduling matches. I am third on deck, and they want me to check in every 30 minutes to see what table and when I will play. This goes on all day until about 10 pm they finally tell me I will play at 11 next morning. At 11 am the computer lost all the names, they didn't know who was suppose to play whom. Finally at noon they called the matches. I went to my table and my opponent didn't show. I go to round 2, same thing, check back every 30 minutes to see what time and table. This went on all day again and finally about 10 pm they said I would play the next day at 11 am. I played on the main floor and the tables where to close together. It was so bad that a player on the table straight across from us had to sit on our table to shoot a shot. If that wasn't bad enough, a table next to us wasn't being used. There was 2 guys banging balls around, always in the way and hooping it up like they were in a bar. No courtesy on their part at all.
I am glad I lost; needless to say I didn't buy back. After losing I was relieved and enjoyed the rest of my stay as a spectator. The balcony was fantastic, you could really see great play on a lot of tables without moving.
The cost was pretty high; they wanted to rob you for everything. I will go back next year but as a spectator only. There is no way I am going to put up with scheduling like this again. The new site had nothing to do with that. If you love pool the DCC is the place to be. One more note; the Action Report guys are great. Keep up the good work.
I would also like to thank Greg for putting on this great pool event.
 
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Ken...All I said was that Greg Sullivan has ZERO control over what the casino charges for food and drink...THAT'S ALL. He negotiated room rates only (along with what he needed to do the tournaments). That happens to be true, whether you agree with it or not. I didn't say the charges were reasonable...they're not. Many people brought their own stuff (to keep in a cooler in their room), in anticipation of high prices. The ones that didn't had to pay whatever the casino wanted to charge. That's supply and demand. You charge what you want for a cue...and if someone doesn't agree with it, likely you won't sell the cue to them. What's different here? I sincerely doubt that the time of the DCC has passed. It's gotten bigger and better every year, since it started. This year was a brand new venue, and there were glitches. Hopefully they get fixed before next year.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Ken_4fun said:
And Scott, you arrogant nit, to say Kathy should suck it up or bring their own food is almost laughable.

Like Johnson City, the Stardust, now the DCC, its time has passed.

Ken
 
kath13...You're right...the sarcasm was unnecessary, and I apoligize to you. It's still true that Greg Sullivan has no control over the prices the casino charged for anything other than room rates (and those weren't too great either). The "naive" comment came from your suggestion that Greg could do something about concession pricing...he can't. Nonetheless...I'll keep the sarcasm to a minimum.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

kath13 said:
Scott Lee: It is apparent to me from the tone of your reply that you do not respect others' opinions, while holding great value in yours. It is not naivety that formed my opinion, it was simple economics. Others on the forum managed to disagree with my assessment of concession pricing but without the obvious sarcasm and patronizing tone.

The organizers should have feed-back whether it is positive or negative. Would you rather the event go on and participation levels lower or would you rather have them at least know what people experienced so that they might address those issues that they can. Successful events continue through constant and diligent monitoring and making those adjustments where possible. Why? So people will be happy and come back. Pretty simple concept. DCC is a beloved tournament by players and non-players alike. My issues with the rates of the hotel and the concessions are in line with where we are at in our economy today. The pool industry in the US is in crisis if you weren't already aware. Pool rooms across the country are closing, the professionals can't make a living, hardly anyone is making any money off the sport, cue makers are struggling with sales, etc. Adjustments have to be made by everyone and that includes the casino that hosted this event.
Your "suck it up" comment was inappropiate to the overall tone of my initial post. Responses like yours is what keeps people from commenting in general on this forum, I know it doesn't make me want to continue to contribute when I read posts like yours, it's simply not worth my time. Please try and learn to be respectful of others in the future as you continue to post.
 
I would rather pay $18.00 for the buffet at Harrah's, which although was not outstanding but was acceptable, than the $12.00 Executive West charged for their buffet that I wouldn't feed to my neighbor's dog.

If couldn't get a room at Harrah's or didn't want to pay for a higher than average hotel room, at least with Harrah's there was plenty of parking when you showed up. At Executive West, parking spots were hard to come by.
 
One thing for sure, Greg Sullivan does read this forum, and I know that he is ALWAYS interested in hearing what others might suggest to make the Derby City Classic better in the future. He puts his heart and soul into it each year.

Change is something that is difficult to adjust to. While the Executive West had its faults, there were some good things about it, especially for the vendors. Yes, the food there did suck, and it was always FREEZING COLD. However, having everything under one roof, without ever having to go outside in the FREEZING COLD is nice too! :p

The logistics of any new venue always has to be tweaked for future happenings. I am sure if the DCC is held at this casino next year, there will be some things done to tailor the venue site better to the pool environment. ;)

All in all, the majority of the reviews have been positive. :smile:
 
JAM said:
I agree with you.

I love Greg Sullivan, and the tradition of the Derby City Classic is one which is held in the highest esteem by pool aficionados, pool fans, pool players of ALL caliber, and industry members.

Having a pool tournament at a casino, though, is not good for pool action. Most players who GAMBLE also like to gamble in the casino. Big shock there! :D

I heard Tony Chohan won a big chunk of change on the blackjack table. He did put it back in action, or maybe I should say Tony's roommate put it back in action by playing Flyboy, giving Flyby 10 to 5. Flyboy won. So the casino may have lost in this deal, unless Flyboy shot it back on a casino table game after he won.

I commend Greg Sullivan and think it is wonderful that he found a place to house the Derby City Classic this year. Sometimes change is hard to fade, but I am sure there will be some new changes next year to make the DCC the best that it can possibly be! :smile:
I heard a story kinda like this while I was there. A guy in the action room said he played someone and lost a decent amount of money (seems like it was $10,000 or so) and the person he played lost everybit of it in the casino shortly afterwards. What makes it better is, I think he said they were suppose to play the next night. A good scenario for for this is, when a player gets into action they are taking a chance of losing and if they do then there is also the chance that the casino will get their money in the end and they have no chance of winning it back on the table.
 
$TAKE HOR$E said:
A good scenario for for this is, when a player gets into action they are taking a chance of losing and if they do then there is also the chance that the casino will get their money in the end and they have no chance of winning it back on the table.

FUNNY!! That's why it's called gambling...once you LOSE, you shouldn't expect a chance at getting it back. Guess I just don't get it, and never will....
 
trustyrusty said:
FUNNY!! That's why it's called gambling...once you LOSE, you shouldn't expect a chance at getting it back. Guess I just don't get it, and never will....
you are right, but the point the guy was making was that if the casino was not there they would have played again.
 
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Apology acceped

Scott Lee said:
kath13...You're right...the sarcasm was unnecessary, and I apoligize to you. It's still true that Greg Sullivan has no control over the prices the casino charged for anything other than room rates (and those weren't too great either). The "naive" comment came from your suggestion that Greg could do something about concession pricing...he can't. Nonetheless...I'll keep the sarcasm to a minimum.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com


Scott

I would have expected nothing less from a senior forum member than a graciously given apology which I accept.

In my experience in a corporate environmet, everything is negotiable. The all mighty dollar can be a heavy card when it comes to negotiating with any vendor. I suspect if the numbers are good, the organizers will have some bargaining chips when it comes to setting terms for the future. Of course, I'm aware there are limitations in what Greg can do, however, I still feel that one must voice their opinion so that issues can be addresed if possible. I would rather the organizers know as well as the casino (see Williebetmore response) know how I feel rather than just complain loudly to everyone and noone and take my business elsewhere rather than give them an opportunity to address issues. Problems will not be fixed if they are not known. AZ is an excellent forum in which to express one's opinions with that thought in mind.
 
I, like Ken4Fun, have attended every dcc since its existence. Unfortunately, the venue was an absolute joke compared to years past. Some may like the fancy casino atmosphere, but personally, I really enjoyed the old architecture of Executive west. The prices were absolutely rediculous. The best deal was 1.61 for two small bottled waters that appeared to have been bottled at the casino using the bathroom faucet. I did not play in the tournament, but have heard all the complaints of players that did play. Everything was extremely too close together, the action was down from years past, and I saw several people in the casino 24/7 that would of been gambling on their pool game had it been at Executive West. I hope that Mr. Sullivan makes a wise decision and has the location moved back or at least to something that makes more sense. The joint was in the middle of no where and they took advantage of it by their rediculous prices. If a move is not made, I doubt the DCC will make it another 3 years. :(
 
There was a comment made by a couple of people in this thread about the food and drink prices being in line with other sporting events. I've never been to the U.S. Open Tennis, or to a live football game. I've been to Baseball Games, and the prices were kinda high. However, it was a one day deal. Tennis and Golf may last a few days, but people leave the venue, and have choices of places to eat. Some of us stayed at the property, and some people only go to their room to shower and nap for 4 or 5 hours every couple of days. We are a captive audience, especially with the 24/7 action rooms. In my case, I always have a cooler at any tourney where I stay over night. I have some type of food and drinks in my room. If the prices had been a little more acceptable,{in my own personal opinion} I may have spent a few more bucks on food and drink. I'm sure there were more than just me and my 2 room-mates who felt like this. I was always taught in the business world, you make more money in the long run, by keeping prices down a bit, and making more sales. I personally might have spent and extra $60 to $100 on food and drinks, if I hadn't felt like I was being gouged.
Now, like the manager said, they had no idea what to expect. Maybe the pricing on food, at least in the snack bars, could be addressed for the future too. Overall, I still enjoyed the event, and will continue to attend every year I possibly can. My thanks to Greg and his staff for at least making an effort to keep this event going.
 
satman said:
There was a comment made by a couple of people in this thread about the food and drink prices being in line with other sporting events. I've never been to the U.S. Open Tennis, or to a live football game. I've been to Baseball Games, and the prices were kinda high. However, it was a one day deal. Tennis and Golf may last a few days, but people leave the venue, and have choices of places to eat. Some of us stayed at the property, and some people only go to their room to shower and nap for 4 or 5 hours every couple of days. We are a captive audience, especially with the 24/7 action rooms. In my case, I always have a cooler at any tourney where I stay over night. I have some type of food and drinks in my room. If the prices had been a little more acceptable,{in my own personal opinion} I may have spent a few more bucks on food and drink. I'm sure there were more than just me and my 2 room-mates who felt like this. I was always taught in the business world, you make more money in the long run, by keeping prices down a bit, and making more sales. I personally might have spent and extra $60 to $100 on food and drinks, if I hadn't felt like I was being gouged.
Now, like the manager said, they had no idea what to expect. Maybe the pricing on food, at least in the snack bars, could be addressed for the future too. Overall, I still enjoyed the event, and will continue to attend every year I possibly can. My thanks to Greg and his staff for at least making an effort to keep this event going.

other than the freak winter storm, being a "captive audience" is solely by choice. I left the property a couple of times. It's true that there wasn't really anything really close to have alot of choices, but 10-15 min. each way (again, this was REALLY slowed by weather) and you had pretty much endless possibilities. I've been to a week-long event not far from this one (PGA Championship when it was held at Valhalla - near Louisville)..prices were a tad higher, and the typical day (for me) started just after dawn and ended at dusk...so, not 24 hours, but not a 2-3 hour ball game either. What I'm trying to say is, the pricing wasn't that outta line, and the choice to stay onsite, and hafta see what was going on 24 hours a day was just that; a choice...
 
But thats the whole point, staying there trying to catch it all. But if you're playing, at least 2 days of the bank event, I couldn't leave. On Sunday, I came down at 9 to hit some balls and get woke up. Draw was to be at 11am I think. Computer malfunctions, and I sat all day waiting, scared to go back to my room to even rest a while. I'm not a top player, and if they called my match, and I was late, I can assure you I'd get a forfeit. I had a truck there, and the option to leave a couple of times, but some of the people there didn't.
 
satman said:
But thats the whole point, staying there trying to catch it all. But if you're playing, at least 2 days of the bank event, I couldn't leave. On Sunday, I came down at 9 to hit some balls and get woke up. Draw was to be at 11am I think. Computer malfunctions, and I sat all day waiting, scared to go back to my room to even rest a while. I'm not a top player, and if they called my match, and I was late, I can assure you I'd get a forfeit. I had a truck there, and the option to leave a couple of times, but some of the people there didn't.

Ahh, I hear ya on the draw crap that was happening.....hours after the expected time they talk about drawing, and still doesn't happen for another hour! That was absolutely BOGUS!! Have your name changed to (insert famous player here) and not only will there not be a forfeit, automatic reschedule to a more convenient for you...:rolleyes:

Noticed the Muncie IN under your name, been there MANY times...wife went to Anderson University just down the road from ya. Wish she'da gone to Ball State...funner school and town IMO. ;) :cool:
 
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