Dcc Update

Dale,

If this is your personal opinion I can accept what you are sharing.

If it is from a business reference article or resource, please share that info.

I am guessing Scott's opinion is gathered from visiting about 3 or 4 metro pool rooms a month all over the midwest and eastern seaboard.

Tom


pdcue said:
Wrong again - I won't quibble over whether or not he was refering to only Columbus, but how far out of line are you really?

Plenty of rooms continue to provide exactly what their customers
want - and are still dying a slow, or fast, death.

How can you possibly not be aware of this?
Do you really think running a pool room is that simple?

Dale
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Sweet Marissa said:
Why does disagreeing have to equal arguing? :(
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Because this is the INTERNET!

:/

I'm hoping to make it for my first DCC this year. My big issue is, of the few folks I do know who would be going, I don't know any of them well enough, or am good enough friends with them, that I can count on hanging out with them a good part of the time; and I hate going to things like this and basically being on my own. :(
 
Russ Chewning said:
Bullsh!!te.

Too many poolrooms expect they can get by catering to "players". That is no longer true not due to nonsmoking laws, but due to the video game/entertainment culture.

Russ
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'Scuze me Russ - who mentioned smoking??

And, speaking of BS, why don't you try getting some FACTS
once in a while - you might start by doing some research on
revenues of pool rooms around the country.

I've noticed you are very quick to attack anyone who disagrees with
your uninformed opinions - proof positive that you really are
a 'C player' - tho who knows about the C part?

If you ever get to the point where you know a small fraction
of what I do about the BUSINESS of pool - maybe we can have
an intelligent conversation

Dale<not holding my breath>

BTW - everyone and his dog knows catering to 'players' hasn't been
a viable approach since 1962
 
Sweet Marissa said:
Why does disagreeing have to equal arguing? :(
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That would be because an argument is a discussion between
two parties who hold opposing viewpoints.

Perhaps you are thinking of a quarrell.

Dale<trying to help>
 
Tom In Cincy said:
Dale,

If this is your personal opinion I can accept what you are sharing.

If it is from a business reference article or resource, please share that info.

I am guessing Scott's opinion is gathered from visiting about 3 or 4 metro pool rooms a month all over the midwest and eastern seaboard.

Tom
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I'm not inclinded to tell my life story - but I do have firsthand
info from several people in the pool room biz - and many contacts with
people in several regions, many in other aspects of billiards.

There are, in fact, exceptions aplenty. but overall,
the prognosious is not good - table sales, cue sales, but most
prevalently, room revenues. All this from people who are no less
talented, creative, ambitious and hard working than they were
in 1999 when they were 'livin' large' - today they're fading fast.

Much info is available to the general public if one cares to look for it.

I'm aware of Mr Lee's travels - that was one reason I was
stunned by his reply?

Do you question whether pool is in serious decline?

Dale
 
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Greg/Diamond said:
The contrac's not signed, but it's 90% that the next DCC will be held at Caesars Indiana. I had hoped to have a signed contrac before posting, but things like this always take longer than I they should.

I'm not going into all the pros and cons about the move at this time, but I will later. Just wanted to keep everyone as informed as possible. If this go's the way I think, this move may be just what the DCC needed............Please save comments yey or nay till the inks dry and I get a chance to tell you the whole story....thanks, Greg Sullivan
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I think this is GREAT! I too will be getting a room and meals compt. I was at Derby City this year for the whole event. I spent around $1,500 or so and didn't bet on anything. It will be like a $1,500 FREEROLL for me at the casino this DDC!:D
 
pdcue said:
That would be because an argument is a discussion between
two parties who hold opposing viewpoints.

Perhaps you are thinking of a quarrell.

Dale<trying to help>
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Actually, a discussion of opposing viewpoints is just that: a discussion. It doesn't have to be an argument.

I talk about religion and politics all the time without getting into an argument. It's just a sharing of opinions.
 
ScottW said:
I'm hoping to make it for my first DCC this year. My big issue is, of the few folks I do know who would be going, I don't know any of them well enough, or am good enough friends with them, that I can count on hanging out with them a good part of the time; and I hate going to things like this and basically being on my own. :(
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I go by myself to tournaments all the time. You will meet people the more you go. Also, there is an AZ/IP room to put a face to the (user)names you talk to on the forums.
 
Once more with feeling

Sweet Marissa said:
Actually, a discussion of opposing viewpoints is just that: a discussion. It doesn't have to be an argument.

I talk about religion and politics all the time without getting into an argument. It's just a sharing of opinions.
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Sweet,

I think you are making the all to common mistake of
saying argument when you mean quarrell

Merriam-Webster thinks an argument is a discussion.

Dale<trying to be quarrell free>

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/argument

Main Entry: ar?gu?ment

2 a: a reason given in proof or rebuttal
b: discourse intended to persuade

3 a: the act or process of arguing : argumentation<<<<<<<

b: a coherent series of statements leading from a premise to a conclusion


.......................................................................

argumentation

1 : the act or process of forming reasons and of drawing conclusions and
applying them to a case in discussion<<<<<<<+++++>>>>>>>

2 : debate, discussion

..............................................................................
Main Entry: 2 quarrel

2 : a usually verbal conflict between antagonists : altercation
synonyms quarrel, wrangle, altercation, squabble mean a noisy dispute usually
marked by anger.

quarrel implies heated verbal contention, stressing strained or severed relations
which may persist beyond the contention <a quarrel nearly destroyed the relationship>.
 
Dcc

I'm just glad that it looks like the DCC will happen again at all. All the hard work and effort is greatly appreciated. Thank You! I'm looking forward to going. Just let me know where and when to make my room reservations.
 
ScottW said:
Because this is the INTERNET!

:/

I'm hoping to make it for my first DCC this year. My big issue is, of the few folks I do know who would be going, I don't know any of them well enough, or am good enough friends with them, that I can count on hanging out with them a good part of the time; and I hate going to things like this and basically being on my own. :(
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The very best thing about going to the DCC is all the people you meet -- and that's saying something, because the talent is fantastic, the action is fantastic, the top-quality competition is nearly 24-7 and you are right in the middle of it all. It is one of the legendary events in pool -- hopefully for many more years. But come while you can for sure!!
 
corvette1340 said:
lol, touche'.

edit: get mad at what? Im just offering to share a room, not hook up. Jeez, get your mind out of the gutter.
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Hey Vette,

Marissa has to be careful. I know that she has gotten in trouble once already for sleeping on someone's floor at a tournament....:D :D :D
 
The reasons for that room closing were shown in limited detail in that article. Running a 30,000 sq. ft. facility profitably takes a lot more than people understand. There is an inference from some folks who know Jimmy, that he just tried to go too big. It's obvious, from another thread, that there are people waiting in the wings to take the place of Gametime. Doubtful that they would risk that if the potential pool business wasn't there, in that market area.

BTW, the only poolroom here in Battle Creek took out tables, and added bar space, because the owner cares more about being in the bar biz, than the pool biz. That's certainly his prerogative. The PLAYERS room in my area was 20 miles west, in Kalamazoo (Blackbird Billiards), and people flocked there, for many reasons. The owner, a friend of mine, was forced out of business, when the strip mall was sold to a new owner, who wants to sell the property to Lowe's...so they raised the rents on all the businesses to the point where ALL either closed, or moved. On another note, I spend 40+ weeks a year, on the road, traveling coast to coast. So I do get to see a LOT of poolrooms...good ones and poorly run ones.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

chris_williams said:
He used to have waiting lists also. I guess your just lucky in battle creek.
http://www.azbilliards.com/2000storya.cfm?storynum=5318
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Tom...Don't forget the other areas...Rocky MT states, from ND & MT to AZ & NM; and the west coast, from San Diego to Seattle! :D But you're correct...my opinions are based on my own personal experience all over the country...and not just in metro areas either! :D

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Tom In Cincy said:
I am guessing Scott's opinion is gathered from visiting about 3 or 4 metro pool rooms a month all over the midwest and eastern seaboard.

Tom
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Dale...Don't let your blood pressure get to you. You are expressing an OPINION (based on your knowledge, experience, and apparently some other 'acquaintances' in the pool biz). So is Russ, and so am I. Until you travel the entire country, MOST of the time, year after year, you cannot simply discount my opinions as worthless or incorrect. They are based on seeing for myself, countless dozens of poolrooms, of all sizes, all over the country. Pool is not the 'doom & gloom' you and some others wish to project.

Is pool in a down cycle right now? Sure...so is every other business you can name. The economy is in the toilet, with $4 gas, and $100 hotel rooms. However there are bright spots too! ALL of the major amateur pool leagues (APA, VNEA & BCAPL) are thriving, and increasing membership every year. Regional tours like Viking, Joss, Pechaur, Tiger, and others are not suffering. They consistently have 60-100 players that show up for their events, wherever they are held in the country. I can't speak for all table manufacturers, but Diamond can't even keep up with the demand for their products! Everybody and their dog is a cuemaker these days. Sales of equipment to produce custom cues are on the upswing (not an opinion, but a fact, told to me by the people who sell them). There is a glut on the market...that's why cue sales are down slightly overall.

You can certainly disagree (which is what intelligent discussion is all about)...but leave try leaving the personal side of your remarks out it.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

pdcue said:
If you ever get to the point where you know a small fraction
of what I do about the BUSINESS of pool - maybe we can have
an intelligent conversation

Dale<not holding my breath>

BTW - everyone and his dog knows catering to 'players' hasn't been
a viable approach since 1962
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Scott Lee said:
Dale...Don't let your blood pressure get to you. You are expressing an OPINION (based on your knowledge, experience, and apparently some other 'acquaintances' in the pool biz). So is Russ, and so am I. Until you travel the entire country, MOST of the time, year after year, you cannot simply discount my opinions as worthless or incorrect. They are based on seeing for myself, countless dozens of poolrooms, of all sizes, all over the country. Pool is not the 'doom & gloom' you and some others wish to project.

Is pool in a down cycle right now? Sure...so is every other business you can name. The economy is in the toilet, with $4 gas, and $100 hotel rooms. However there are bright spots too! ALL of the major amateur pool leagues (APA, VNEA & BCAPL) are thriving, and increasing membership every year. Regional tours like Viking, Joss, Pechaur, Tiger, and others are not suffering. They consistently have 60-100 players that show up for their events, wherever they are held in the country. I can't speak for all table manufacturers, but Diamond can't even keep up with the demand for their products! Everybody and their dog is a cuemaker these days. Sales of equipment to produce custom cues are on the upswing (not an opinion, but a fact, told to me by the people who sell them). There is a glut on the market...that's why cue sales are down slightly overall.

You can certainly disagree (which is what intelligent discussion is all about)...but leave try leaving the personal side of your remarks out it.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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Ok Scott - I'll put it in little baby steps for you.

First disclaimer. I personally consider Leauges and Tours as something other than
the mainstream pool biz. Actually, the bar leagues are
great for taverns, but have hurt traditional poolhalls and rooms
with bars immensely. Players who once upon a time were the backbone
of pool rooms, now rarely ever go in one.

Tournaments may well get lots of people in the door - but, in general,
make you little or no money.

Diamond is one table mfg - how is the table mfg segment, overall doing?

Cue sales are down slightly? slightly?? From when last year, last month?
Can we get a fact?

Your 'golly gee, Batman - things are tough all over'
rationalization doesn't change the fact that down is down.

As for travelling 'all over the country' - that makes you a tourist, not
an expert - I drive on highways, I don't think I can build one.

How many room owners share details of their P/L info with you?
I'm guessing zero.

Dale

ps: Since you seem inclined to give advice on posting, here's some
for you - try inserting some reality into yours.
 
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