Dennis Orcollo vs Ko Pin Yi match statement by John French

We just don't know...

HoldemRw said:
This is the question I think people really want to know because without the answer to this leaves people confused. Ive heard several different stories none which make any sense.
1. I heard Ko was playing with his own cash. Which dont add up cause if cash was his and they were playing for 20k. If he wins that match he would have 40k of his own cash to stake himself at DCC.
2. I heard his backer from phillipines was backing. Which also don't add up especially now knowing 100% he was in talks with oppenents stakehorse before match was over.
So who was staking KO and how much was match really for??

Also I think Frenchy is taking brunt of this when some if not alot of blame should go to KO brothers. If Ko was playing with his own cash he was basically admitting defeat vs dennis before match was over. If he was already in talks with Frenchy could only mean 2 things to me.
1. He knew he was outmatched and about to lose a good chunk of his stake money for DCC and was basically looking for Backer now. But we know now it was mentioned few months earlier so that probably wasnt the case.
2. If he did have a backer in phillipines for match vs dennis. Then that would scare the heck out of me to back him. Somebody gives u supposedly 20k to play and your already cutting him out and working deal with oppenents backer before match is over is very very bad etiquette IMO

I have heard frenchy is honest as they come and this was probably misunderstanding. I am completely biased on this as I did not have 1 cent on the match but I am a frequent bettor in action room here and this match caused a crap storm in action room and left a very bad taste in the mouths of some of AZ best pool fans and bettors. I hope this gets cleared up and everything was on the up and up but I would not be surprised at all if the live stream match between Dennis and SVB ratings drop significantly because of that match

I hope not and hope it gets double ratings.
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There could be any number of reasons as to what occurred..

Ko's backer could've not like how things were going and said something to the effect of, hey if you lose, I'm going home, I ain't backing you for DCC...

That could've affected his mind and his play on the last day...

Then he says shit, what am I going to do? I'll ask his backer if he's interested in backing me.

We can speculate all day long and it means nothing...

Jaden
 
Jaden said:
There could be any number of reasons as to what occurred..

Ko's backer could've not like how things were going and said something to the effect of, hey if you lose, I'm going home, I ain't backing you for DCC...

That could've affected his mind and his play on the last day...

Then he says shit, what am I going to do? I'll ask his backer if he's interested in backing me.

We can speculate all day long and it means nothing...

Jaden
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Exactly I have heard several stories but untill the full true story comes out its just speculation. I was just saying that Frenchy made post explaining most of what happened but he left out few important parts in there.

Also if what u say is true isnt that still bad etiquette from Ko I mean sure alot of backers have threatened to pull away if their horse took a bad loss. But if Ko wins his backer obviously isnt going pull away then. So if talks were in middle of the Match Ko must have thought he wasnt going to win. If he did he would have played till the end and after defeat looked for a backer. Why look for a backer when u got 20k up u can win before the match is over. Dont make sense to me
 
Might be bad etiquette but completely understandable...

HoldemRw said:
Exactly I have heard several stories but untill the full true story comes out its just speculation. I was just saying that Frenchy made post explaining most of what happened but he left out few important parts in there.

Also if what u say is true isnt that still bad etiquette from Ko I mean sure alot of backers have threatened to pull away if their horse took a bad loss. But if Ko wins his backer obviously isnt going pull away then. So if talks were in middle of the Match Ko must have thought he wasnt going to win. If he did he would have played till the end and after defeat looked for a backer. Why look for a backer when u got 20k up u can win before the match is over. Dont make sense to me
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It should be understandable even if it could be considered bad etiquette...

Shit, you're in a foreign country, your livelihood depends on being able to stay and play several events and now is in jeopardy?

You do what you feel you have to. Besides etiquette is cultural, not universal...

Jaden
 
Jaden said:
It should be understandable even if it could be considered bad etiquette...

Shit, you're in a foreign country, your livelihood depends on being able to stay and play several events and now is in jeopardy?

You do what you feel you have to. Besides etiquette is cultural, not universal...

Jaden
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The only reason I dont think its understandable is because it was done before match was over. To me thats admitting defeat cause if u feel ur going to win ur current backer isnt going anywhere if u just won him 20k haha. If u dont think ur going to win u ask other backer for cash. Also if he does win and its his cash he wouldnt need a backer at all. 40k to 1 of best players in the world should be more than enough to get u started.

Again I am not knocking anybody especially Frenchy. I am just asking the questions everybody is wondering about. If u dont believe me look in the action rokm threads and u will see alot of guys are wondering. Some of them had thousands of dollars on the match and felt decieved. I dont think its to much to ask few questions IMO.
Jaden said:
It should be understandable even if it could be considered bad etiquette...

Shit, you're in a foreign country, your livelihood depends on being able to stay and play several events and now is in jeopardy?

You do what you feel you have to. Besides etiquette is cultural, not universal...

Jaden
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I wouldn't say admitting defeat...

HoldemRw said:
The only reason I dont think its understandable is because it was done before match was over. To me thats admitting defeat cause if u feel ur going to win ur current backer isnt going anywhere if u just won him 20k haha. If u dont think ur going to win u ask other backer for cash. Also if he does win and its his cash he wouldnt need a backer at all. 40k to 1 of best players in the world should be more than enough to get u started.

Again I am not knocking anybody especially Frenchy. I am just asking the questions everybody is wondering about. If u dont believe me look in the action rokm threads and u will see alot of guys are wondering. Some of them had thousands of dollars on the match and felt decieved. I dont think its to much to ask few questions IMO.
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If all you can think about is what you're going to do if you lose, then you can't concentrate, I would see it as more of giving himself a safety net to relax a little and focus on what he has to do.

Jaden
 
Jaden said:
If all you can think about is what you're going to do if you lose, then you can't concentrate, I would see it as more of giving himself a safety net to relax a little and focus on what he has to do.

Jaden
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Maybe that is true and I hope it is. But when ur suppose to be the best in the WORLD u should never feel like ur going to lose. Also what happens if the deal is struck before match is over and Ko woulda come back and won. Where does that leave his current backer

I will say if I was the backer from phillipines and this is what happened I woulda pulled my cash out in the middle of the match. If Ko was planning on leaving anyways why would I as a backer sit around waste 20k when ur leaving no matter what.
Jaden said:
If all you can think about is what you're going to do if you lose, then you can't concentrate, I would see it as more of giving himself a safety net to relax a little and focus on what he has to do.

Jaden
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HoldemRw said:
... 40k to 1 of best players in the world should be more than enough to get u started. ...
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The Ko/Orcollo match was supposed to be $20,000 "in the middle," i.e., $10,000 from each side.

And someone normally quite knowledgeable about such things has reported that it was actually much less than that. [Of course, he could have received mistaken information.]
 
Jaden said:
There could be any number of reasons as to what occurred..

Ko's backer could've not like how things were going and said something to the effect of, hey if you lose, I'm going home, I ain't backing you for DCC...

That could've affected his mind and his play on the last day...

Then he says shit, what am I going to do? I'll ask his backer if he's interested in backing me.

We can speculate all day long and it means nothing...

Jaden
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What backer in his right mind would threaten his horse during a match he could still win?
Totally inappropriate for Ko and company to approach opponent's backer during the match. Equally bad for backer to even talk to them until match over. Now they've made a bed they cannot unmake. Pool's reputation is alive and well!
 
AtLarge said:
The Ko/Orcollo match was supposed to be $20,000 "in the middle," i.e., $10,000 from each side.

And someone normally quite knowledgeable about such things has reported that it was actually much less than that. [Of course, he could have received mistaken information.]
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Exactly thats why I agree. thats why I asked those 2 questions. How much was match really for? And who was backing Ko. Actually another member asked those questions also before me I was just hoping someone would tell the exact details to make the people who felt the match was rigged feel better. Cause lets be honest at least roughly 60% of stream watchers probably had a bet on that match of some sort. Maybe small bet maybe a big bet. Either way when 50 to 60% of ur paying viewers feel cheated its not good for the sport. And this sport cannot afford to lose any potential viewers or supporters of any kind. In fact they need more supporters

Again I not saying this was a rigged match let me be clear on that. I am just saying it looked bad for the sport and untill everything is fully disclosed nobody will fully understand.
 
HoldemRw said:
This is the question I think people really want to know because without the answer to this leaves people confused. Ive heard several different stories none which make any sense.
1. I heard Ko was playing with his own cash. Which dont add up cause if cash was his and they were playing for 20k. If he wins that match he would have 40k of his own cash to stake himself at DCC.
2. I heard his backer from phillipines was backing. Which also don't add up especially now knowing 100% he was in talks with oppenents stakehorse before match was over.
So who was staking KO and how much was match really for??

Also I think Frenchy is taking brunt of this when some if not alot of blame should go to KO brothers. If Ko was playing with his own cash he was basically admitting defeat vs dennis before match was over. If he was already in talks with Frenchy could only mean 2 things to me.
1. He knew he was outmatched and about to lose a good chunk of his stake money for DCC and was basically looking for Backer now. But we know now it was mentioned few months earlier so that probably wasnt the case.
2. If he did have a backer in phillipines for match vs dennis. Then that would scare the heck out of me to back him. Somebody gives u supposedly 20k to play and your already cutting him out and working deal with oppenents backer before match is over is very very bad etiquette IMO

I have heard frenchy is honest as they come and this was probably misunderstanding. I am completely biased on this as I did not have 1 cent on the match but I am a frequent bettor in action room here and this match caused a crap storm in action room and left a very bad taste in the mouths of some of AZ best pool fans and bettors. I hope this gets cleared up and everything was on the up and up but I would not be surprised at all if the live stream match between Dennis and SVB ratings drop significantly because of that match

I hope not and hope it gets double ratings.
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KO is from Taiwan, don't you mean his backer from Taiwan and not Phillipines
 
cueenvy said:
Funny most of the guys knocking Mr. French wouldn't bet water is wet.
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So you are cool with betting on something that is not what its supposed be and possibly with both guys playing for the same backer? I bet they love you in the pool room.
 
Pure internet keyboard speculation:

Here is what I think went down after watching the match, and reading French's statement, and a bunch of other posts here. French set up an exhibition match between Ko and Dennis. Winner gets a small amount, maybe 2500. Loser gets nothing, or maybe 500. French told both players this from day 1.

French advertises it as a 10k per man true gambling match.

Both Ko and Dennis were smiling and looked nonchalant throughout the match. Like it was an exhibition.
 
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AtLarge said:
The Ko/Orcollo match was supposed to be $20,000 "in the middle," i.e., $10,000 from each side.

And someone normally quite knowledgeable about such things has reported that it was actually much less than that. [Of course, he could have received mistaken information.]
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I was told the same thing from multiple people who I trust that were there in attendance the entire time.

This definitely stinks on multiple fronts no matter how many people come out & vouch for the guy. When you have the wannabe godfather of pool aka the ultimate stooge Finnegan vouching for your credibility, I already know to raise the flags of caution.
 
If other streamers are doing the same thing (advertising big amounts in the middle and it's really 1/8 of that for fun, fun), they better wake up fast a be truthful before all the betters (60% of PPV) are gone...and so is the steamer. There are plenty of other things safer than pool to bet on. Johnnyt
 
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I hope this is all true. Ive heard great things about John but I am still little baffled as to why nobody still knows the backer of Ko or the amount. I hear mr. French is as standup as they come and just wants to please the pool fans. But still no answers to the 2 most important questions of that match to the streamers who felt like that match was not on the up and up

Who backed Ko?
How much was match really for?

Iam sure there is a easy explanation but untill its known to all who paid to watch and bet on the side action people arent going to understand.
 
For the next stream, do everyone a solid favor and stay out of the booth. No one wants to hear your commentary. It ruins the whole event.
If you care about making money on the PPV, stay out of the booth and off the mic.
 
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